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Burial at sea fails when body surfaces
South Florida Sun Sentinel ^ | September 14, 2010 | Robert Nolin

Posted on 09/14/2010 11:20:00 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

FORT LAUDERDALE — A burial in his beloved sea was the wish of Daniel Scott Lasky, who died last week at his home in Hickory, N.C.

But his family's efforts to comply with that wish led to a fisherman's startling discovery and sent homicide investigators scrambling to solve the mystery of a body at sea.

Lasky, a 48-year-old grocery worker, died of Lou Gehrig's disease on Sept. 8. The next day his family packed his body in dry ice, loaded it into a van and drove to Fort Lauderdale, where Lasky once vacationed. After stopping overnight in Daytona Beach, the family and Lasky's remains arrived in Fort Lauderdale on Friday.

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KEYWORDS: body; burial; sea
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1 posted on 09/14/2010 11:20:02 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

I guess you can't keep a good man down!

I am really pushing it tonight...

2 posted on 09/14/2010 11:24:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-Reader: omnipotence at home, impotence abroad (Weekly Standard))
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To: ConservativeStatement

Aren’t there laws about disposing bodies? Typically, one requesting burial at sea is cremated first and then has their ashes scattered. Unless, of course, their burial at sea was arranged by the Mob. Then cement shoes are provided the deceased at no extra charge.


3 posted on 09/14/2010 11:25:46 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: ConservativeStatement; pandoraou812
Sheriff's deputies are conferring with the Coast Guard in deciding whether any laws were broken.

The Coast Guard is consulting with the EPA's regional administrator in the Lasky case, Collins said. He couldn't immediately say if any burial regulations were violated.

They're going to find a way to charge the grieving family with something if they have to go to Congress and get a law passed with a retroactive clause in it. /s

4 posted on 09/14/2010 11:29:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: OrangeHoof

This is from the article:

State and federal protocols demand the body be in a coffin of noncorrosive metal that weighs four times the individual’s body weight, said Gary Collins, burial at sea coordinator for the Environmental Protection Agency’s southeastern district in Atlanta.

The coffin also must be secured top, bottom and lengthwise. “We recommend they use stainless steel chains,” Collins said. “The idea is to make sure it keeps that casket closed … This has happened before, where the lids pop open.”

The coffin also must have at least six 2-inch holes drilled in its lid and base. It can be sunk no closer than three miles from shore in international waters of at least 600 feet. Because of a casket’s weight, burials at sea typically require a crane-equipped boat.


5 posted on 09/14/2010 11:31:42 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: ConservativeStatement
Dumping Toot (2008-12-24) ...


6 posted on 09/14/2010 11:32:20 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ConservativeStatement

I was thinking maybe his name was *BOB*


7 posted on 09/14/2010 11:39:12 PM PDT by wyokostur
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To: ConservativeStatement

Make sure the “sinking devices” are Coast Guard Approved.


8 posted on 09/14/2010 11:48:08 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: ConservativeStatement
How does the Navy do this, anyone know? I had always thought they just bound them and slid them in.

Interesting.

9 posted on 09/14/2010 11:50:13 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: ConservativeStatement

“After stopping overnight in Daytona Beach....”

Well - that raises some questions and also some interesting mental images!


10 posted on 09/14/2010 11:50:42 PM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: annieokie

They add a shell.


11 posted on 09/14/2010 11:55:37 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: TigersEye

The charter boat captain should have known the rules or looked them up. I looked into having my ashes (when I die) put into a cement ring that they lower to a reef which they’re starting somewhere off the coast of NJ. The family thinks I am nuts. However I don’t trust them with my ashes. Sassy maybe as long as the top is welded shut. She didn’t want her grandmother’s urn put with my dad. She liked having her around which upset the brothers greatly. Seems they have a problem with death & she doesn’t. Thankfully.


12 posted on 09/15/2010 12:00:42 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (Shoot for the moon. If you miss, you'll land among the stars)
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To: annieokie

In a wartime burial at sea, the body is sewn into sackcloth along with heavy weights (normally scrap metal of some sort). Back when sailors still slept in hammocks, they were often sewn into their hammock.

Most wartime burials at sea occur a long way from land in very deep water.


13 posted on 09/15/2010 12:01:51 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: cynwoody

Okay, I’ll bite. Who was Toot?

