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Russian SPETSNAZ arrested at powerplant by I-95 possibly with a tactical nuke?
savannahnow.com ^ | 9/9/2010 | DeAnn Komanecky, Jeff Nyquist, Kabud

Posted on 09/13/2010 8:40:02 PM PDT by Kabud

This is the original news report from SPRINGFIELD, Effingham County in Georgia, next to the entrance of I-95 to Florida.

Effingham deputies call feds after arresting Russians with shovel, wire cutters outside Georgia Power plant

by Evgeniy Luzhetskiy

SPRINGFIELD — Effingham County sheriff deputies have reported the early Sunday morning arrest of three men to the federal Joint Terrorism Task Force.

The men, two from Russia and one from Kazakhstan, were found near Georgia Power’s Plant McIntosh on Old Augusta Road about 1 a.m. Sunday after a ranger with the Department of Natural Resources reported a suspicious vehicle, Effingham County sheriff’s spokesman David Ehsanipoor said.

Deputies reported the men, who were inside a 1995 Nissan Pathfinder, had a machete, shovel, wire cutters and ski masks. One man also had black silk stockings in his front left pocket.

Arrested were Evgeniy Luzhetskiy, of Kazakhastan Nail Idiatullin and Rustem Ibragimov of Russia. All three reported they lived in Charleston, S.C., deputies reported.

The men were all charged with possession of tools during the commission of a crime.

The three were released after being interviewed by task force members, Ehsanipoor said.

"They did all have visas that allowed them to be here and are supposed to be leaving the country soon."

This is the letter to the editor of savannahnow.com :

To the editor:

With regard to the detention and questioning of three men from the "former" Soviet Union caught near a power plant with a shovel and wire cutters, several posts to Your web site were deleted for linking to stories about Russian/Soviet spetsnaz. 
Those who posted were then banned, as if they had committed an egregious offense.
If I were a national security official I'd be burning with curiosity as to the reason for censoring such material.
Is Your paper being pressured by someone?
And why would this topic be so sensitive, so off limits, when You allowed posters to discuss the possible Jewish ethnicity of the aforementioned "former" Soviet persons?
The oblique suggestion of a jewish conspiracy is allowed, but a link to a New York Times piece on Russian special operations is deleted, along with links to GRU defector testimony from two knowledgeable experts.
Whether these deletions are due to a pro-Russian bias or to some mental block (produced, perhaps, by years of successful "active measures" against the American psyche), the deletion got my attention far more than a story about suspicious Russian-related activity (which is rather commonplace).
I don't suppose You will answer this email, but curiosity got the best of me.
Jeff Nyquist
p.s.
In order to help You to make a better objective judgment on The Issue

I take my liberty to copy the postings that SavannaNow deleted:

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let me answer several questions

By karkas1 | 09/10/10 - 07:47 pm these people are not amish also there are not jews Their ethnic background is one Russian, possibly Christian, and two others Russian Caucasians, possibly Muslims; however this background stuff does not matter, because their true religion is Communism and ethnically there are Marxists - these people don't have motherland, but there are willing to possess the whole Earth. And America is the only country which is an obstacle on their way; so tehre are ready for everything to ruin it.

 
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I am surprized with you, Americans!

By karkas1 | 09/10/10 - 07:40 pm You just caught three very dangerous Russian diversants and you are going to let them go?! Do you know what will happen next? Let me explain you. Their bosses back in Moscow will see that it is totally OK to send their agents to the US to set up various attacks against Americans. In case if these agents are caught, there is no punishment for them and in the worst case these agents will be sent back home, as it was done a couple of months ago to the guys from a spy ring, and as it is going to be done now. It means, that in the future you will have to expect tens of thousands of Russians who will be setting up various diversions on you sensitive objects, and even if catch some of them, others will do the job! If you want my advise what to do with these guys - here it is: put them to jail for at least 10 years. Next time they should be scared to go to America with bad intentions. Yet, BTW, Russians will respect you more.

