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Experts: Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile - WND Video
WND ^ | 11/20/10 | WND

Posted on 11/21/2010 11:45:59 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast – and recorded by a KCBS television crew – came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are raising provocative and disturbing questions about the government's official response, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Two governmental military experts with extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems have examined the television video and conclude the mysterious contrail originating some 30 miles off the coast near Los Angeles did not come from a jet – but rather, they say the exhaust and the billowing plume emanated from a single source nozzle of a missile, probably made in China.

They further suggest the missile was fired from a submerged Chinese nuclear submarine off America's coast, and point out that the timing of the alleged Chinese missile shot coincided with an increasing confrontation between the U.S. and China, and was likely meant to send a message to Washington.

Indeed, the Federal Aviation Administration documents that there were no aircraft flying in the area at that time, the night of Nov. 8.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: california; californiamissile; chat; china; contrail; missile; missilemystery; mysterymissile; nationaldefense; tinfoilbrigade; ups902; worldnutdaily
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A total cover up by the Obama administration. How many people have already forgotten about this missile launched 35 miles off of the coast of California. Check out this video. This guy hates America and would probably love for something to happen to the USA. All one has to do is look at what he says and does!...
1 posted on 11/21/2010 11:46:03 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

If the missile came from China, and they loaded it with chemicals instead of a nuclear warhead, Obama has already signaled that he will would not respond with a nuclear strike. Obama invites this kind of thing. Idiot.


2 posted on 11/21/2010 11:54:26 AM PST by fhayek
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

bookmark


3 posted on 11/21/2010 11:58:56 AM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

The new Congress needs to look into this. If it was a missle, tell us. We can handle the truth but lies will get them fired.


4 posted on 11/21/2010 12:01:44 PM PST by RC2
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Total complete BS. A typical WND BS story.

It was USAirlines/America West flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix. There is definitive radar track of it.

The supposed rocket exhaust was a regularly expanding density contrail.

The supposed rocket flame was simple reflection of the setting sun off the polished aluminum of the underside of the a/c, especially the wings. Note that the color temperature is the same as the reflection off the clouds.

After the video stops, hundreds of people reported they watched it continue northeast bound overhead.

The videographer who shot it said in a broadcast interview that he has seen this a number of times.

Multiple airline pilots who fly routinely west TRANSPAC at sunset say it is a routine illusion.

There were hundreds of commercial fishing and pleasure boats in the supposed launch area. The Shuttle is so loud it wakes us up 55 miles from the KSC. Boaters heard and saw nothing.

The geosynchronous orbit DSP satellites would have easily detected the IR of any launch. They are so sensitive, they routinely give false alarms over major POL fires. They saw nothing.

It's BS.... and WND knows it.

Any entity continuing to spread this BS is doing us all a disservice.

5 posted on 11/21/2010 12:04:12 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

PS, even more BS

#1; FAA has supplied copies of the IFR radar track of the A/C.

#2: “Experts” are two lower ranking retired guys with no access to current dats.

Total BS.... and Joe Farrah knows it.


6 posted on 11/21/2010 12:08:16 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
More Farrah BS, His so-called experts “suggest.” Typical journalistic weasel words.
7 posted on 11/21/2010 12:10:17 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: MindBender26
A typical WND BS story

Reminiscent of the days of Ash, Michael Rivero, black helicopters, photos of secret compounds housing scores of white unmarked vans, never used detention camps......the list goes on. LOL!

A friend in NZ is trying to convince me the BP oil rig was taken out by a North Korean mini-sub........

8 posted on 11/21/2010 12:17:16 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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To: MindBender26

Total BS.... and Joe Farrah knows it

Why would the FAA issue a NOTAM and the navy clear the ships out of an area for a Chinese missile launch?


9 posted on 11/21/2010 12:21:19 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: MindBender26
You say it was traveling “northeast” bound. It appeared to me to be traveling northwest. Either way, when viewed over the ocean off the Los Angeles coast, would that be the normal direction of the flight you specified?
10 posted on 11/21/2010 12:22:07 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Experts: Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile
 
11/20/2010 12:48:03 PM PST · by editor-surveyor · 143 replies
WND ^ | November 20, 2010 | Joseph Farah
Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast – and recorded by a KCBS television crew – came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are raising provocative and disturbing questions about the government's official response, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin. Two governmental military experts with extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems have examined the television video and conclude the mysterious contrail originating some 30 miles off the coast near...
 

Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile
 
11/19/2010 7:53:53 PM PST · by righttackle44 · 58 replies
World Net Daily ^ | November 19, 2010 | Staff
Editor's Note: The following report is excerpted from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium online newsletter published by the founder of WND. Subscriptions are $99 a year or, for monthly trials, just $9.95 per month for credit card users, and provide instant access for the complete reports. Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast – and recorded by a KCBS television crew – came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are...
 

Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile
 
11/19/2010 7:53:53 PM PST · by righttackle44 · 58 replies
World Net Daily ^ | November 19, 2010 | Staff
Editor's Note: The following report is excerpted from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium online newsletter published by the founder of WND. Subscriptions are $99 a year or, for monthly trials, just $9.95 per month for credit card users, and provide instant access for the complete reports. Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast – and recorded by a KCBS television crew – came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are...
 

Experts: Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile
 
11/19/2010 5:19:18 PM PST · by conservativegramma · 247 replies
World Net Daily ^ | November 19, 2010 | Joseph Farah
'Muted response' was decision 'made by the president himself' Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast – and recorded by a KCBS television crew – came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are raising provocative and disturbing questions about the government's official response, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin. Two governmental military experts with extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems have examined the television video and conclude the mysterious...
 

11 posted on 11/21/2010 12:24:16 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: MindBender26

Total BS.... and Joe Farrah knows it.....................”You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!” s/. ;o)


12 posted on 11/21/2010 12:28:10 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: mountainlion
Why would the FAA issue a NOTAM and the navy clear the ships out of an area for a Chinese missile launch?

Are you saying there was or was not a a NOTAM and/or Notice to Mariners?

13 posted on 11/21/2010 12:37:51 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Years ago, I was in the Antelope Valley and saw some sort of rocket launched from Vandenberg, about the same time of day as this. What made that launch so memorable was the direction it was heading, the appearance of traveling from west to east. I can't remember what type of rocket or what the goal was, but the appearance of that video was identical to what I saw that day.
14 posted on 11/21/2010 12:38:14 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Rational Thought

SW to NE.

The illusion makes it look NW bound.


15 posted on 11/21/2010 12:39:15 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: MindBender26
Agreed - another piece from a nut job website that does not do conservatives any favors.

In looking at the flight tracking data, it was IMO probably a UPS MD-11 from Hawaii to Ontario, California. Given its altitude, the plane was still far west of Catalina Island when the video and photos were shot at around 5:15 p.m. to 5:20 p.m. US Air Flight 808 was directly over Catalina shortly after 5:00 p.m. and would have probably been in the vicinity of Palm Springs by that time.

Since the “missile” was heading east, where did it land??

16 posted on 11/21/2010 12:40:36 PM PST by CALawyer
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To: MindBender26

Okay. But, Phoenix is southeast of Los Angeles, not northeast.


17 posted on 11/21/2010 12:42:30 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
You do realize that the "evidence" here is the same class of evidence that we ridicule the climate-change crowd for?
18 posted on 11/21/2010 12:44:37 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The people who hate Sarah Palin hate her because they know that her Presidency is inevitable.)
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To: fhayek

If the missile came from China, and they loaded it with chemicals instead of a nuclear warhead, Obama has already signaled that he will would not respond with a nuclear strike. Obama invites this kind of thing. Idiot.
__________________________________________________________

Obama should be tried for treason and locked up for the rest of his life!

Obama is the enemy of America!


19 posted on 11/21/2010 12:49:46 PM PST by Artcore
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To: Hot Tabasco
BTW, there's much more basis for the Korean mini-sub than there is for this to be a missile (which it's not ~ it's a plane).

The North Koreans SELL mini-subs that could very well penetrate the casual defense perimeter we mount around our Gulf of Mexico oil wells.

All it'd have to do is DROP a plain old gravity bomb to do the job. It'd be away and gone long before any damage was done.

On the other hand, follow-up examination reveals that to be a natural gas related event.

The "missile" story is still an airplane. Ain't no doubt about that ~ and if there's any "conspiracy" involved it circles the questions of why CBS produced two different C&P videos based on the original video. Makes it look like they wanted people to believe there'd been a missile.

20 posted on 11/21/2010 12:52:43 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Of course it was a missile. And it was fired away from the mainland because in the Asian mind this is not to be seen as an act of war but more of a message.

The message was:

1. We can do this. Whenever we want.

2. You are powerless to do anything about it.

3. In fact, you are so powerless, you will have to lie to your people about what it was because they would undoubtedly be so outraged they would demand you do something but you could do nothing.

21 posted on 11/21/2010 12:54:12 PM PST by riri
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To: Hot Tabasco
Thanks for the reminders about Ash and company. Now the "black helicopters" are a different story. Seems the US Department of Defense and the State Department, the major users of "fleet helicopters", got into the habit of REMOVING all US government markings on surplus equipment, and then painting it black before sale.

It was quite a regular thing around here for them to fly "black helicopters" from the Pentagon, Navy Yard, Belvoir, bases in Maryland and so on Down to Quantico for "auction". Frankly I had a difficult time getting my mind around the idea that there weren't "black helicopters" somewhere since we saw them all the time ~ but we knew what they were and where they were going and why. The FBI has its training center at Quantico, which is otherwise a Marine Base.

