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Giuliani: Imam behind NYC mosque plan puts ‘confrontation’ first
thehill.com ^ | Sept. 12, 2010 | Ben Geman

Posted on 09/12/2010 11:27:19 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) on Sunday strongly criticized Feisal Abdul Rauf, the imam seeking to build an Islamic community center and mosque near Ground Zero.

“He seems by his actions to be more interested in confrontation than in healing,” Giuliani said on NBC’s "Meet the Press."

The former mayor alleged that the plan is hurtful to the vast majority of family members of victims of the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks.

Giuliani also said the imam has not been transparent about the project’s financing, and cited Rauf’s 2001 comment on CBS’s 60 Minutes that “United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.”

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1 posted on 09/12/2010 11:27:21 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
This iman is a terrorist. And if he dares to use violence to achieve his goals, then he must be met with an in kind response.

If islam really is a "religion of peace" then such people should behave peacefully.

2 posted on 09/12/2010 11:32:07 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
por supuesto
3 posted on 09/12/2010 11:33:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I like Giuliani, thought not for office, but I wish people would start calling this mosque what it really is.

It's a symbol of CONQUEST and nothing else...it will become the Mecca West in the eyes of moolimbs around the World.

4 posted on 09/12/2010 11:36:18 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (People I know have papers for their mongrels.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
That would be "confrontation" and "intercalation" - for an ABOMINATION.

" In Islam, every structure linked to the faith and its rituals has a precise function and character.
A mosque is a one-story gallery built around an atrium with a mihrab (a niche pointing to Mecca)
and one, or in the case of Shiites two, minarets.
This 13-story multifunctional structure couldn't be any of the above.
The groups fighting for the project know this; this is why they sometimes call it an Islamic cultural center.
But there is no such thing as an Islamic culture.
The Prophet imposed his rule on parts of Arabia through a series of ghazvas, or razzias (the origin of the English word "raid").

The ghazva was designed to terrorize the infidels, convince them that their civilization was doomed and force them to submit
to Islamic rule. Those who participated in the ghazva were known as the ghazis, or raiders.
After each ghazva, the Prophet ordered the creation of a rabat -- or a point of contact at the heart of the infidel territory raided.
The rabat consisted of an area for prayer, a section for the raiders to eat and rest and facilities to train and prepare
for future razzias. Later Muslim rulers used the tactic of ghazva to conquer territory in the Persian and Byzantine empires.
After each raid, they built a rabat to prepare for the next razzia.

It is no coincidence that Islamists routinely use the term ghazva to describe the 9/11 attacks against New York and Washington.
The terrorists who carried out the attack are referred to as ghazis or shahids (martyrs).
Thus, building a rabat close to Ground Zero would be in accordance with a tradition started by the Prophet.
To all those who believe and hope that the 9/11 ghazva would lead to the destruction of the American "Great Satan,"
this would be of great symbolic value."


“Army Major (Hasan) Played Role in Presidential (Obama) Transition”

5 posted on 09/12/2010 11:36:44 AM PDT by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It would be easier to believe that WTC was attacked by extremists that moderate muslims don’t support, if it weren’t for the fact that moderates are now trying to build a victory mosque on the site that their extremist brethern so considerately cleared for them.


6 posted on 09/12/2010 11:37:54 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Instead of building a grand mosque at Ground Zero, let's build a Ground Zero at their Grand Mosque.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

That is a very good point!


7 posted on 09/12/2010 11:40:35 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Our annual Koran burning party was a blast last night. I wore a my homemade burqa and hubby wore a genuine PLO scarf. Bacon grease is helpful in burning trash, and nothing cooks a Koran like a Big Green Egg.


8 posted on 09/12/2010 11:42:32 AM PDT by bukkdems
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To: Free ThinkerNY

You know you’re in trouble when a “moderate”, as the liberals call him, wants to kill you and destroy your government and your country.


9 posted on 09/12/2010 11:49:08 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Algore is a politician and a con artist. He is NOT a scientist.)
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To: pnh102
If islam really is a "religion of peace"

Islam "is" a religion of peace should really be phrased Islam "will be" a religion of peace - for as soon as all the world is under the dominion of sharia law, and those opposing islam are subdued, there will then be peace!

Peace is the ultimate goal of all totalitarian factions. Getting there by any means - deceit and violence included - is noble to the outcome!

10 posted on 09/12/2010 11:56:54 AM PDT by Tellurian
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.”

Terror Alert!

11 posted on 09/12/2010 12:02:20 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (If Obama was the answer---that must have been one stupid question.)
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To: Tellurian
... for as soon as all the world is under the dominion of sharia law, and those opposing islam are subdued, there will then be peace!

