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1 posted on 12/13/2010 12:35:19 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

IF the shoot went down as described - bad shoot.

I would much prefer to see attribution of the described events, and to see if the various accounts agree.


2 posted on 12/13/2010 12:37:32 PM PST by MortMan (To Obama "Kill them all and let [God] sort them out" is an abortion slogan.)
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IF the facts recited in the article are accurate, the homeowner was properly charged.
3 posted on 12/13/2010 12:38:38 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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Below is a copy of the Texas Castle Doctrine also known as Texas Castle Law or as Texas Castle Bill
This Act takes effect September 1, 2007.
______________________________________

AN ACT

relating to the use of force or deadly force in defense of a person.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

SECTION 1. Section 9.01, Penal Code, is amended by adding Subdivisions (4) and (5) to read as follows:

(4) “Habitation” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.01.

(5) “Vehicle” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.01.

SECTION 2. Section 9.31, Penal Code, is amended by amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsections (e) and (f) to read as follows:

(a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor [he] reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor [himself] against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful force. The actor’s belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:

(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used:

(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor’s occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;

(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor’s habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or

(C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery;

(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and

(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.

(e) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the force is used is not required to retreat before using force as described by this section.

(f) For purposes of Subsection (a), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (e) reasonably believed that the use of force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat.

SECTION 3. Section 9.32, Penal Code, is amended to read as follows:

Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:

(1) if the actor [he] would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and

(2) [if a reasonable person in the actor’s situation would not have retreated; and

[(3)] when and to the degree the actor [he] reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to protect the actor [himself] against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or

(B) to prevent the other’s imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.

(b) The actor’s belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:

(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used:

(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor’s occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;

(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor’s habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or

(C) was committing or attempting to commit an offense described by Subsection (a)(2)(B);

(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and

(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used [requirement imposed by Subsection (a)(2) does not apply to an actor who uses force against a person who is at the time of the use of force committing an offense of unlawful entry in the habitation of the actor].

(c) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using deadly force as described by this section.

(d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(2), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (c) reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat.

SECTION 4. Section 83.001, Civil Practice and Remedies Code, is amended to read as follows:

Sec. 83.001. CIVIL IMMUNITY [AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE]. A [It is an affirmative defense to a civil action for damages for personal injury or death that the] defendant who uses force or[, at the time the cause of action arose, was justified in using] deadly force that is justified under Chapter 9 [Section 9.32], Penal Code, is immune from civil liability for personal injury or death that results from the defendant’s [against a person who at the time of the] use of force or deadly force, as applicable [was committing an offense of unlawful entry in the habitation of the defendant].

SECTION 5. (a) Sections 9.31 and 9.32, Penal Code, as amended by this Act, apply only to an offense committed on or after the effective date of this Act. An offense committed before the effective date of this Act is covered by the law in effect when the offense was committed, and the former law is continued in effect for this purpose. For the purposes of this subsection, an offense is committed before the effective date of this Act if any element of the offense occurs before the effective date.

(b) Section 83.001, Civil Practice and Remedies Code, as amended by this Act, applies only to a cause of action that accrues on or after the effective date of this Act. An action that accrued before the effective date of this Act is governed by the law in effect at the time the action accrued, and that law is continued in effect for that purpose.

SECTION 6. This Act takes effect September 1, 2007.


5 posted on 12/13/2010 12:40:06 PM PST by buffyt (Abortion is the ultimate CHILD ABUSE!)
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To: nickcarraway

Memo to self: shoot them *before* they surrender.


6 posted on 12/13/2010 12:40:47 PM PST by MeganC (January 20, 2013 - President Sarah Palin)
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In most parts of Florida....the homeowner would not be arrested.

Key Largo is in liberal Monroe County...Key West is in Monroe County....if you are familiar with Key West in anyway....you know it is “Florida’s San Francisco”

Hopefully this homeowner will have charges dropped. He has a Right to Self Defense


8 posted on 12/13/2010 12:41:19 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Whenever something is "Global"...it means its bad for America)
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To: nickcarraway

If the police told you to stop and get on the ground and you did they wouldn’t shoot you either, er....well anyway what the guy did was wrong.


12 posted on 12/13/2010 12:42:29 PM PST by Free Vulcan (The battle isn't over. Hold their feet to the fire.)
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You can't shoot a perp who has surrendered.
24 posted on 12/13/2010 12:59:39 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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Police said Monzon works with Theodosiou's teen daughter at a restaurant and had been making unwanted advances toward her.

The reason hunting season corresponds to the rut, is that the bucks (and does) get real stupid about then.

26 posted on 12/13/2010 1:00:53 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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This is a difficult call to make since a trespasser has no right to be on your property. Today you have no idea what atrocities may be in store if you allow criminals access to your home. Shooting in the air may have been enough to deter this stalker from returning. It sounds like there is more to the story though.


27 posted on 12/13/2010 1:03:59 PM PST by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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Shooting your daughter’s BF is gonna get you in trouble - unless I’m on the jury...


31 posted on 12/13/2010 1:08:52 PM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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The guy made two mistakes. He left the bum alive and didn’t drag the body into his house.


35 posted on 12/13/2010 1:11:47 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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If he really was stalking, he deserved to be shot dead.

But if he really was climbing over the fence to get away, then the homeowner lost his legal right to shoot.


36 posted on 12/13/2010 1:13:25 PM PST by samtheman
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This story illustrates the difference between self-defense and revenge.
37 posted on 12/13/2010 1:16:54 PM PST by Niteranger68 (I am in the party of "HELL NO"!)
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To: nickcarraway

Shot in the ankle and he had to be air lifted?


44 posted on 12/13/2010 1:30:26 PM PST by Scythian
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The incident happened around 1 a.m. when 62-year-old Dimitrios Theodosiou heard 18-year-old Marlon Perez Monzon trying to open his front door...

What happened to the "Finding Diversity on Your Property at O'Dark Thirty Doctrine"? That one seemed to work.

57 posted on 12/13/2010 1:49:49 PM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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Mistake, let him break in, then shoot him I guess.


66 posted on 12/13/2010 2:27:21 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: nickcarraway

Police don’t make that decision, the courts make that decision. Police are not the courts or a jury.


67 posted on 12/13/2010 2:29:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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If the punk stopped when told to, I think the homeowner shouldn't have shot him.

Provided thats how it actually went down.

74 posted on 12/13/2010 3:02:56 PM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat. (AKA The Pope's Hat))
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