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The mixed legacy of 1492 (European viruses wipe out population)
Boston.com ^ | 10/11/10 | James Carroll

Posted on 10/11/2010 3:55:41 PM PDT by Libloather

The mixed legacy of 1492
By James Carroll
October 11, 2010

IT IS commonly observed that 1492, in addition to being the year of Christopher Columbus, was also the year of the Jews — their expulsion from Spain by the same Ferdinand and Isabella who sponsored the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria. But the overlap of events (actually, Columbus set sail in the very week of the banishment) has historic significance, for it was in Iberia that ancient Christian anti-Judaism had recently morphed into genetic anti-Semitism — the idea that Jews are contemptible not because of their religion, but because of their “blood impurity.’’ This notion of a group’s innate biological inferiority tragically gripped the European imagination just as the encounter with the New World occurred. It was a decisive factor in the creation of modern racism that determined so much of what came in the wake of Christopher Columbus. Contempt for Jews was practice for contempt for aboriginal peoples.

The racist myth of European superiority still shapes the story of the colonial conquest — starting with how the Caribs, Mayans, and Aztecs are remembered as never having had a chance against Spanish steel and gun powder. But it wasn’t technological genius that led to the dominance of the newcomers, nor was it their courageous soldiering, intellectual heritage, or moral superiority — much less the favor of God.

By far, the most decisive factor in the quick establishment of European control was the accident of disease. The immune systems of Western Hemisphere indigenous peoples were overwhelmed by pathogens that accompanied the Europeans, with the result that populations of so-called Amerindians were almost instantly decimated. The population of Mexico, to take one example, fell from 25 million in 1517, when Europeans first came there, to 1.5 million a century later.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1492; 2effenbad; ageofsail; columbus; columbusday; godsgravesglyphs; legacy
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Guns were an advantage for sure, but viruses made the difference.

Happy Columbus Day!

1 posted on 10/11/2010 3:55:46 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Too bad those viruses don’t work on Muslims


2 posted on 10/11/2010 3:57:46 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: Libloather

Up to 50% of the white population was wiped out by disease from the Asians, diseases are something that is tough to whip, they still kill millions of people every year.


3 posted on 10/11/2010 3:59:53 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Libloather
Courtesy of Katie Couric.
4 posted on 10/11/2010 4:00:43 PM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Libloather

Well, speaking of diseases, the Indians pretty certainly gave Columbus’s crew syphilis in return. Because it appeared in Europe for the first time just about then.


5 posted on 10/11/2010 4:01:47 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Libloather

Well, just to play devil’s advocate, how can they say that microbes were not part of God’s plan? But seriously, why didn’t the people already here have some microbe they gave to Europeans? Has anyone ever wondered about that? Why is it always the invaders who seem to have the stronger immune systems?


6 posted on 10/11/2010 4:02:55 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Libloather

I watched a show the other day that seems to indicate pretty strongly that the Japanese visited south America. Pottery that is identical to ancient pottery found in southern Japan and one small area of south America.

The strongest evidence are the very Asian features existing among natives today and a genetic disease found only among Japanese and a small isolated population in south America.

Polynesian skulls are found all around the pacific rim and they obviously made it to Hawaii and Easter Island.

I tend to think there was a lot more “traffic” in the ancient past but civilization didn’t come (and stay) till Columbus


7 posted on 10/11/2010 4:03:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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The racist myth of European superiority still shapes the story of the colonial conquest — starting with how the Caribs, Mayans, and Aztecs are remembered as never having had a chance against Spanish steel and gun powder.

Many Indians did die from disease, but still the Europeans fought and defeated armies of many time their number due to the superiority of their weapons and their horses, and both the men and horses were usually armored.

8 posted on 10/11/2010 4:04:38 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Libloather

Dem evil white dudes.


9 posted on 10/11/2010 4:04:56 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Libloather

It went both ways. Contrary to what left wing “experts” say, there was little or no syphilis in Europe before it was brought back from the New World.


10 posted on 10/11/2010 4:05:09 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: Libloather

Same as it ever was. Get over it, already.


