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Desperate Days For Global Warm-ongers
IBD Editorials ^ | November 9, 2010 | Staff

Posted on 11/09/2010 6:09:09 PM PST by Kaslin

Environment: The United Nations wants $100 billion a year in taxes to deal with climate change. Two groups of researchers plan to go on the offensive against global warming "denialists." When will the madness end?

The U.N.'s craving for money it hasn't earned is insatiable. So it's no surprise that one of its panels has proposed to raise $100 billion a year from taxes on carbon dioxide emissions and international transportation, and possibly on financial transactions as well, to mitigate the effects of climate change.

This isn't the first time, of course, that the U.N. has proposed a global warming tax that would chill the world economy more than the Earth's temperatures. Taking $100 billion out of private hands and making it available to unelected bureaucrats who would channel money to unproductive, but politically favored, uses can't help but be a drag on growth.

Remember the Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill? Under different versions of that legislation, real aggregate GDP losses by 2035 ranged from $7.4 trillion to $9.4 trillion and job losses from 844,000 to 2.48 million a year.

Fighting global warming is not only useless, it's expensive.

At roughly the same time the U.N. announced this plan to dig deeper into our pockets, a group of researchers led by John Abraham of St. Thomas University in Minnesota said it was mobilizing a "climate rapid-response team" that would also mount a media campaign to defend its position.

The researchers, the Tribune News Service reports, are even willing to appear before "potentially hostile audiences on conservative talk radio and television shows."

According to Scott Mandia, a professor of physical sciences at Suffolk County Community College in New York, this team will "not only communicate science," but also "aggressively engage the denialists and politicians who attack climate science and its scientists."

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: agw; algorewarming; climatechange; deniers; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax

1 posted on 11/09/2010 6:09:11 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I liked the UN much better when most of the stories about it in the papers were about embezzling oil for food money and raping small children.


2 posted on 11/09/2010 6:13:15 PM PST by Mobties (Let the markets work! Reduce the government footprint!)
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To: Kaslin

FUUN.


3 posted on 11/09/2010 6:15:04 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: Kaslin
Two groups of researchers plan to go on the offensive against global warming "denialists."

Bring It On

4 posted on 11/09/2010 6:21:20 PM PST by bigheadfred (wogga la hooga)
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To: Kaslin
The United Nations wants $100 billion a year in taxes to deal with climate change.

One thing that must never happen is giving the UN the ability to lay taxes.

5 posted on 11/09/2010 6:22:20 PM PST by RJL
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To: Mobties
I liked the UN much better when most of the stories about it in the papers were about embezzling oil for food money and raping small children.

Just nuke it. A hiroshama-bomb will be adequate; anything bigger just eliminates too many Dem voters. Just relocate it to Harare where it belongs and I'll be happy.

6 posted on 11/09/2010 6:43:21 PM PST by Clint Williams ( America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s time for Americans to tell these so-called “scientists” to grow up and GET REAL JOBS! We can’t afford to carry these morons on our backs anymore. America is broke!


7 posted on 11/09/2010 6:45:06 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("In God We Trust", everyone else must show proof of citizenship.)
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To: Kaslin
The United Nations wants $100 billion a year in taxes to deal with climate change. to use as its own slush fund for graft.

There, corrected it.

8 posted on 11/09/2010 6:59:50 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I never understood the warmists insisting that mountains are warming to the degree that they are MELTING. A FRACTION of a degree over a century wouldn’t cause that. You’d have to take a blowtorch to make even the slightest difference to Antarctica. Can these pinkos tell the difference between minus 11 degrees and minus 10 degrees? Minnesota is still f@#@ing frozen in winter.


9 posted on 11/09/2010 7:13:33 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Kaslin

Related - check this out, Mission 2013 Carbon Sequestration:

http://igutek.scripts.mit.edu/terrascope/index.php?page=index


10 posted on 11/09/2010 7:43:58 PM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: MonicaG

From “The Solution” page of that website:

“...By this time, 2060, international policies and the international cap-and-trade system will be strict enough that emitting large amounts of CO2 will not be economically viable. Most energy will be produced using alternative or renewable energy technologies with emphasis on renewable energy generation. Those fossil-fuel plants still in operation will employ point source capture (pre-combustion capture, oxy-fuel combustion capture, post-combustion capture) technologies to eliminate CO2 emissions. Increased industrial efficiency and decreased wasteful consumption by the individual and corporate consumer would have helped stabilize and then zero emissions. The required research, development, and testing and necessary infrastructure essential for large-scale carbon capture, pipeline transportation, and sequestration operations will all be complete by this stage. Carbon will be captured at point sources and air capture plants and then transported via pipelines to the nearest site for sequestration. The primary methods of sequestration will continue to be saline aquifers, seabed, and in situ mineral sequestration.”


11 posted on 11/09/2010 7:49:57 PM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: Kaslin
November Arctic Cold Blast Forecast

November ?

12 posted on 11/09/2010 8:05:06 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Kaslin

BTTT!


