Posted on 10/15/2010 9:35:23 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache
FORT HOOD, Texas – A soldier who recorded the terror of last year's deadly shooting rampage in Fort Hood using his cell phone was ordered by an officer to delete both videos, a military court heard Friday.
Under cross examination, Pfc. Lance Aviles told an Article 32 hearing that his noncommissioned officer ordered him to destroy the two videos on Nov. 5, the same day that a gunman unleashed a volley of bullets inside a processing center at the Texas Army post.
The footage could have been vital evidence at the military hearing to decide if Maj. Nidal Hasan should stand trial in the shootings. The 40-year-old American-born Muslim has been charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.
Prosecutors have not said whether they'll seek the death penalty if the case goes to trial.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
Not hearsay. If I ask you “Did Mrs. Lucky say why she was going to the store, and if so, what did she say?”, I am asking you to report what you heard first hand. I would then be able to follow up with Mrs. Lucky regarding what she said, and what she might have been thinking.
“Most junior military members do not question orders unless they are clearly illegal.
They are taught to follow orders.”
Thirty years ago, maybe. These days, (and actually thirty years ago,as well) they were taught The Law of War, or Law of Armed Conflict, as it was when I was teaching it before I retired. How to tell if an order is lawful, and what to do if you receive what you think is an unlawful order.
Army may be a bit different in their training, but they do have very similar requirements. Blame Lt. Calley for that, as well.
WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
A guilty plea can also avoid trial.
My vote, until there is evidence showing otherwise, is ‘idiot’. His thought may have been to prevent the video from going viral and the family members seeing it and/or making the military look bad publicly and/or the muzzies using it as a recruiting tool and bragging/exploitation to advance their filth. I wish he hadn’t ordered the destruction of the videos, but I’m also saying that there are reasonable explanations that would have seemed rational at the time. Time will tell, that is, IF they investigate the non-com who gave the order.
“The military is not a democracy”
What’s the point of that comment? Everyone knows that.
You’ve added nothing of intelligence to the thread
The issue is a legal technical point.
Once in the public domain, it would be useful to the ragheads and something to rejoice over. I don’t agree with the order, but that may have been the thinking.
That’s what I want to know. Was this genius the one who birthed the idea to delete the video or was he ordered to give the order? If so, by whom and why?
What’s the law if you take a photo of a US base or personnel from a public place, not on the base?
Technically, it belongs to Uncle. Practically, unless they have stuff they didn't want you to see, like stealth fighters or UFO’s, it's usually not a problem. For example, if you go to base where they're having an air show, unless they tell you no cameras, it's ok. I've only seen a camera ban at an air show once, and that was because they had an F-117 on display, back when they were still very new.
Not at all true.
Soldiers and Marines should not obey illegal orders like these . Screw it , do what is right .
Change will only come thru strong resistance to the evil that is starting to pervade everything .
Yeah, shout out to his friend that was awarded The Congressional Medal of Honor when in fact he was awarded Congressional Medal of Freedom which carries as much weight as the “commander zero’s” Nobel Peace Prize.
I was interested in learning more about the transition team. I searched and found that it was part of the HSPI (Homeland Security Policy Institute), a think tank founded in 2003 and which is based in Washington, DC.
This particular task force that began its work in April of 2008, before Obama’s election, concluded in January of 2009.
Nidal Hasan’s name can be found on page 29 along with 27 other names with various titles, including US House of Representatives,US Department of Homeland Security, US Department of Justice. There are 36 pages in all. It’s an interesting read, but I don’t immediately see any direct connection to Obama.
http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/policy/HSPIPTTFProceedingsReport.pdf
If he’d refused to, but pretended to, and the videos had been used as evidence, Obama would have sent down the word that he be court-martialed.
I agree. One of the first thing the Republicans need to do is drag that worthless POS General George Casey before Congress to explain his comment that “the real tragedy” would be if people blamed Islam/Muslims for this act of cold, calculated murder.
Unlawful order.
Darn, he should have sent that video out to many others as soon as he had it. I haven’t read through the thread but this may be a lesson learned.
When something like this happens people should immediately send it out and others should start emailing it so it can’t be stopped.
You were well prepared with a good graphic.
That is one great graphic, Phil!
Thank you!
Potlatch...he was ordered to delete the video, but why wasn’t it in his SIM card? Wouldn’t it be saved there?
I haven’t read the thread...and am totally ignorant of such things.
LOL at me for asking such a dumb question. ;o)
Everything takes time.Sergeant may have been watching very closely to see the video was deleted. Sergeant should be charged.
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