11 posted on 10/11/2010 4:06:47 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Libloather
The Indians got even. They gave the Old World syphilis. This Carroll guy is a long time iconoclast who makes his living by trashing the world of Cristendom. Blamed the Church from antiquity for the Holocaust. Maybe related to his being a disaffected former priest, apparently with a beef against the Church he once pledged to serve. Not a very credible writer.
12 posted on 10/11/2010 4:08:17 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Libloather

How did they arrive at an estimate of 25 million and how accurate is the methodology.

Oh right, it’s just a wild ass guess.


13 posted on 10/11/2010 4:08:50 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: brytlea

Syphilis.


14 posted on 10/11/2010 4:09:21 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: ansel12

while I support using antibiotics and the like to augment our immune systems we’ve grown far too dependent on them. Kids and people used to get dirty and sick on occasion and build up immunity. Now people santize the immune system right out of themselves. By not being exposed to anything if your bodies hit with the right virus or disease it has no defense.

Unless we can develop better medicines thats where the new plagues are going to come from.


15 posted on 10/11/2010 4:10:18 PM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Libloather
This was about 150 years after the Black Death when half of Europe died. I guess those evil white Europeans were so evil they unleashed biological warfare on themselves even.
16 posted on 10/11/2010 4:11:35 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: cripplecreek

It was much cooler I think in those days and the seas were much calmer than now. That would explain crossng an ocean in a catamaran


17 posted on 10/11/2010 4:11:36 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: ansel12
Syphilis mutated in Europeans from a South American bacteria.

The mutation is thought to have occurred because of the European life style versus the South American life style.

That is, heavy, rarely washed clothes versus rarely clothed natives prancing around the "rain forests".

The original bacterial infection sores, covered by clothes, and not exposed to UV, O2, etc, eventually mutated in to "syphilis".

It wasn't until earlier this decade that the last known infections of the original bacteria were wiped out in the Western Hemisphere.

18 posted on 10/11/2010 4:12:46 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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“it was in Iberia that ancient Christian anti-Judaism had recently morphed into genetic anti-Semitism — the idea that Jews are contemptible not because of their religion, but because of their “blood impurity.’’ This notion of a group’s innate biological inferiority tragically gripped the European imagination just as the encounter with the New World occurred. It was a decisive factor in the creation of modern racism that determined so much of what came in the wake of Christopher Columbus. Contempt for Jews was practice for contempt for aboriginal peoples.”

This is why historians suck at thinking. There always have to be connections. A drop of rain water hitting a Chinese emperor in 908 AD has striking reverberations in the Sudan in 2007, or whatever. Which has the advantage of both seeming to uncover something unrecognized before and appealing to the wild paranoia that runs through everyone’s head on a moment to moment basis. (Hey, what do I mean by THAT?)

There’s also got to be a “first,” right? Have to have our turning points. Some distinct moment when regular racism became really, really bad racism. And why not just when Europeans happened to commence permanent contact with the New World. ‘Cause imperialism is bad, colonialism is bad, and really, really wrong racism was behind all the badness (though diseases actually don’t care what sort of “blood” they’re infecting). Nevermind that everyone and their mother hurt the Jews. Europeans must have had a special hatred for them, ‘cause they’re Europeans. And Europeans are bad, ‘cause of the colonialism and imperialism. Which was caused by the racism. Which wasn’t like other people’s racism. ‘Cause of Colombus or the Jews or something. Can’t remember which.


19 posted on 10/11/2010 4:13:26 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Libloather
By far, the most decisive factor in the quick establishment of European control was the accident of disease. The immune systems of Western Hemisphere indigenous peoples were overwhelmed by pathogens that accompanied the Europeans, with the result that populations of so-called Amerindians were almost instantly decimated.

The dominant hypothesis is that Amerindian extirpation of 35 of 44 Pleistocene megafauna species rendered their immune systems unaccustomed to zoonotic diseases.

To which I would add that hunting the domesticable animals into oblivion seriously retarded agro-urban development and condemned many tribes to permanent seasonal nomadism.

20 posted on 10/11/2010 4:13:26 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate IS the fifth column.)
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