Judging from the ashes, Toot was huge. :)


14 posted on 09/15/2010 12:03:19 AM PDT by derllak
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To: pandoraou812
The charter boat captain should have known the rules or looked them up.

Good point. The requirements sound like the result of good lobbying efforts by the funeral industry though.

15 posted on 09/15/2010 12:08:37 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye
The requirements sound like the result of good lobbying efforts by the funeral industry though.

I was thinking along those lines. Seems like a lot of work to dump a single body into ocean. I'm thinking it would be nothing but bones in less than a week. Wonder what they worry about?

16 posted on 09/15/2010 12:15:35 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (It's easy being a communist when you're rich.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

They worry about cases like this one - where because it (apparently) wasn’t done properly, all sorts of resources have been tied up dealing with it.

It can also cost ordinary people, not just the authorities - a fishing boat captain doesn’t appreciate having the entire catch condemned because a body floated into it because somebody else was careless.


17 posted on 09/15/2010 12:23:39 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: ConservativeStatement

“Family members then fished for a spell in his memory.”

Gross. Who could eat a fish knowing it was swimming around a dead body? It’s amazing that no one, including (you would think)a level-headed pastor and other family members, thought that this might be a bad idea.


18 posted on 09/15/2010 12:26:30 AM PDT by snowflake2428
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To: OrangeHoof

“Aren’t there laws about disposing bodies?..”

You bet your bottom there are.

Images on TV and in movies about simply dumping someone’s ashes nondescriptly or, in this case, just dumping someone’s unprepared remains into a body of water are completely illegal.

Various reasons........most, obviously, related to public health concerns (spreading disease, sanitation)......some others about customs and common decency.


19 posted on 09/15/2010 12:27:10 AM PDT by JoenTX (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Exactly. If properly weighted it would. But they want you to buy a $10k corrosion resistant casket and stainless steel chains that will last for decades down there.


20 posted on 09/15/2010 12:35:14 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: annieokie

In the good old days you were sewn up in your hammock with two good sized round shot at your feet. Arrgghh.


21 posted on 09/15/2010 12:44:49 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: snowflake2428
“Family members then fished for a spell in his memory.”

Perhaps they decided to honor his wishes just to have an excuse for a Florida fishing trip. In his memory, of course.

22 posted on 09/15/2010 12:52:29 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: TigersEye

Since we did have a charter boat we had to keep up with the ever changing rules. We refused to do do the dropping of ashes at sea. I forget why but there was a good reason. If a body isn’t taken far enough out to sea the fisherman will just net it up & lose their catch. What is allowed in NC might not be allowed in FL either. I think it may go state by state. I do know that you can’t just drop ashes on the beach like you could yrs ago. The family should pay for the lost catch IMO or sue the charter capt for it. Those fisherman work long hard hrs for that catch. Why should they lose money?


23 posted on 09/15/2010 1:09:07 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (Shoot for the moon. If you miss, you'll land among the stars)
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To: ConservativeStatement

His new name is Bob....


24 posted on 09/15/2010 1:33:38 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: derllak
"Okay, I’ll bite. Who was Toot?"

Toot was Obama's grandmother. That's his sister with him in that picture.

That's Toot in the chair in front

25 posted on 09/15/2010 1:43:00 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Mila

Lol! Thanks for the info.

Strange that Bammy and Michelle are standing as far apart from each other as you can get.

What a weird family.


26 posted on 09/15/2010 2:00:18 AM PDT by derllak
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To: ConservativeStatement

A floater...


27 posted on 09/15/2010 2:26:15 AM PDT by Razzz42
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To: cynwoody

Somewhere online there is a video of a family dumping ashes over a cliff and wind blows it back into everyone’s face.


28 posted on 09/15/2010 2:41:09 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: VeniVidiVici; TigersEye
Bodies turn up after months at sea. The regulations sound like common sense to me. Think if millions of bodies were carelessly disposed of in this manner.
29 posted on 09/15/2010 2:44:27 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
"The burial would have been successful if Lasky's body hadn't floated back to the surface."

Yeah, and McCain's presidential campaign would have been successful if he hadn't lost.

30 posted on 09/15/2010 2:55:55 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: derllak; cynwoody; Yehuda; sheik yerbouty; null and void
Judging from the ashes, Toot was huge. :)

Toot must have taken a lot of documents with her to the incinerator.

"You know how old people are - they grow so attached to things."