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SPETSNAZ in the search of a spot marked for nuke hiding place

By Kabud | 09/12/10 - 04:43 am

Setting up one of these devices is complicated. The bombs need a small amount of power to keep them safely in storage. For example, the GRU specialist might have to run a very small wire to an electrical source, such as a power wire, and then attach it to the weapon. The wires can be run as far as one hundred yards or more from the weapon. The wires are small enough that they would easily break if someone tampered with them or tried to follow them to their source. In case there is a loss of power, there is a battery

Nuclear devices can also be slipped across the Mexican or Canadian borders. It is easy to get a bomb to Cuba and from there transport it to Mexico. Usually the devices are carried by a Russian intelligence officer or a trusted agent. If a Russian intelligence officer was for some reason not involved, the human missile transporting the device would be killed after safely handing it over to a GRU specialist. This is a simple security precaution.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30259323/Why-Russia-is-More-Dangerous-Than-Eve...

2. Spetsnaz fighting shovel.

http://militaryanalysis.blogspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html

The common Soviet/Russian entrenching tool. Sharp on three sides, a single monolithic object, unlike the current American entrenching tool. Used by Spetsnaz soldiers as a fighting weapon, silent, and in the right hands, downright deadly.

"In a combat training of Spetsnaz soldiers a great attention is paid to their ability to engage in hand-to-hand combat and to use hand-held weapon . . . an entrenching shovel is of special importance . . . it is a formidable weapon of the close combat."

"the entrenching shovel is an excellent throwing implement - the range of aimed throw made by a well-trained specialist is 10 meters or more."

A weapon used as a hand-to-hand fighting tool, and, WHEN USED IN THE RIGHT HANDS, A THROWING WEAPON ALSO!

Again - - from Suvorov:

http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/09.html

"In the hands of a spetsnaz soldier the spade is a terrible noiseless weapon . . . The little spade can be used in hand-to-hand fighting against blows from a bayonet, a knife, a fist or another spade . . . Finally a soldier is taught to throw the spade as accurately as he would use a sword or a battle axe . . . As it spins in flight [the spade has] accuracy and thrust. It becomes a terrifying weapon. If it lands in a tree it is not so easy to pull out again."

Here, thanks to the Russian web site: "Entrenching Shovel in Close Combat. Version of Spetsnaz GRU. Basic Fighting Technique." you can see video clips of Alexander Popov [???], demonstrating the fighting shovel combat technique.

You see a lot of twirls, pirouettes, jumps, etc. Ballet-like in form??!! This is characteristic of Russian style martial arts? Russian All-round Fighting [RAF] DOES emphasize Russian folk dance as a basis for many martial arts "moves"!? An indigenously developed Russian close-quarters-combat fighting form that is very effective!?

I would ask the question too, HOW OFTEN WOULD SUCH WEAPONS BE EMPLOYED?

Martial arts as taught to special operations units the world over are obviously useful, to say the least, but how often used? I would think very rarely, if at all?

Such martial arts techniques are more than anything else an excellent way of developing physical fitness, building confidence, instilling aggressiveness, AND OF COURSE - - PERHAPS KILLING AN AMERICAN SENTRY - - NOISELESSLY - - WITH A KNIFE OR A SHOVEL!!

An even more frightful weapon is a spade in the hands of a skilled fighter. It was with the Soviet Army spade that we began this book. Ways of using it are one of the dramatic elements of sambo. A spetsnaz soldier can kill people with a spade at a distance of several metres as easily, freely and silently as with a P-6 gun.

Lunev asserted that some of the hidden caches could contain portable tactical nuclear weapons known as RA-115 "suitcase bombs". Such bombs have been prepared to assassinate US leaders in the event of war, according to him [1] Lunev states that he had personally looked for hiding places for weapons caches in the Shenandoah Valley area[1] and that "it is surprisingly easy to smuggle nuclear weapons into the US, either across the Mexican border or using a small transport missile that can slip undetected when launched from a Russian airplane [1]

God Bless USA  

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russians can do it here with a nuke and more

From Kabud | 09/12/10 - 01:37 pm http://losangeles.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel10/la051810.htm The FBI is coordinating a training exercise among multiple government and law enforcement organizations at the national and local level, to exercise response capabilities relative to a terrorist attack involving an improvised nuclear device. The exercise will take place Monday, May 17th through Wednesday, May 19th.

But mind that there is no such thing as `homemade nuke`. ON the other hand a suitecase device is a real one. So it is all just double speak.

From New York Times article published on 04/16/2010

Intelligence officials feared that bomb parts might be delivered in diplomatic mail pouches, carried by international air travelers in their luggage or delivered by boat or submarine to an isolated beach.