22 posted on 11/21/2010 12:57:14 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I saw a missile but it was really only cool for less than a minute. Yeah, I filmed the smoke plume after the boost stages for around 8-9 minutes too, but I thought that was boring and so it must never, ever be shown. I’ll only ever show that minute, and I’ll edit it too. It needed editing for some reason, I don’t know why, I just felt like it, secret missile footage just isn’t as cool without editing for some reason.

Freegards


23 posted on 11/21/2010 12:57:18 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: riri
BTW, careful examination of the video regarding the clouds at the bottom reveals that IF that were a missile it was about ONE MILE WIDE.

You do realize NOBODY has 'em that big.

24 posted on 11/21/2010 12:59:27 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: CALawyer
Planes vary from their schedules depending on the wind and unanticipated traffic. Having flown enough (several million miles) I know that you can't count on airline arrival times ~ that's why they focus on departure times as a way to evaluate performance.

It's not even worth wearing a watch ~~ it'll just make you anxious.

25 posted on 11/21/2010 1:02:36 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Rational Thought

Great circle route, WX and ATC concerns.

Remember, one of the places ATC loves to take you in if you are overflying a major airport is 25,000 feet plus over that airport, because all the local traffic is down at 10,000 or less.


26 posted on 11/21/2010 1:26:21 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: CALawyer
Since the “missile” was heading east, where did it land??

Ontario airport.....;-)

I looked at www.passur.com for 11/8, backtarcked to the right time, and there is UPS902. And guess what? It makes a small turn to the right as it descends. And lo and behold, if you watch the video, you see the plane turn and the contrail vanish as it drops down in altitude.

It is so damn easy to work through this, and now idiots are claiming "no record of any flights" to prop up their missile conspiracy ideas. Unbelievable......

27 posted on 11/21/2010 2:12:59 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: MindBender26

Are you saying there was or was not a a NOTAM and/or Notice to Mariners?
A guy looked up the NOTAM and Notice to Mariners on a radio show. I Am just being sarcastic to the Commie sub guys asking why would we issue a notices to their launch.


28 posted on 11/21/2010 2:15:58 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: MindBender26

Are you saying there was or was not a a NOTAM and/or Notice to Mariners?
A guy looked up the NOTAM and Notice to Mariners on a radio show. I Am just being sarcastic to the Commie sub guys asking why would we issue a notices to their launch.


29 posted on 11/21/2010 2:18:21 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: MindBender26
“It was USAirlines/America West flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix. There is definitive radar track of it”

You read this on the internet, so it must be true!

It just took the Pentagon and NORAD several days to figure this out and put together this story with all those supporting witnesses,since it looks like the Americawest crew is too busy to appear and show/confirm their flight plan.

My God, call the DoD and offer your services, you may avert WW4.

30 posted on 11/21/2010 3:14:27 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Rational Thought

stop with the logical observations, you tinfoil-hat wearing fool
sarc


31 posted on 11/21/2010 3:15:57 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: mountainlion

There is a standing NOTAM for the area, reissued every week.


32 posted on 11/21/2010 3:19:53 PM PST by gandalftb (OK State, 10-1, Go Cowboys! Beat OK)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

It was really Batboy, but Obummer wants to cover it up. (Something about Batboy’s connection to Sasquatch. You know how touchy they are about Sasquatch these days!)


33 posted on 11/21/2010 3:22:52 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: silverleaf
What's funny is most of us who saw this video thought it looked like a missile. The Government responded, “we don't know what it was, but it's not a threat”. It wasn't until the next day that we were told by Government it was some sort of passenger jet.

Skeptical? Well, this explanation came from the same Government who tells us terrorist attacks on our soil are not terrorist attacks, the border is more secure now than ever, Global Warming is a proven fact (caused by man), and with a leader who claims that our economy has improved.

So, why would anyone be skeptical of their explanation of what our lying eyes told us was a missile?

34 posted on 11/21/2010 3:33:56 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: gandalftb
How about the Naval closure?
35 posted on 11/21/2010 3:36:16 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Rational Thought

if General Tom McInerney (combat pilot) said it was not a contrail, I believe him. One of the smartest generals in the USAF in his time.


36 posted on 11/21/2010 4:00:38 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Rational Thought
So you bothered listening to government blathering?

I started asking questions about the reality of the CBS claims ~ to wit, that it looked like a missile launch.

Didn't look like one to me ~ not even from the beginning. It was pretty obviously a jet coming over LA on its way to another airport ~ the contrails were spectacular, and in that clear air you could see way across the Pacific.

