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Narcissism No Longer a Psychiatric Disorder (President no longer clinically insane!)
NYT ^ | 11/29/2010 | Tara Parker-Pope

Posted on 11/30/2010 9:17:03 AM PST by mojito

Narcissistic personality disorder, characterized by an inflated sense of self-importance and the need for constant attention, has been eliminated from the upcoming manual of mental disorders, which psychiatrists use to diagnose mental illness.

As Charles Zanor reports in today’s Science Times, the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders — due out in 2013 and known as D.S.M.-5 — has eliminated five of the 10 personality disorders that are listed in the current edition. The best known of these is narcissistic personality disorder.

It is a puzzle why the manual’s committee on personality disorders has decided to throw N.P.D. off the bus.

(Excerpt) Read more at well.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: academicbias; boyking; culturewar; disorder; everybodydoesit; impeachmentdefense; junkscience; narcissism; narcissist; narcissistic; npd; obama; obamatruthfile; personality; pride; pseudoscience; psychiatric; psychiatry; quacks; serialkillers; shrinks
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Pressure from the WH? So many other things have been thrown under the bus, why not this?
1 posted on 11/30/2010 9:17:09 AM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

2 posted on 11/30/2010 9:20:52 AM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: mojito
"It is a puzzle why the manual’s committee on personality disorders has decided to throw N.P.D. off the bus"

3 posted on 11/30/2010 9:21:55 AM PST by ari-freedom (Islam is at war against America, while America is at the mall.)
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To: mojito

Ha! Rush just opened his show with this story!


4 posted on 11/30/2010 9:22:13 AM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: mojito
It's the liberal/Affirmative Action way...if you can't clear the hurdle...LOWER THE BAR.

It's the left gaming the system...


5 posted on 11/30/2010 9:22:19 AM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: mojito

LOL Next, they will eliminate:

Hillary(stab-me-in-the-back)-derangement-syndrome, Rahm (dead fish)-Clintonista-paranoia, Christian-gun-clinging-redneck phobia, and visceral-Constitutional aversion malady.


6 posted on 11/30/2010 9:22:33 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: mojito

What about hoarders (a year’s fuel/food/entertainment/ammo(well 10 yr)/etc. supply)?


7 posted on 11/30/2010 9:23:21 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: mojito

Once something becomes common among leftists, it no longer qualifies as a mental illness.


8 posted on 11/30/2010 9:24:42 AM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: mojito

You will notice that depression still qualifies as a mental illness.

The reason: leftists are quite happy with the misery they bring into the world

As a result, depression is not common among leftists.


9 posted on 11/30/2010 9:25:57 AM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: mojito

All Obama jesting aside. Do we need any further proof that psychiatrists are quacks?


10 posted on 11/30/2010 9:27:10 AM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Soothesayer

If crazy people don’t know they are crazy, how could we expect them to tell if other people are crazy?


11 posted on 11/30/2010 9:28:17 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: mojito

People with personality disorders are not insane. Obama meets 8 of the 9 criteria for NPD. I looked at the DSM-IV for Antisocial Persoanlity Disorder (AKA Sociopath) and Obama meets more than the 3 criteria to be considered one.


12 posted on 11/30/2010 9:30:42 AM PST by Ptarmigan (God Hates Bunnies.)
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To: eclecticEel

A lot of them are crazy themselves.


13 posted on 11/30/2010 9:36:24 AM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: Stillwaters
What in the world?

>snip<

One of the sharpest critics of the DSM committee on personality disorders is a Harvard psychiatrist, Dr. John Gunderson, an old lion in the field of personality disorders and the person who led the personality disorders committee for the current manual.

Asked what he thought about the elimination of narcissistic personality disorder, he said it showed how “unenlightened” the personality disorders committee is.

They have little appreciation for the damage they could be doing.” He said the diagnosis is important in terms of organizing and planning treatment.

“It’s draconian,” he said of the decision, “and the first of its kind, I think, that half of a group of disorders are eliminated by committee.”

Later in the article it quotes Jonathan Shedler as saying "The committee was stacked with a lot of academic researchers who really don’t do a lot of clinical work." That seems apparent. Also, a careful reading of the article doesn't reveal what the other 4 personality disorders are that the DSM V eliminates.

14 posted on 11/30/2010 9:37:22 AM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: mojito

Do the “committe” members have names? Shame and embarassment do have a purpose.

I guess the faceless “committee” doesn’t believe in the science like the OweBama regime demands.?


15 posted on 11/30/2010 9:37:55 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: onyx

This will interest the good Dr. O


16 posted on 11/30/2010 9:40:49 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: mojito

This really is bizarre.

It reminds me of the strange coincidence that everywhere he went, Bill Clinton was surrounded by dead bodies.

Just a coincidence, of course.


17 posted on 11/30/2010 9:40:51 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: mojito

If NPD is not a mental disorder, then why is Obama still on meds?