Communist agents already in the country might then assemble, plant and detonate the weapons. “Surveillance of all Communist Party members and sympathizers is impossible and impractical since numerically they exceed by many times the total Special Agent force of the F.B.I.,” a bureau memo complained. J. Edgar Hoover, the F.B.I. director, who was intensely focused on the smuggling threat, proposed increasing manpower to cope.

Among many potential nuclear saboteurs, F.B.I. field offices identified the proprietor of a left-wing bookstore in Seattle, a reporter for the Soviet news agency Tass and even a representative of the American Council for a Democratic Greece.

When the Polish consul to Detroit arrived in the United States in the mid-1950s with four big boxes, F.B.I. agents surreptitiously searched them for nuclear material. They found 24 bottles of cherry cordial but “no article or part thereof that could be construed as a portion of a weapon of mass destruction,” their secret report solemnly declared.

Security officials later speculated about whether China might set off a smuggled nuke in the United States and make it look like a Soviet attack, provoking devastating war between its rivals. Later, as portable tactical nuclear weapons proliferated in both Eastern and Western Europe, there were periodic alarms about their security.

In the 1950s the United States knew its adversaries had weapons; the mystery was whether they might use them. Today, said Jeffrey T. Richelson, a historian of nuclear weapons, the situation is reversed: Qaeda leaders have suggested publicly that they would use a nuclear weapon, “but as far as we know, Al Qaeda hasn’t even come close to building a bomb.”

(Excerpt) Read more at  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/world/16memo.html

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Where are the messages of KABUD?

By karkas1 | 09/12/10 - 06:16 pm
Dear moderator, yesterday I saw here several messages written by Kabud, which contained links to information that is highly important for understanding the described events. Unfortunately, I don't see them here any more. One of them I have in my cash (see below), however, there were several more important notes from this user. Because, to the best of my knowledge, his messages did not violate any rules and did not contain any offensive meaning, I would ask you if you could be so kind to restore them Thank you! Here is the message that I have in my cash:  < THIS USER QUOTED ONE OF THE ABOVE>

"..This is a place where you can take the lead in telling your own story. As a registered Savannahnow.com user, you get your own weblog, your own photo gallery, and the ability to post entries in special databases such as events and recipes. In return, we ask that you meet this character challenge: be a good citizen and exhibit community leadership qualities. It's a simple and golden rule. Act as you would like your neighbors to act. Anybody can be a leader. You're a leader every day in what you do and what you say -- regardless of whether you  want to be a leader. Your words have power."                                                                       from :      http://savannahnow.com/about-us



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1 posted on 09/13/2010 8:40:06 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: spetznaz

was this you?


2 posted on 09/13/2010 8:41:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: spetznaz

Related?

:^)


3 posted on 09/13/2010 8:42:23 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

Russian suitcase nukes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuke
In 1997, former Russian National Security Advisor Alexander Lebed made public claims about lost “suitcase nukes” following the dissolution of the Soviet Union. In an interview with the newsmagazine 60 Minutes, Lebed said:
I’m saying that more than a hundred weapons out of the supposed number of 250 are not under the control of the armed forces of Russia. I don’t know their location. I don’t know whether they have been destroyed or whether they are stored or whether they’ve been sold or stolen, I don’t know.[citation needed]
However, the Russian government immediately rejected Lebed’s claims. Russia’s Ministry for Atomic Energy went so far as to dispute that suitcase nuclear weapons had even ever been developed by the Soviet Union. Later testimony however insinuated that the suitcase bombs had been under the control of the KGB and not the army or the atomic energy ministry, so they might not know of their existence. Russian president Vladimir Putin, in an interview with Barbara Walters in 2001, stated about suitcase nukes, “I don’t really believe this is true. These are just legends. One can probably assume that somebody tried to sell some nuclear secrets. But there is no documentary confirmation of those developments.”[citation needed]
The highest-ranking GRU defector Stanislav Lunev claimed that such Russian-made devices do exist and described them in more detail.[7] These devices, “identified as RA-115s (or RA-115-01s for submersible weapons)” weigh from fifty to sixty pounds. They can last for many years if wired to an electric source. In case there is a loss of power, there is a battery backup. If the battery runs low, the weapon has a transmitter that sends a coded message—either by satellite or directly to a GRU post at a Russian embassy or consulate.” According to Lunev, the number of “missing” nuclear devices (as found by General Lebed) “is almost identical to the number of strategic targets upon which those bombs would be used.”[7]
Lunev suggested that suitcase nukes might be already deployed by the GRU operatives at the US soil to assassinate US leaders in the event of war.[7] He alleged that arms caches were hidden by the KGB in many countries for the planned terrorism acts. They were booby-trapped with “Lightning” explosive devices. One of such cache, which was identified by Vasili Mitrokhin, exploded when Swiss authorities tried to remove it from woods near Berne. Several others caches were removed successfully.[8] Lunev said that he had personally looked for hiding places for weapons caches in the Shenandoah Valley area[7] and that “it is surprisingly easy to smuggle nuclear weapons into the US” either across the Mexican border or using a small transport missile that can slip undetected when launched from a Russian airplane.[7] US Congressman Curt Weldon supported claims by Lunev but noted that Lunev had “exaggerated things” according to the FBI.[9] Searches of the areas identified by Lunev have been conducted, “but law-enforcement officials have never found such weapons caches, with or without portable nuclear weapons.”[10]