Even that I find hard to believe, because the biggest killer of muslims in muslim countries is other muslims. There are nasty sectarian conflicts within islam in countries that are solely islamic.

12 posted on 09/12/2010 12:04:31 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"Giuliani: Imam behind NYC mosque plan puts ‘confrontation’ first"

As a member of the "religion of perpetual outrage" the imam is doing what all good muslims do, including obama...scream, shout, threaten, and attack when they don't get their way.

The MSM is confusing this fool imam of being an American elected official or something, giving way too much credence to his utterings and threats. Maybe be scares the panty-wearing media, maybe he scares obama, but the American people are standing fast on what is left of their country in fighting back.

No one in authority is doing a damn thing but offereing lip service and appeasing these ragheaded bastards, so someone has got to do it.

Confontation is the modus operandi of muslim terrorists, always has been.

Jeff Dunham, the ventriloquist, has a puppet named "Achmed the dead terrorist" which uses humor to illustrate their "I keeel you" attitude. After all, good humor must always have a thread of truth to really be funny.

FOX news ran a special about the 9/11 hijackings the other night, and they played a cockpit recording of Flight 96, in which the terrorists in the cockpit were telling everyone to calm down and take a seat and they would be going back to the airport.

They did this after it was apparent that there was a group of Americans in the back headed to the cockpit to retake the plane. They were scared when someone stood up to them, and they were lying to the passengers.

Saddam Hussein was a perfect example of the "brave" muslim...shooting his gun in the air and bragging, until we called his bluff. His "brave" soldiers were surrendering to CNN crews in the desert and Hussein hid in a gopher hole.

They are quick to threaten and kill when the odds are in their favor, but contrary to popular belief, the odds in America are NOT in their favor...not outside the Washington/New York area anyway.

I hear that obama quoted Lincoln in one of his speeches, but he should remember this quote from Lincoln, as it is rapidly coming true.

"You can fool some of the people, all of the time; you can fool all of the people, some of the time; but you cannot fool all of the people, all of the time."

It's over, obama...put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.

BHO Toast


13 posted on 09/12/2010 12:14:42 PM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: FrankR

bump


14 posted on 09/12/2010 12:18:36 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: A_perfect_lady

According to HLN-CNN, services / prayers are already being held at the victory mosque location. It’s a done deal, they just want to “guild the lily”.


15 posted on 09/12/2010 12:21:14 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The Imam has been jetting to the Middle East, at taxpayer expense, soliciting big donations from Arab oil sheiks. This is a money scam.


16 posted on 09/12/2010 12:35:07 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Diogenesis

Thank you.


17 posted on 09/12/2010 1:40:25 PM PDT by Seven plus One
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To: Tellurian

Muslims murder muslims every week around the world. There will never be peace when muslims are involved. It is against their religion.


18 posted on 09/12/2010 1:44:52 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (Proud Infidel)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“He seems by his actions to be more interested in confrontation than in healing,” Giuliani said on NBC’s "Meet the Press."


...salutes His Honor. And is glad someone
finally said it. He didn't think he was
ever going to get out of those tights.

19 posted on 09/12/2010 2:11:51 PM PDT by Stultis (Democrats. Still devoted to the three S's: Slavery, Segregation and Socialism.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The imam is one of the perpetually aggrieved class. He is constantly looking for something to be offended by. It is this kind of person who cannot - and will not - ever think through his actions and see that they could actually offend the sensibilities of someone else.

It’s also possible he’s just spoiling for a fight. That he’s trying to provoke people to the point where they attack him so he can play the victim card.


20 posted on 09/12/2010 2:37:18 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility ("In a time of universal deciet, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - Orwell)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
Thanks Free ThinkerNY.
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) on Sunday strongly criticized Feisal Abdul Rauf, the imam seeking to build an Islamic community center and mosque near Ground Zero. "He seems by his actions to be more interested in confrontation than in healing," Giuliani said on NBC's "Meet the Press." The former mayor alleged that the plan is hurtful to the vast majority of family members of victims of the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks. Giuliani also said the imam has not been transparent about the project's financing, and cited Rauf's 2001 comment on CBS's 60 Minutes that "United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."

