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(Vanity) Anyone watching Napolitano on O'Reilly? Gotta say I agree with him

Posted on 11/30/2010 5:26:24 PM PST by Red in Blue PA

It's not a crime to think a certain way. It may not be popular to say it (heck I know it isn't), but thought is not a crime, if the govt plants the seed as was done in Portland. Hate to agree with him on this one, but how many people have ever had an untoward thought toward DC? Thought is not a crime....hate crimes are Unconstitutional, and I believe the Judge is correct that this is too.


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To: ari-freedom; All

Well banning Islam as a religion in America is not going to happen..


41 posted on 11/30/2010 6:03:26 PM PST by KevinDavis (I have no problem with a black president. But the one we have now is yellow to the core)
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To: macquire

I am for summary execution after a speedy trial in a mobile trailer if perps are found guilty of murder such as those 2 in CT.....and you say I belong at DU?

LOL.


42 posted on 11/30/2010 6:03:48 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: theDentist

Sometimes it seems like we’re importing these problematic people with the intent that they be a slow burning Reichstag fire.

We keep importing them and we the people lose again and again and again.


43 posted on 11/30/2010 6:05:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: muawiyah

Did he misrepresent the law? Did he use semantics to change what the law meant?

He didnt sympathize with the kid, he said you cant punish someone for thought crimes.


44 posted on 11/30/2010 6:05:46 PM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: SampleMan

It would not be entrapment in the kid came to the FBI wanting to blow something up. It would be entrapment if the FBI went to the kid.

If someone was seeking a hit man, then they had the intention of committing a crime. But if you went to someone and offered it without solicitation, it would be entrapment.


45 posted on 11/30/2010 6:10:26 PM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

But in this case, did the person actually attempt to commit the crime?

I can’t say “I’m going to kill you”. That is assault, and all I’ve done is utter words; or vocalized my thoughts.

If I actually attempt to kill you, using a gun that I don’t know is unloaded, then you are saying I have committed no crime?

I’m not in total disagreement with you, if what you indicate (entrapment) is true, however I’m not aware if entrapment is applicable here.


46 posted on 11/30/2010 6:12:43 PM PST by RangerM (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel. - Robert Frost.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Sounds to me like he had the intent (He was trying to contact terrorists) but I do agree that our government shouldn’t be facilitating that intent.

I wonder what the cost of simple surveillance would have been compared to an undercover sting operation. Seems pretty expensive for a headline.


47 posted on 11/30/2010 6:14:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Red in Blue PA; theDentist

This little Sh** (as you call him):

Was recruited by an al Qaeda operative here in the US - http://tinyurl.com/2b7qrmk

Communicated with an al Qaeda operative in Yemen and wrote 3 articles for their Jihadi webzine - http://tinyurl.com/2b3m265

And had his own father report him to the FBI BEFORE the investigation started - http://tinyurl.com/2g92n6p

This makes entrapment a hard sell - in my opinion, of course.


48 posted on 11/30/2010 6:30:15 PM PST by Dinah Lord
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To: Raider Sam
Sue you can ~ when there are real crimes taking place while he's thinking about a different crime (that may or may not be real).

For example, you're a naturalized citizen and you get engaged in the thought crime of TREASON ~ you can lose your citizenship and get deported.

This guy wasn't born here.

49 posted on 11/30/2010 6:32:46 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Dinah Lord

You think it’s easy for me to defend him? I would love to execute all jihadists....but we have a Constitution to live by.


50 posted on 11/30/2010 6:33:37 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA

I saw it, I have to agree. Never liked these “sting” operations.


51 posted on 11/30/2010 6:35:00 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: muawiyah

Treason isnt a thought crime, it is an actual act. You cant be convicted of a thought crime, at least not yet.


52 posted on 11/30/2010 6:37:54 PM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Fine by me. I’ve read the arrest warrant and I’m quite happy for him to have his day in court. I rue the taxpayer expense of course, but if this trial follows precedent - he will end up copping a plea...

But he’s not the poor, innocent babe in the woods lured into a life of crime by the FBI like Truther Judge Napolitano would lead you to believe.

Exit question: Just curious, do you think Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the rest of the 9/11 perps should be afforded the protection of the US Constitution?


53 posted on 11/30/2010 6:41:01 PM PST by Dinah Lord
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To: RangerM
If a person buys an empty gun, and attempts to rob a bank, has he committed a crime?

Yes.

Not only that but if the guard shoots at him and accidentally kills someone else then the attempted robber can be charged with felony murder.

54 posted on 11/30/2010 6:42:05 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (When all you have is bolt cutters & vodka everything looks like the lock on Wolf Blitzer's boathouse)
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To: Dinah Lord
Yup. They had a lot on him.

So why did they teach him how to build a bomb ? That will be a big snag in the case.

With luck, he'll still be convicted and not get out until he's in his late 80's.

55 posted on 11/30/2010 6:48:42 PM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Wisconsinlady
BOR indicated that the accused's jihadist proclivities had been reported by none other than his father. So he clearly did not have to be coerced.
56 posted on 11/30/2010 6:54:06 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Napolitano is a hack. The government didn’t plant the seed. The terrorist wasn’t recruited. They did water the plant after the seed germinated. That’s not entrapment.They should have given him a real bomb and detonated it while he was in transit


57 posted on 11/30/2010 6:56:02 PM PST by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: cripplecreek
We would be better off if we just stopped accepting muslims into the country

So true but the Bamster is seeing to it that even more Muslims than ever are being admitted.

58 posted on 11/30/2010 6:57:07 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: Dinah Lord
Just curious, do you think Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the rest of the 9/11 perps should be afforded the protection of the US Constitution?

NO.
59 posted on 11/30/2010 7:00:31 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: luvbach1

That’s good to know. That changes everything, then. Hang him high! I TRIED to give him the benefit of the doubt, but like the rest of the scum Muslim terrorists, he deserves nothing but our wrath.


60 posted on 11/30/2010 7:07:02 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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