4 posted on 09/13/2010 8:43:36 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud

Holy crap. After reading all that, I feel like sitting and downing an entire bottle of Vodka.


5 posted on 09/13/2010 8:43:52 PM PDT by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...

This attack by Russians and Kazakhs at a nuclear power plant makes me very suspicious.

Russia/Soviet/coldwar2 PING!!!

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6 posted on 09/13/2010 8:44:53 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Egon

vodka- is exactly the thing that may get you killed

drunk people cant think straight

be a Man


7 posted on 09/13/2010 8:45:26 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud

“The three were released after being interviewed by task force members”

Nothing to see here.


8 posted on 09/13/2010 8:46:03 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Molon Labe.)
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To: Kabud

They weren’t burning any Korans, so there is no crime here.


9 posted on 09/13/2010 8:46:04 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Kabud

This sounds like three Mooses to me. Islamoterrorism, not Rooskie-sponsored pranks, and they probably didn’t have any bomb at all but were just going through the motions to create, well, what terrorists create. Terror.


10 posted on 09/13/2010 8:46:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Kabud

On the uber remote chance this were true, there is no way in hell our government would ever let this news cat out of the bag.


11 posted on 09/13/2010 8:46:30 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: Kabud

WTF? Is this some DEBKA/WND crap or the real thing?


12 posted on 09/13/2010 8:46:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I don't need a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber.)
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To: Kabud

While I am HIGHLY skeptical of all the kookery in this post... I am not pleased with the level of Russian activity and the slap on the writs letting them go. We need to execute spies. This is the only signal they will understand. If you are a spy, you die. End of debate. Or we hold them forever and trade them for any of our spies. After interrogation, of course.


13 posted on 09/13/2010 8:47:01 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Welcome to "The Hunt for Red November".)
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To: Kabud

I think he was kidding.


14 posted on 09/13/2010 8:47:04 PM PDT by unkus
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

well, what if the news is not exactly all the truth

what if those three were watched for a looong time....


15 posted on 09/13/2010 8:47:38 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud

Russian “special forces” being arrested by county deputies...??


16 posted on 09/13/2010 8:49:47 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Kabud

Sounds like you got some anti-semite commie symps inside the wire there in Georgia. Root ‘em out. Send ‘em packin’. ;-)


17 posted on 09/13/2010 8:51:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: RachelFaith

you are someone:

kookery in your view comes from everywhere: Ruski Generals, prominent spies who came to our side, renown historians

i have a very grounded suspicion abput people who maek statements like RachelFaith

so, there.


18 posted on 09/13/2010 8:51:38 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud

This seems possible, though conjectural. My own thought was that these might well be Muslims from Russia. As I recall, one of them was from Kazakhstan.

It is certainly extremely curious—and troubling—that they were simply let go, without a good deal of questioning and investigation first. I thought that clinton’s Justice Department was bad, but Obama’s is even worse. Eric Holder makes Janet Reno look pretty good.


19 posted on 09/13/2010 8:52:44 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: DTogo

what if you try to give it some thought:

a dry run to test power plant security

USA HLS are highly professional

spetsnaz soldiers make mistakes: young, not here long enopugh

THINK: thats a very exciting endeavor !

Yes YOU CAN!