13 posted on 11/09/2010 8:38:03 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; bigheadfred; Kaslin

They’re scared. Flop-sweat scared. It’s more than just the likelihood of their gravy train being cut off, there’s also this little matter of Congressional investigations into misuse of government funds.

It’s been noted before recently, literally all of these guys have raked in Federal grants and contracts for their work. Like the CRU emails, it wouldn’t take much digging to unearth the necessary evidence to send them all to the pokey for stealing taxpayer dollars.


14 posted on 11/09/2010 9:10:13 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Kaslin

Useless pest hole orginazation.

Shut them down.


15 posted on 11/09/2010 9:12:38 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: Kaslin

I can’t even imagine the corrupt pygmies at the UN with $100bil to spend as they wish.


16 posted on 11/09/2010 9:17:13 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Defund National Peoples Radio!! Democrats are for free speech. Just not for you.)
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To: justa-hairyape
November Arctic Cold Blast Forecast

I've lived in Orlando for twenty years and haven't seen the cold temperatures we've had the past few days this early in the season the whole time I've been here.

Maybe we get 40s-60s the very end of Dec or early January. But not the first week of November.

17 posted on 11/09/2010 9:22:59 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Defund National Peoples Radio!! Democrats are for free speech. Just not for you.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
We are gonna need another El Nino to get out of this winter. We are still only half way to neutral solar activity. Still cooling.


18 posted on 11/09/2010 9:39:13 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: VeniVidiVici

...corrupt pygmies at the UN...


LOL. I’m stealing that!


19 posted on 11/09/2010 10:16:07 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: justa-hairyape

Noooo! One cold winter was enough. We froze our collective bottoms off this past winter. :-0

I looked into this sunspot/cold correlation once in school. I think I remember the years 1911-1914 being similar to what’s happening now. Does this ring any bells with you?


20 posted on 11/09/2010 10:38:54 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Defund National Peoples Radio!! Democrats are for free speech. Just not for you.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Found this chart on an Accuweather blog page via a google search.

1911-1914 is a close match, but looking at these charts I would have to guess that the solar cycle in 1790 is similar to cycle 23 followed by the cycle in 1805 (solar cycle 5) that may be similar to cycle 24. A fairly strong cycle followed by an extended minimum and a peak that is around 50. So our current winter should be similar to 1802-1803 winters. That would be similar to the start of Dalton Minimum territory.


21 posted on 11/09/2010 11:02:28 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
I think this guy also agrees. He goes into some detail analysis.

From his web page Laymen's Sunspot Count.

My predictions show that SC24 will be similar to SC5. The same Solar system forces are in play at similar timings and strength (SC24 perhaps showing a stronger disruption strength, which indicates that SC24 should be a smaller cycle than SC5). This graph using the SIDC monthly count from Jan 1798 will compare the Layman's Count from Jan 2008. The Layman's Count is the only count that can properly compare with the old SIDC (Wolf) measures. SC14 has been added for interest (starts Jan 1901) all 3 records beginning at the end of their previous cycle (where the downramp meets the bottom). The unsmoothed numbers showing the big swings in SC14.

You are probably referring to Solar Cycle 14 from the early 1900's. So 24 could be similar to either 5 or 14. Interesting. See the approximate 10 cycle intervals. Cycle 5 or Cycle 14 compared to Cycle 24.

22 posted on 11/09/2010 11:10:03 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Kaslin

Seems like defunding the UN, or at least paring it down to a couple million bucks a year maximum is another no brainer way to save money. Between the ‘human rights’ nonsense and the Gorebal Warmers we are funding people who are doing far more harm than good. Why continue?


23 posted on 11/10/2010 4:21:01 AM PST by Da Mav
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To: SaraJohnson
LOL. I’m stealing that!

My pleasure :-) They give pygmies everywhere a bad name.

24 posted on 11/10/2010 7:17:39 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Defund National Peoples Radio!! Democrats are for free speech. Just not for you.)
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To: boop

When I was in New Mexico back in April, the mountains were obviously melting.


25 posted on 11/10/2010 7:41:07 AM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: oyez
the mountains were obviously melting.

You shouldn't have eaten that cactus.

26 posted on 11/10/2010 2:10:48 PM PST by bigheadfred (wogga la hooga)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
a group of researchers led by John Abraham of St. Thomas University in Minnesota said it was mobilizing a "climate rapid-response team" that would also mount a media campaign to defend its position... According to Scott Mandia, a professor of physical sciences at Suffolk County Community College in New York, this team will "not only communicate science," but also "aggressively engage the denialists and politicians who attack climate science and its scientists."
Those who deny that the climate is 100 percent natural 100 percent of the time *are* the denialists, and their view are 100 percent political in origin, with no scientific basis whatsoever. The attacks, so to speak, against their positions are self-defense, and should involve keeping them under constant litigation over their fraud, breaking their tenure, and getting them blackballed, and their phony research banned. Thanks Kaslin for the topic and neverdem for the link.


27 posted on 11/10/2010 3:33:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: bigheadfred

That caused a Hellova’ case of indigestion, too.


28 posted on 11/10/2010 6:24:26 PM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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