18 posted on 11/30/2010 9:41:14 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_ipthe_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: mojito

This was done by a committee.
Interesting to see who the members were.
It appears that the last time a category was
discarded was 23 years ago.
This is not a coincidence.
Barry is textbook, which is obviously why they declassified it- to protect him.

“Many experts in the field are not happy about it…
One of the sharpest critics of the D.S.M. committee on personality disorders is a Harvard psychiatrist, Dr. John Gunderson, ..”

Dr Gunderson is an expert in the field of personality disorders
and he is outraged.
He said the committee was “unenlightened” about
personality disorders.
“They have little appreciation for the damage they could be doing.”
“ He said the diagnosis is important in terms of organizing and planning treatment.”


19 posted on 11/30/2010 9:49:42 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: mojito

Pressure from the WH, but it’s not about the President.
I suspect that you will see many ICD-9 codes disappearing as Obamacare takes effect.

If it’s not a disorder, they don’t have to pay for the treatment of it.


20 posted on 11/30/2010 9:54:03 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: Soothesayer

I think you just nailed it.


21 posted on 11/30/2010 9:59:21 AM PST by MissTed ( Do women in burqas have fun tagging each other in Facebook photos?)
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To: lonevoice

Same committee who decided homosexuality was A-OK because ,,,well, because queers didn’t mind it.

Narcissists think they are A-OK too....maybe even way cool.

/sarc


22 posted on 11/30/2010 10:00:36 AM PST by Adder (Part 1 Accomplished)
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To: Soothesayer

Maybe some leftists have actually decided that narcissists aren’t crazy, they’re just evil.

Next up, conduct disorder? Maybe there really is such a thing as a bad kid.


23 posted on 11/30/2010 10:03:53 AM PST by heartwood
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To: netmilsmom

Any thoughts on the emphasis placed on building “self-esteem” in the last 20-30 years?


24 posted on 11/30/2010 10:04:25 AM PST by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan. Pray the Rosary)
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To: mojito
It worked for the fags!

When the inmates are running the asylum they just declare themselves sane, and everyone sane insane.

25 posted on 11/30/2010 10:05:45 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: MSSC6644

>>Any thoughts on the emphasis placed on building “self-esteem” in the last 20-30 years?<<

Hasn’t helped with NPD at all.


26 posted on 11/30/2010 10:05:48 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: mhking

Just d@mn!


27 posted on 11/30/2010 10:08:38 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: heartwood
Maybe some leftists have actually decided that narcissists aren’t crazy, they’re just evil.

Guaranteed you couldn't find a committee of psychiatrists who believe in the existence of evil.

28 posted on 11/30/2010 10:11:41 AM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: mojito
Obama is on TV again. Seems like every day. I don't remember past presidents doing this.
29 posted on 11/30/2010 10:12:46 AM PST by opentalk
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To: mojito; Revolting cat!; JoeProBono; Slings and Arrows
"FABULOUS!"
30 posted on 11/30/2010 10:18:27 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: mojito; Revolting cat!; JoeProBono; Slings and Arrows; The Comedian
"FABULOUS!"


31 posted on 11/30/2010 10:18:57 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: mojito; wagglebee

Defining deviancy downwards, yet again...

“As Charles Zanor reports in today’s Science Times, the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders — due out in 2013 and known as D.S.M.-5 — has eliminated five of the 10 personality disorders that are listed in the current edition. The best known of these is narcissistic personality disorder.”


32 posted on 11/30/2010 10:20:25 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Soothesayer

If depression were no longer a mental illness, they couldn’t get insurance/government to pick up the tabs on their meds anymore.


33 posted on 11/30/2010 10:21:43 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: netmilsmom

The insurance companies typically do not pay for some personality disorders already because there is no treatment that works. There is no treatment or cure for narcissistic personality disorder or sociopathic personality disorder. They used to say the same for Borderline Personality Disorder but now there is, not a cure, but a mitigating treatment that helps them get along in our society without actually removing or curing their illness.

So there are (IMHO) diagnosable illness and no treatment or cure for them. I suspect it is getting ‘ready’ for Obamacare that ‘untreatable’ illnesses will not ‘even have a code’ so that the public won’t add them to the list of other treatable illness that Obamacare will refuse to treat.

I think it is terrible - these are recognizable, damaging (to society) illnesses and refusing to name them won’t help. I do wonder if this is the ‘change’ I read about where there will be fewer names for personality disorders but a different way of indicating quality and severity (it’s said to be a continuum with sociopathy at the far end).


34 posted on 11/30/2010 10:26:58 AM PST by ransomnote
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To: opentalk
Obama is on TV again. Seems like every day. I don't remember past presidents doing this.

No, but Queen Victoria wished it was so. There was actually work on television projects in the 1800s in part because she wanted such a contraption so her public could see her.