20 posted on 09/13/2010 8:54:27 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Cicero

russians are not muslim they are atheist communists


21 posted on 09/13/2010 8:55:26 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Nailbiter; BartMan1

ping


22 posted on 09/13/2010 8:55:54 PM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project ever undertaken in human history.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

stay calm
use your brains
call the county sheriff in georgia.

simple as that


23 posted on 09/13/2010 8:56:51 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud
From the CIA World Factbook:

Soviet citizens were encouraged to help cultivate Kazakhstan's northern pastures. This influx of immigrants (mostly Russians, but also some other deported nationalities) skewed the ethnic mixture and enabled non-Kazakhs to outnumber natives. Independence in 1991 caused many of these newcomers to emigrate. Kazakhstan's economy is larger than those of all the other Central Asian states combined largely due to the country's vast natural resources and a recent history of political stability. Current issues include: developing a cohesive national identity; expanding the development of the country's vast energy resources and exporting them to world markets; achieving a sustainable economic growth; diversifying the economy outside the oil, gas, and mining sectors; enhancing Kazakhstan's competitiveness; and strengthening relations with neighboring states and other foreign powers.

Muslim 47%, Russian Orthodox 44%, Protestant 2%, other 7%


24 posted on 09/13/2010 8:58:20 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Thunder90

soviet spetsnaz ARE NOT russian or kazakh
names are fake
communists never have a religion or ethnicity

spetsnaz get special training that cleans their brains of EVERYTHING


25 posted on 09/13/2010 8:58:47 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud

It seems rather obvious they were saboteurs and should have been tried and then executed.


26 posted on 09/13/2010 8:59:01 PM PDT by devere
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To: Pan_Yan

you have NO idea about soviet life (((

i was born there and spent over 30 years

try to learn the truth.

Kazakhstan pasport is a FAKE

GRU operates with FAKE identities

o my God Amnericans are naive like hell

this will get many people killed((((((


27 posted on 09/13/2010 9:00:52 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Rebelbase

and im skeptical that 3 Spetsnaz men on a mission would meekly surrender to a county deputy, or a game warden.


28 posted on 09/13/2010 9:01:07 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: devere

i would like them to be watched like they are double al Queda:
on their way home, every minute

then have them arrested befopre they leave USA

and then: i would like to follow Your recomendation of course


29 posted on 09/13/2010 9:02:17 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: DesertRhino

that is exactly what they are instructed to do by kremlin
now public is told thats they are nobodies just been there

it is possible they were testing security


30 posted on 09/13/2010 9:03:28 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Thunder90

don’t forget the Russian numbers station that came out with a new message the other week. What a great place to set off a nuke, right beside a nuke power plant. the left would go nuts and we would have to shut them all down.


31 posted on 09/13/2010 9:04:40 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Kabud

SO true,,, a commando, on a mission,,, carrying his true passport! lol


32 posted on 09/13/2010 9:05:04 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: ClayinVA

good point,,, if a nuke ever went off at a power plant, nobady could convince the public that it wasn’t an accident at the plant.


33 posted on 09/13/2010 9:08:03 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: ClayinVA

it is MORE

if ruski take out THAT plant

they also destroy i-95

then Florida is CUT OFF!!!!!!!

East coast electric grid may go OFF for ..God may be for weeks if not more

IT IS AN END TO USA as we know it

If God forbid..
it will be most lokely followed by MORE attacks:
a weak USA becomes a easy pray for Castro, Chavez, Chinese and of course:

ruski strategioc rocket forces(about 4 times more nukes then USA)

and ANTHRAX, dont forget THAT it was also russian


34 posted on 09/13/2010 9:09:30 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud

I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on something I’m not, namely how the Soviet Union worked. Let’s just assume your theory is correct. It is suprising that this story has not ‘grown legs’ after four days.

The question I have is why?


35 posted on 09/13/2010 9:09:48 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Thunder90

Plant McIntosh is a coal-fired steam plant, not a nuclear plant.


36 posted on 09/13/2010 9:12:49 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Kabud

Those guys look awfully young.

Looks can be deceiving I guess, but they certainly don’t look like Spetsnaz to me.


37 posted on 09/13/2010 9:13:03 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: Pan_Yan

it is no theory. I was an officer trained in USSR as a programmer for anti ballistic missile forces, in early 80s.