37 posted on 11/21/2010 4:29:11 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: mountainlion

Not aware of any other than the standing, off limits areas.


38 posted on 11/21/2010 5:23:54 PM PST by gandalftb (OK State, 10-1, Go Cowboys! Beat OK)
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To: MindBender26
There is definitive radar track of it.

Link please. You'll be the first one to show it.

After the video stops, hundreds of people reported they watched it continue northeast bound overhead.

Link please. You'll be the first one to post it on FR.

The videographer who shot it said in a broadcast interview that he has seen this a number of times.

Link please. Again, you will be the first to post it here.

39 posted on 11/21/2010 6:38:51 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: CALawyer
In looking at the flight tracking data, it was IMO probably a UPS MD-11 from Hawaii to Ontario, California. Given its altitude, the plane was still far west of Catalina Island when the video and photos were shot at around 5:15 p.m. to 5:20 p.m.

UPS902 was over Catalina Island at 17:31:33. Its altitude was ~ 30,000 feet. It was 35 miles south of Long Beach at 17:33:01. Altitude ~ 29,000 feet. It was then 20 miles south of Costa Mesa at 17:34:29 at ~ 29,000 feet.

Data gathered from Airport Monitor Bob Hope Airport

40 posted on 11/21/2010 6:51:04 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

Far from it. Been all over the net.

Go to Flight Aware website for day in question for radar and flight track.

Go to LA TV station old news video for interviews of both pilot and others.

Also, use your common sense.


41 posted on 11/21/2010 7:50:38 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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42 posted on 11/21/2010 7:51:26 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: TigersEye

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX


43 posted on 11/21/2010 7:55:32 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: silverleaf

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX


44 posted on 11/21/2010 7:56:14 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: MindBender26

The radar track shows it flying over Santa Catalina island, which is significantly south of the area where the missile was sighted.


45 posted on 11/21/2010 8:06:03 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: mountainlion

The NOTAM area was south and west, which was outside of the area where the missile was sighted.


46 posted on 11/21/2010 8:07:47 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: MindBender26
Go to LA TV station old news video for interviews of both pilot and others.

I have and here are the only two interviews with the pilot, Gil Leyvas, that I have found. "Others" aren't the pilot and that is who you made the claim about. The pilot did not say what you claim he did unless you have another interview with him than these.

Here is the full transcript from Gil Leyvas' first interview.

Actually, the exact words of cameraman Gil Leyvas in this CBS 2 TV Los Angeles news broadcast of Nov. 9, regarding the object Leyvas filmed on Nov. 8:

"It was unique, it was moving, it was growing in the sky. As I zoomed in I used a two-times extender on the lens to get a closer look, and you could tell that the object, whatever it was, was spriraling up in the sky. You could see the clouds were kind of swirling and as I zoomed in and got tighter on it, it appeared that it was spinning and going in a westerly direction.

"Well, I realized that it was something that we saw earlier from the week before -- we saw something very similar the past Thursday, and immediately I realized that it was something very similar, and called on the 2-way there to our assignment desk to let them know that we were seeing it again. It's not as dramatic as the one from yesterday -- the one from yesterday was pretty spectacular. Like I said, it was growing in nature and continued to fly up into the sky, and at one point it seemed to separate. The smoke or the plume seemed to stop and then continue further up in the sky and then finally disappear."

Here is is second interview. Gil Leyvas 2nd interview w/WYMT-TV

Also, use your common sense.

You first.

47 posted on 11/21/2010 9:04:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: hedgetrimmer; mountainlion
That is true, there was no NOTAM that day but there was this.

November 6, 2010 Notice for National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (via NOAA and US Coast Guard):

434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL’S
Messages in force 281230Z October 2010:
2010 series 424(18) 431(GEN) 434(18)
403(19) 430(19) 433(19) 435(18,83)
NM 45/10 SECTION III
III-1.8
SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
4. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 427/10.

That must limit the number of private vessels in the area that people keep saying must have been there.

48 posted on 11/21/2010 9:10:42 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: MindBender26
You will find more specifics on the flight than arrival, departure and a vague map here. Airport Monitor Bob Hope Airport

Flight AWE808 was over Catalina Island at 17:01:39 on November 8th. Then crossed over the California main coastline at 17:06:00.

49 posted on 11/21/2010 9:20:40 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
FYI - Check out this article by retired Brigadier General Jim Cash. He actually worked at NORAD Cheyenne Mountain as a Command Director. His opinions were used in the World Net Daily article. Extra information in his full article. This linked article below was first released middle of week. Do not know where. Now published online. And note the comments. Already have two Contrail Science Zombies posting drivel. Might be a postable article for FreeRepublic. No copyright limitations that I could see. Too busy myself.

L.A. contrail a missile launch? Retired general thinks so

50 posted on 11/21/2010 10:38:02 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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