I learned this in Charles Francis Jenkins' 1920s book on television (he himself had been working on such devices since the 1890s, and what he called "television", we know as cable-tv, and what he called "radiovision" we know as broadcast television).

35 posted on 11/30/2010 10:27:57 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: mojito; Quix

Thanks.

Quix ping.


36 posted on 11/30/2010 10:28:25 AM PST by Joya
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To: Paladin2

“What about hoarders (a year’s fuel/food/entertainment/ammo(well 10 yr)/etc. supply)?”

I’m guessing they’re grouped under obsessive-compulsive disorder.


37 posted on 11/30/2010 10:29:20 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: opentalk
Obama is on TV again. Seems like every day. I don't remember past presidents doing this.

And the Nazis had television throughout WWII (even broadcasting the 1936 Olympics on tv). As the war dragged on, only Nazi officials and military hospitals and maybe "USO"-type theaters had viewing systems.

The Nazi Party knew a thing about how to use television for propaganda purposes.

38 posted on 11/30/2010 10:29:44 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Soothesayer

IMO your comment is correct.

In my perspective of things I see Narcissism as the basis of Liberalism. Libs are of the opinion there is no other opinion. The World is wrong, and must be corrected, organized, everything must be neat and orderly, Humanity must be all lined up in straight rows by order of their necessity, their priority.

Their unification with others of their ilk, Collectivism if you will is about the rest of the Narcissistic collective agreeing with them, and vice versa.

I also believe these very lost souls as highly aggressive due their inability to see beyond their relationship with their personal existance, thus their uncompromising defense of their perspectives, and therefore their actions.

I believe as well the Liberal sorts are like magnets to criminal elements who see great opportunity promoting such handicaps.


39 posted on 11/30/2010 10:33:03 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows

The following manias have now been eliminated from the big book of illnesses:

Egomania (Al Gore is an alphamale, repeat after me...)
Nymphomania (take two asprin and call me later tonight.)
Beatlemania (She don’t love you no more, no, no, no...)


40 posted on 11/30/2010 10:33:18 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: mojito; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!; GQuagmire; wintertime; Fred Nerks; null and void; ...
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Narcissism No Longer a Psychiatric Disorder (President no longer clinically insane!)

Pressure from the WH?

41 posted on 11/30/2010 10:48:08 AM PST by LucyT
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To: mojito

A closely related event took place in 1973, when two homosexual psychologists who had managed to get themselves into the power structure of the American Psychological Association (APA) used political maneuvering to get the APA to delete same sex attraction and homosexual behavior from the official compendium of mental health diseases.

Narcissistic Personality Syndrome is often a correlate of homosexual acting out, so it’s no surprise that politics has again trumped science in forcing the powers that be to call sickness health and health sickness. Thanks to the APA. more and more patients are left with no therapists to be found should they want to seek treatment for their disorders.

Mental health professionals who buck rulings of the lock-step ultraLeftist politicized APA are demonized as “out of compliance” if they buck a “professional” ruling of the APA.


42 posted on 11/30/2010 10:57:24 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now (The APA is little more than a Leftist political pressure group)
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To: mojito

How Stalinesque!


43 posted on 11/30/2010 11:01:12 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: ransomnote

>>The insurance companies typically do not pay for some personality disorders already because there is no treatment that works. <<

They did in my office. I was the Office Manager for the Head Psych of a large hospital. They paid for behavioral therapies if nothing else.


44 posted on 11/30/2010 11:08:34 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: LucyT

What a co-inky-dink.


45 posted on 11/30/2010 11:11:53 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: LucyT; mojito

Sad state of affairs.

Politics running amok! You can see it in every walk of life bar none.

For a medical commission to do this is just incredible.

Same with the CIA and FBI hiring practices and leakages that are about protecting one party, NOT the country.

Many people should be jailed for not being honest with the public that’s paying their salaries and benefits.

For the sake of The Republic, it’s about time that Americans start acting American.

0b0z0 can’t because he’s not American, his insanity notwithstanding.


46 posted on 11/30/2010 11:25:10 AM PST by melancholy (It ain't Camelot, it's Scam-a-lot!)
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To: LucyT
Pressure from the WH?

and pressure OFF the WH.

Among other excellent articles and professional analysis...

Israeli Expert Psychologist Says Obama Is Pathological Narcissist (And Offers Proof)

Respectable Conservatives Still Don't Get Obama

47 posted on 11/30/2010 11:32:08 AM PST by thouworm
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To: Tublecane

Yea but, are we (I) off the hook now?


48 posted on 11/30/2010 11:43:02 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Tublecane

“I’m guessing they’re grouped under obsessive-compulsive disorder.”

...or “Mormons”.


49 posted on 11/30/2010 11:46:02 AM PST by Palladin (Stand and fight.)
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To: quantim

I heard that too


50 posted on 11/30/2010 11:53:24 AM PST by phockthis
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