Legs? u kidding! savannah.com deleted a comment that was ne York Times article from april 2010

people are sheep...... thay will face their maker if they dont change their ways


38 posted on 09/13/2010 9:14:02 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: smokingfrog

i studied their faces. All 3 are very intelligent for a soviet types. I can tell that. Young: well, they draft at 18, so at 20 spetsnaz commando is fully ready


39 posted on 09/13/2010 9:15:22 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: ClayinVA

Which station was it?


40 posted on 09/13/2010 9:19:21 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Kabud
Yes many Americans are naive. So about this nuclear demolition device business, do you believe that they are really buried here?

If so, are they really operational? I've read that they would have become useless by now due to radioactive destruction of the key electronics.

As to Russian or ex-Soviet involvement, who would benefit and why from such a demolition? Follow the money and power.

41 posted on 09/13/2010 9:21:12 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Cindy

Intrigue ping.


42 posted on 09/13/2010 9:21:12 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: TigersEye

this is IMPORTANT

same antisemitic stuff is spread around in Ukraine
for the same reason:

ruski want to ignite xenophobia so we will be fighting each other but not THE ENEMY

Antesemitism is a precursor to anti americanizm

it is a method to provoke world war 3

it was exactly Stalin plan to provoke USA in early 50s but some people poisoned Stalin as you know : they did not want the war then

but now ruski fell that they have a strategic advantage :

ruski have biological weapons: we DONT

ruski have 4 times more nukes then USA

ruski have chemical weapons we dont

ruski have Al Queda, HAMNAS, Hesbollah etc

we are overweight crowd of shoppers


43 posted on 09/13/2010 9:22:03 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud

Well, this is weird.

Early this year I had a dream that I was in Atlanta.
While I was there, a nuclear bomb detonated in the city.
In my dream, I was not hurt, but I witnessed the fireball.
I also saw a second nuke detonate at a nearby train station, incinerating the trains and nearby buildings.

In my dream, the attacks were blamed on the Russians.

Thanks, Obama, for weakening America. 2012 can’t come fast enough.


44 posted on 09/13/2010 9:22:35 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The rallying cry of American patriots.....REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!)
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To: Sender

Russian officials confirmed in mid 90s to USA gov

that

IT WAS WHAT THEY DID


45 posted on 09/13/2010 9:23:27 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: DesertRhino
"good point,,, if a nuke ever went off at a power plant, nobady could convince the public that it wasn’t an accident at the plant."

Ah, probably not.

First, Georgia only has two nuclear plants - one in Baxley, and one in Waynesboro - neither are anywhere near where these men were arrested.

Second, I went to school to be an economist and a lawyer, and even with my embarrassingly limited understanding of physics, I know enough to understand that nuclear power plants don't "blow up". Even with a massive conventional explosion inside the reactor chamber, there is not NEARLY enough fissile material at a nuclear plant for it to "blow up". The laws of physics dictate that there need be a certain quantity of fissile material available to reach critical mass, and that quantity far exceeds what is found in ANY nuclear power plant. You could have a huge "dirty bomb", but you could not have a "nuclear explosion".

If we live in a country that educates people so poorly that they believe nuclear power plants can "blow-up" (like thermonuclear warhead), we have MUCH BIGGER problems than Al Qeada, because we clearly would have a country of imbeciles.

46 posted on 09/13/2010 9:23:36 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Sender

USA is the only obstacle to China-Russian domination

You got to read and watch ruski TV:

mostly ALL ruski politicians talk anti american , very intimidating stuff

If USA is weakened: world is tuning to Moscow

they will have us all exterminated

there is no other reason ruski invested around 100 trillion dollars since 1945 in arming themselfs with WMD

They NEVER waste nothing like 100 tril


47 posted on 09/13/2010 9:27:02 PM PDT by Kabud
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To: Kabud
The men were all charged with possession of tools during the commission of a crime.

Does anyone else have a problem with that sentance?

48 posted on 09/13/2010 9:27:37 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: DTogo

Yeah, right.


49 posted on 09/13/2010 9:28:17 PM PDT by DC Bound (F Government)
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To: Kabud
this is IMPORTANT

That remains to be seen.

same antisemitic stuff is spread around in Ukraine for the same reason:

I was talking about your description of what's happening on the savannahnow forum.

we are overweight crowd of shoppers

I'm an underweight hermit. I think maybe you're nuts.

50 posted on 09/13/2010 9:29:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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