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ATF attempting to reclassify small arms ammunition without public input
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | November 26, 2010 | David Codrea

Posted on 11/27/2010 3:30:20 PM PST by Neil E. Wright

“Recently, the NFATCA took the lead on an issue that could have far-reaching consequences in the NFA and Sporting communities,” the National Firearms Act Trade & Collectors Association reports.

What issue?

It was learned that ATF was seeking to create a definition of small arms ammunition under the aegis of the Safe Explosives Act. The definition was being created as an opinion letter and had no input from the firearms community.

Why is a revised definition needed? What is the impetus behind this effort to increase the Bureau’s regulatory control reach? And why exclude the people who it would compel compliance from under force of law?

What’s the immediate danger?

[I]t could have arrived as a declaration that all ammunition above .50 caliber would now be classified as an explosive.

That means that there would be a whole new slew of regulations and licensing requirements—including potentially for currently-owned property. Why?

NFATCA tells us they learned of this and “arranged for a meeting” with ATF brass and its representatives, along with representatives of “NRA, SAAMI, Safari Club International and the NSSF.”

A “working group” has been established. A pledge of sorts to “make certain that ‘we get this right’” has been made, and we’re told to expect progress updates.

So: crisis averted, our leaders are on the job and we can go back to sleep now, right?

Not so fast. Let’s take a closer look.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


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1 posted on 11/27/2010 3:30:23 PM PST by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright

Shot Shells?


2 posted on 11/27/2010 3:33:32 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: screaminsunshine

Maybe we shouldn’t tell them that a 12 gauge is bigger than .50 cal....shhhhh!


3 posted on 11/27/2010 3:36:00 PM PST by Zarro (Hands off Our Junk!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

4 posted on 11/27/2010 3:36:19 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

YO ATF ... maybe we should reclassify ammo in the following categories ...

SMALL enough to Blow your JUNK OFF
Small enough to kill a RAT
Big enough to make an ATF agent SAy ...yes, SIR!!


5 posted on 11/27/2010 3:37:17 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (OFFICER... when the TSA agent regains Consciousness.. Arrest him for Sexual Assault!)
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To: Zarro

**Maybe we shouldn’t tell them ...**

that’s probably why they picked 50

Wouldn’t surprise me one bit.


6 posted on 11/27/2010 3:38:51 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (OFFICER... when the TSA agent regains Consciousness.. Arrest him for Sexual Assault!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

They’re getting desperate and jumping the shark at every turn, aren’t they?


7 posted on 11/27/2010 3:39:59 PM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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To: Neil E. Wright

my question still..
Why a Bureau of Alcohol tobacco and firearms

WHEN ALL 3 are LEGAL???


8 posted on 11/27/2010 3:40:35 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (OFFICER... when the TSA agent regains Consciousness.. Arrest him for Sexual Assault!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

It’s long past time for Congress to take apart some of these unelected regulatory bodies and give us back our freedom.


9 posted on 11/27/2010 3:44:24 PM PST by hometoroost (From Hope and Change to Gropin' Some Strange)
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To: hometoroost

“It’s long past time for Congress to take apart some of these unelected regulatory bodies and give us back our freedom.”

We’ll see just what the new congress does. Most politicians, after they’re in Washington a few months, seem to forget about the rights of the people.


10 posted on 11/27/2010 3:55:30 PM PST by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: Neil E. Wright

Most of these so-called “gun rights” organizations are simply the latest incarnations of Felix Dzherzinski’s genious.


11 posted on 11/27/2010 3:56:35 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Neil E. Wright
.50 caliber would now be classified as an explosive.

Do they explode?

12 posted on 11/27/2010 3:56:47 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I wondered why my trigger finger was overly itchy this morning when I woke up.


13 posted on 11/27/2010 3:57:20 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: gwilhelm56
Why a Bureau of Alcohol tobacco and firearms

WHEN ALL 3 are LEGAL???

To create another bureaucratic regulatory agency to create more thumb pressure on us creators of wealth so we have to feed the takers of wealth more whether we want to or not.

We need caretakers to save us from ourselves.

14 posted on 11/27/2010 4:06:55 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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Small arms ammo is a propellent...not an explosive


15 posted on 11/27/2010 4:14:42 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (It is going to be Foot to Ass combat on election day....my foot and a Rat's ass.)
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To: gwilhelm56
my question still..
Why a Bureau of Alcohol tobacco and firearms

WHEN ALL 3 are LEGAL???

And all three carry ridiculously high federal excise taxes. BATFE is the enforcement arm charged with collecting the taxes. Our good 'ol red neck friends refer to them as "revenours". Short barreled rifles, sawed off shotguns, machine guns, suppressors, 20mm rifles all are legally owned by private citizens provided you buy the necessary tax stamps.

Regards,
GtG

PS Bet you didn't think there was an answer to your question. Not a good answer but it'll have to do. I always thought BATFE sounded like one hell of a party if you'd throw in a couple bags of chips...

16 posted on 11/27/2010 4:22:58 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

bflr


17 posted on 11/27/2010 4:24:58 PM PST by FourPeas (Pester not the geek, for the electrons are his friends.)
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To: dljordan
You are unfortunately correct. As the slimy Trent Lott said, "They need to be co-opted", and the Beltway is perfectly designed to corrupt and co-opt them.

"If ya do what we want, you'll have this lil' privilege, and you know there's these hot lil' chicks over here who want you." Etc, etc, .....get something on them....got something on you, so you better shut up.

1994 all over again? I hope not. But, probably. We got a Republican President and Congress, and what did we get? A 50% increase in the size of gubmint. Should I be more optimistic this time around? Maybe I should be, but I'm not.

18 posted on 11/27/2010 4:27:33 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: hometoroost
unelected regulatory bodies and give us back our freedom.

Freedom is never given, it has to be taken.

19 posted on 11/27/2010 4:29:10 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Obama treats terrorists with kid gloves, American Citizens with rubber gloves)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Lots and lots of things will explode.

What about muzzleloaders? Some of those are .54 which is above 50 caliber. Why is something above 50 an explosive and those below not when an explosion is a chemical reaction, not a function of size.


20 posted on 11/27/2010 4:35:05 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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