Skip to comments.Burial at sea fails when body surfaces
Posted on 09/14/2010 11:20:00 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
FORT LAUDERDALE A burial in his beloved sea was the wish of Daniel Scott Lasky, who died last week at his home in Hickory, N.C.
But his family's efforts to comply with that wish led to a fisherman's startling discovery and sent homicide investigators scrambling to solve the mystery of a body at sea.
Lasky, a 48-year-old grocery worker, died of Lou Gehrig's disease on Sept. 8. The next day his family packed his body in dry ice, loaded it into a van and drove to Fort Lauderdale, where Lasky once vacationed. After stopping overnight in Daytona Beach, the family and Lasky's remains arrived in Fort Lauderdale on Friday.
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I guess you can't keep a good man down!
I am really pushing it tonight...
Aren’t there laws about disposing bodies? Typically, one requesting burial at sea is cremated first and then has their ashes scattered. Unless, of course, their burial at sea was arranged by the Mob. Then cement shoes are provided the deceased at no extra charge.
The Coast Guard is consulting with the EPA's regional administrator in the Lasky case, Collins said. He couldn't immediately say if any burial regulations were violated.
They're going to find a way to charge the grieving family with something if they have to go to Congress and get a law passed with a retroactive clause in it. /s
This is from the article:
State and federal protocols demand the body be in a coffin of noncorrosive metal that weighs four times the individual’s body weight, said Gary Collins, burial at sea coordinator for the Environmental Protection Agency’s southeastern district in Atlanta.
The coffin also must be secured top, bottom and lengthwise. “We recommend they use stainless steel chains,” Collins said. “The idea is to make sure it keeps that casket closed This has happened before, where the lids pop open.”
The coffin also must have at least six 2-inch holes drilled in its lid and base. It can be sunk no closer than three miles from shore in international waters of at least 600 feet. Because of a casket’s weight, burials at sea typically require a crane-equipped boat.
I was thinking maybe his name was *BOB*
Make sure the “sinking devices” are Coast Guard Approved.
“After stopping overnight in Daytona Beach....”
Well - that raises some questions and also some interesting mental images!
They add a shell.
The charter boat captain should have known the rules or looked them up. I looked into having my ashes (when I die) put into a cement ring that they lower to a reef which they’re starting somewhere off the coast of NJ. The family thinks I am nuts. However I don’t trust them with my ashes. Sassy maybe as long as the top is welded shut. She didn’t want her grandmother’s urn put with my dad. She liked having her around which upset the brothers greatly. Seems they have a problem with death & she doesn’t. Thankfully.
In a wartime burial at sea, the body is sewn into sackcloth along with heavy weights (normally scrap metal of some sort). Back when sailors still slept in hammocks, they were often sewn into their hammock.
Most wartime burials at sea occur a long way from land in very deep water.
Okay, I’ll bite. Who was Toot?
Judging from the ashes, Toot was huge. :)
Good point. The requirements sound like the result of good lobbying efforts by the funeral industry though.
I was thinking along those lines. Seems like a lot of work to dump a single body into ocean. I'm thinking it would be nothing but bones in less than a week. Wonder what they worry about?
They worry about cases like this one - where because it (apparently) wasn’t done properly, all sorts of resources have been tied up dealing with it.
It can also cost ordinary people, not just the authorities - a fishing boat captain doesn’t appreciate having the entire catch condemned because a body floated into it because somebody else was careless.
“Family members then fished for a spell in his memory.”
Gross. Who could eat a fish knowing it was swimming around a dead body? It’s amazing that no one, including (you would think)a level-headed pastor and other family members, thought that this might be a bad idea.
“Arent there laws about disposing bodies?..”
You bet your bottom there are.
Images on TV and in movies about simply dumping someone’s ashes nondescriptly or, in this case, just dumping someone’s unprepared remains into a body of water are completely illegal.
Various reasons........most, obviously, related to public health concerns (spreading disease, sanitation)......some others about customs and common decency.
Exactly. If properly weighted it would. But they want you to buy a $10k corrosion resistant casket and stainless steel chains that will last for decades down there.
In the good old days you were sewn up in your hammock with two good sized round shot at your feet. Arrgghh.
Perhaps they decided to honor his wishes just to have an excuse for a Florida fishing trip. In his memory, of course.
Since we did have a charter boat we had to keep up with the ever changing rules. We refused to do do the dropping of ashes at sea. I forget why but there was a good reason. If a body isn’t taken far enough out to sea the fisherman will just net it up & lose their catch. What is allowed in NC might not be allowed in FL either. I think it may go state by state. I do know that you can’t just drop ashes on the beach like you could yrs ago. The family should pay for the lost catch IMO or sue the charter capt for it. Those fisherman work long hard hrs for that catch. Why should they lose money?
His new name is Bob....
Toot was Obama's grandmother. That's his sister with him in that picture.
That's Toot in the chair in front
Lol! Thanks for the info.
Strange that Bammy and Michelle are standing as far apart from each other as you can get.
What a weird family.
Somewhere online there is a video of a family dumping ashes over a cliff and wind blows it back into everyone’s face.
Yeah, and McCain's presidential campaign would have been successful if he hadn't lost.
Toot must have taken a lot of documents with her to the incinerator.
"You know how old people are - they grow so attached to things."
~ Dr. Werner Klopek
Burial at sea traditionally involves the body being sewn into a heavy canvas envelope with a heavy weight added.
Spreading ashes as a “burial at sea” is hollywood nonsense.
I watched an episode about the Mob and bodies on the Discovery channel.
The Mob has lots (and lots) of experience dumping bodies.
First of all, you have to dismember the body - and that includes cutting off the limbs, head, and ripping the lungs out of the torso. If you don't do this, the body will float until it severely decays, and that could take a long time.
I doubt that would ever happen. Not enough interest. And the ones that do decide to go through with it would probably be cremated.
Put ‘em in a longboat and lob a few flaming arrows. Whoosh.
Could be worse. They could've gone hunting for crabs and lobsters. PS. the term fish food is used for good reason.
Maybe 100yrs ago. You don’t really think they still do that, do you?
Toot was Obama’s White Grandmother....that’s him with her ashes.
That happened to us!
We took our cousin's ashes to Scotland to sprinkle in the rose garden of our ancestral castle, as per her wishes. We did not own the castle, so we were sneaky about it. Well, a gust came up as I was about to speak, and I got little gritty bits of cousion Alda in my mouth. At least she stayed with me for another day or two!
That’s why I am donating my body to a medical school. No funeral costs other than a memorial service and they will bury me for free.
AND your ashes won’t end up in a loved one’s mouth. It’s a win - win.
Oh yeah, like they’ll be able to tell if they are MY ashes.
“Here’s ya husband Bill’s ashes”
“Hank. His name was Hank”
“Yeah, Hank. Whatevah. Just cross out Bill on da box dere”
That's how I knew they were my wife's ashes, because she'd had six screws implanted in her wrist and forearm after she had shattered them in a fall.
Better save that picture, I hear it has become quite the controversy in some circles and some “experts” claim that the powder Obama is throwing out to sea does NOT match what a humans cremated ashes are supposed to look like.
Wrong color, wrong consistency.
burial at sea coordinator for the Environmental Protection Agencys
Grieving isn’t an excuse for being a dumbass. They should at least be fined for all the costs involved.
I always hate when this happens.
They do have that problem in the Ganges. Apparently on-the-cheap cremations lead to many cadavers floating downstream. America is becoming a third world country before my disbelieving eyes.