21 posted on 09/12/2010 2:49:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Geert Wilders and some others have mentioned a principle of reciprocity must be applied when dealing with totalitarian islam. The free world must make a stand in New York. NO mosque there or anywhere in the West until there is a church in Mecca where Christians freely worship without harassment. No mosque in New York until Christians can live in freedom and equality in muslim dominated countries. No mosque in New York or anywhere else in the free world until a Christian living in a muslim country does not have to report his religion on his identity card so that he can be attacked with impunity, and discriminated against. No mosque in New York until women are no longer stoned to death in muslim countries for imagined offenses. No mosque in New York until African boys and girls are no longer kidnapped and enslaved by muslim slave traders. No mosque in New York until Hagia Sofia and every other church desecrated by muslim totalitarians has been returned to its rightful Christian owners. SET MY PEOPLE FREE!
Stop using the false label of tolerance as a cover for cultural suicide!
22 posted on 09/12/2010 3:31:22 PM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Brad from Tennessee

We wish it were a money scam. Rauf is not Jesse Jackson in drag. He actually does want to install sharia and take over the US through the Islamic chosen one, aka, Barack Hussein Obama.

We can give him all the money in the world, and he’ll still be back to build that mosque (which is not really a mosque, but a “rabat,” an administrative and cultic building that Muslims build on conquered territory).


23 posted on 09/12/2010 3:31:24 PM PDT by livius
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To: Las Vegas Ron

So - what is it you like about the man and admire, But not for office? Have you ever heard Him speak ? He is a leader.. Has faults, but proven leader.


24 posted on 09/12/2010 4:20:58 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: reefdiver
So - what is it you like about the man and admire, But not for office? Have you ever heard Him speak? He is a leader.. Has faults, but proven leader.

Oh c'mon FRiend, he's a likable guy, his speech at the 2004 RNC convention was out of the park, right up there withe Zell Millers. I like Newt, Huckabee and Morris too for their POINT OF VIEW, though I would not get behind them as a leader or POTUS.

Say what you will about Rudy but he did a good job in NY City, that I agree with. Do I want him as POTUS, no....listening to their input is another story.

Look, I'm not one to tear apart those who are on our side. I like Rush, Hannity, Levin etc and agree with them 99% of the time. Too many here want to take one thing out of 10, 000 things they have said over time and bash them over the head with it...sorry, but that is a losing game.

25 posted on 09/12/2010 4:57:47 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremest use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

It’s the wider view if you will. No one in a Country of this size will get all they want, You , Me , or the guy across the street. You want 99%, well so would I, Not going to happen

Reducing spending, limiting Govt. I’ll take that.


26 posted on 09/12/2010 5:54:31 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: reefdiver
Me, I want it all but you're right, it is never going to happen so we settle for what we can get.

As I said, I like Rudy as a pundit, but not a leader. If I had to vote for him vs. islamobama....well, let's hope we don't have to cross that bridge, Mc Cain was bad enough!

27 posted on 09/12/2010 6:03:17 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremest use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: livius
In New Jersey Rauf has been known for decades as a plain and simple real estate crook and slum lord.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/082910_Imam_has_history_of_tenant_troubles.html

28 posted on 09/12/2010 9:11:25 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

MAkes me wonder if the really important people have their people looking over sites like this. A number of us here have been clling out this clown for what his real aim is to cause division among us. If they are, they are late to the party!


29 posted on 09/12/2010 11:37:49 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Free ThinkerNY

MAkes me wonder if the really important people have their people looking over sites like this. A number of us here have been calling out this clown for what his real aim is to cause division among us. If they are, they are late to the party!


30 posted on 09/12/2010 11:38:03 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Missouri gal

Well said.

Reciprocity NOW!!!!


31 posted on 09/13/2010 1:32:38 AM PDT by happygrl (Continuing to predict that Obama will resign)
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To: Missouri gal

Well said! We must use our freedom to worship as a weapon to bang the Muslims over the heads. No more mosques in America until they allow us free worship in their countries!


32 posted on 09/13/2010 4:49:47 AM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: Tellurian
"Islam "is" a religion of peace should really be phrased Islam "will be" a religion of peace - for as soon as all the world is under the dominion of sharia law, and those opposing islam are subdued, there will then be peace!"

More likely scenario is that Islam ... will be ... pacified.

33 posted on 09/13/2010 3:09:09 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: Missouri gal
Which is what makes it compelling -- Bojinka-cum-9/11 was out in front of much longer-term jihad plans to obtain a nuke, which Gulf2 subsequently temporarily disgronified before Iran ramped up; and this mosque is almost a feint, out in front of something larger. But what?
34 posted on 09/13/2010 3:29:44 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: pnh102; StAnDeliver; ilovesarah2012

Yeah, you’re right. Islamists will never be satisfied with any level of humanly possible conformity. It will always be “death” to the infidels, with nonfidelity defined to ever decreasing levels of differences. I suppose even if every person on earth was a clone of Mohammed’s ideal Muslim, in form and thought, they would argue violently about the rising of the moon, or the shadow of a dog, or whatever might be seen differently from two points of view.


35 posted on 09/13/2010 8:37:46 PM PDT by Tellurian
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