~ Dr. Werner Klopek

31 posted on 09/15/2010 3:12:23 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: OrangeHoof

Burial at sea traditionally involves the body being sewn into a heavy canvas envelope with a heavy weight added.

Spreading ashes as a “burial at sea” is hollywood nonsense.


32 posted on 09/15/2010 3:26:44 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: OrangeHoof
Unless, of course, their burial at sea was arranged by the Mob.

I watched an episode about the Mob and bodies on the Discovery channel.

The Mob has lots (and lots) of experience dumping bodies.

First of all, you have to dismember the body - and that includes cutting off the limbs, head, and ripping the lungs out of the torso. If you don't do this, the body will float until it severely decays, and that could take a long time.

33 posted on 09/15/2010 3:40:12 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: annieokie
How does the Navy do this, anyone know?

I remember it requires an honor guard stationed on the fantail, possibly to fire a few rounds into the casket if it becomes a floater.
34 posted on 09/15/2010 3:43:21 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Think if millions of bodies were carelessly disposed of in this manner.

I doubt that would ever happen. Not enough interest. And the ones that do decide to go through with it would probably be cremated.

35 posted on 09/15/2010 3:49:16 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (It's easy being a communist when you're rich.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
The family should have called this family for sea burials done right...


36 posted on 09/15/2010 3:51:24 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Put ‘em in a longboat and lob a few flaming arrows. Whoosh.


37 posted on 09/15/2010 3:54:14 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( A window seat, a jug of elderberry wine, and thou.)
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To: snowflake2428
Gross. Who could eat a fish knowing it was swimming around a dead body?

Could be worse. They could've gone hunting for crabs and lobsters. PS. the term fish food is used for good reason.

38 posted on 09/15/2010 4:05:37 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: annieokie

Maybe 100yrs ago. You don’t really think they still do that, do you?


39 posted on 09/15/2010 4:21:22 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: derllak

Toot was Obama’s White Grandmother....that’s him with her ashes.


40 posted on 09/15/2010 4:38:30 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Rebelbase
"...Somewhere online there is a video of a family dumping ashes over a cliff and wind blows it back into everyone’s face..."

That happened to us!

We took our cousin's ashes to Scotland to sprinkle in the rose garden of our ancestral castle, as per her wishes. We did not own the castle, so we were sneaky about it. Well, a gust came up as I was about to speak, and I got little gritty bits of cousion Alda in my mouth. At least she stayed with me for another day or two!

41 posted on 09/15/2010 5:21:50 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: I Buried My Guns

That’s why I am donating my body to a medical school. No funeral costs other than a memorial service and they will bury me for free.


42 posted on 09/15/2010 5:27:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

AND your ashes won’t end up in a loved one’s mouth. It’s a win - win.


43 posted on 09/15/2010 5:29:08 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: I Buried My Guns

Oh yeah, like they’ll be able to tell if they are MY ashes.

“Here’s ya husband Bill’s ashes”
“Hank. His name was Hank”
“Yeah, Hank. Whatevah. Just cross out Bill on da box dere”


44 posted on 09/15/2010 5:31:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
After my late wife died and was cremated, while transferring the ashes to the urn I had purchased, I found six screws in the ashes ...

That's how I knew they were my wife's ashes, because she'd had six screws implanted in her wrist and forearm after she had shattered them in a fall.

45 posted on 09/15/2010 5:34:58 AM PDT by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: cynwoody

Better save that picture, I hear it has become quite the controversy in some circles and some “experts” claim that the powder Obama is throwing out to sea does NOT match what a humans cremated ashes are supposed to look like.

Wrong color, wrong consistency.


46 posted on 09/15/2010 5:37:05 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

burial at sea coordinator for the Environmental Protection Agency’s


We have an EPA burial at sea coordinator? There is one job that can be eliminated.....................


47 posted on 09/15/2010 5:40:53 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: TigersEye

Grieving isn’t an excuse for being a dumbass. They should at least be fined for all the costs involved.


48 posted on 09/15/2010 5:45:05 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: ConservativeStatement; humblegunner; Eaker; sit-rep; Squantos; Vendome; 50mm

I always hate when this happens.


49 posted on 09/15/2010 5:47:08 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: VeniVidiVici

They do have that problem in the Ganges. Apparently on-the-cheap cremations lead to many cadavers floating downstream. America is becoming a third world country before my disbelieving eyes.


50 posted on 09/15/2010 5:59:02 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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