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Congress Overturns Ban of Gays Serving Openly, Sends Bill to Obama's Desk
Fox News ^ | Dec. 18, 2010

Posted on 12/18/2010 12:48:49 PM PST by Jess Kitting

Edited on 12/18/2010 1:10:23 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: apronius

“Although, I do think this country was founded on the idea of majority rule.”

WRONG. WE are not a Democracy, but a Republic. The rule of Law... NOT the rule of majority.


301 posted on 12/18/2010 4:05:23 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: panthermom

you know a few years ago I never had a problem with homosexuals but I saw them in a homosexual parade and the way they acted once they were together made me feel sick .
I then noticed that once they are in their groups they act like sick perverts but once they are away from their groups they try and deceive us into thinking they are just out for love.
In the end it is all about sex and how they get off and because of that they think that should be accepted as equal rights .
The more I found out about them and looked with open eyes instead of saying I have a friend who is a homosexual the more I found I was being conned by them
Well maybe we should give that equal right status to also men with animals or wives.

After all these people hang around at truck stops, public bathrooms etc and it is all about a quick get off.


302 posted on 12/18/2010 4:05:33 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: tyke
He did not win by that much in Jan 2010. He will need that 25 % plus base support in 2012. Gays are very very vocal group in Mass with the MSLM gay Boston Globe support. The Mass Supreme Court has a new non gay Chief Justice. Mass will have Two Demo Rats Senators in 2012. Not a RINO and a Demo Rat.
303 posted on 12/18/2010 4:12:00 PM PST by NewEnglander
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To: onedoug
I fear my country just died.

It died a long time ago. At least it "jumped the shark" although Fonzie is long gone and the twin Evenrudes are out of gas. B-P Some say it died during the Whiskey Rebellion (1794), end of the Civil War (1865), The income tax (1913), World War I (1917) (IMHO, we should not have entered World War I), Women voting (1920), New Deal (1933-40), JFK shot (1963), The Pill and Sex Revolution (1960, late 1960's), the end of the Cold War (1991) (we don't have big, bad USSR anymore to worry about) or the election of the Kenyan Usurper (2008). Take your pick. I say that all here along with many others was like pulling a straw out of a game of "Kerplunk" where a marble or several here and there fell, but I think we really lost a lot of our marbles under Clinton and much more when the Kenyan Usurper was elected.
304 posted on 12/18/2010 4:12:35 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: manc

And that is it. When they are in polite society they need to keep their deviant behavior to themselves. When they are able to be “open” they can’t help themselves.


305 posted on 12/18/2010 4:12:41 PM PST by panthermom
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To: tyke; Jim Robinson

IBTZ! TROLL ALERT! ZOT! DOUBLE ZOT!! AND TRIPLE ZOT!!!


306 posted on 12/18/2010 4:13:58 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: Jess Kitting

If you didn’t see before, you now see what is of importance to the Democrats and RINO’s that voted for this, shoving aside the economy, high unemployment, increasing debt and such.

Nothing matters but appeasement of Gays who continue to force acceptance of their lifestyle choice upon others.

God Bless the USA? No, God Help the USA!


307 posted on 12/18/2010 4:19:02 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Stepan12
I wonder if America needs a Pinochet to straighten things out?

The world's greatest intellectual, Thomas Sowell, Ph.d, warned that there may come a day when the American military just won't take it anymore.


I sometimes pray that we would have a Pinochet (see my tagline below) come along as long as the goal is the restoration of the Constitution after a short period of cleaning house. I'm a big fan of the "Ashes" series by William Johnstone where a general goes around and cleaning up the U.S. from the thugs and political correctness after an atomic war with the USSR/Russia, we might need to do this.

BTW, another author would have agreed with Thomas Sowell, Robert A. Heinlein. That was the premise of the book, "Starship Troopers" where in the future, the political correctness has almost killed us so the military and veterans rose up and took over. The society was quite libertarian but you could not vote unless you served a term in the military. He wrote this in 1959, the parallels to our world is striking, the PC movement, gangs of thugs in the streets, welfare bums and a war with Red China. Well not yet for the latter but it could happen.
308 posted on 12/18/2010 4:19:05 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: manc

Piedmont Park in Atlanta is notorious for gay pick ups. The people that live around there have to pay for extra security because the sex is rampant, in parking lots, etc. Businesses have to pick up condoms every day before they open. People that live in high rises can hear it and see it! It is all gays, heterosexuals are NOT doing that! The gays want to equate their relationships with heterosexuals, yet never in my life have I heard of rampant hetero sex going on in parking lots and parks where they have to have special patrols.


309 posted on 12/18/2010 4:20:06 PM PST by panthermom
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To: Fantasywriter

That’s my understanding as well, but you can imagine that the DOD will be under great pressure to rapidly change the policy.

The libs know that Obama is the CIC. We do too. We need a new CIC, asap.


310 posted on 12/18/2010 4:22:44 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: panthermom

EXACTLY
I found that out.
They really pretend to be someone else in front of the straight person but once in their groups they are all about sex etc.I worked as a truck driver delivering beer and had ot deliver to these homosexual bars.

It was sick and the comments they made were disgusting, now I am no prude and have served but the perverted comments were sick.


311 posted on 12/18/2010 4:23:48 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: tyke
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Thus I just don't see any way this change is ever going to be reversed ...
Oh, ye, of little faith. I've overturned before ... and yes, it had something to do with change ...
312 posted on 12/18/2010 4:24:20 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Jess Kitting; fieldmarshaldj; Impy

anal passage:

The eight Republicans who joined Democrats in passing the repeal were:
Sens. Scott Brown of Massachusetts
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
Mark Kirk of Illinois
George Voinovich of Ohio
Richard Burr of North Carolina
John Ensign of Nevada
Susan Collins of Maine
Olympia Snowe of Maine.

Voinovich’s retiring, term runs out in Jan.
Richard Burr?
John Ensign?

bizarro.


313 posted on 12/18/2010 4:25:21 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: Racehorse

That will be an interesting article to alter in the UCMJ.

What will they do? Remove the same sex part and just make it illegal for heterosexuals? That’s discriminatory.

What will happen is, like in all other areas of our society, they’ll work 24/7 to sexualize everything thus making it a moot point.

Kids growing up today are being groomed as sex maniacs or sex objects or both. It is sad.


314 posted on 12/18/2010 4:26:03 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Inwoodian
I’ve never heard of a real-world homosexual dying to go in the service.

That's because the ones pushing it are REMF's who want to use the Military to continue forcing acceptance of their deviancy upon the rest of the nation.

They don't want to fight for America, but for the Gay Agenda. And, collect more freebies in the process.I wonder now how long before HIV & AID's becomes a "Service Connected" disability they will draw disability and free life health care from?

315 posted on 12/18/2010 4:27:46 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: newzjunkey
the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Israelis...haven't looked too effective in their latest outings.
316 posted on 12/18/2010 4:28:00 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: central_va
I don’t have a problem with it. Its silly to have to have people hide who they are. I’ve always thought there was a case to be made for banning homosexuality in the armed service but DADT is offensive and hypocritical. Its like saying a woman can be pregnant but she needs to hide it so people won’t have to face it. This is one fight that is now history.

IMO this deserves the ZOT.


Muffin is charging up her capacitors....

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Muffin: b. 8-21-1987 - d. 7-09-2004
317 posted on 12/18/2010 4:28:17 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: palmer
If the sodomy ban stays, then homosexuality activity among service members is still forbidden.

As are some forms of heterosexual activity.

318 posted on 12/18/2010 4:29:42 PM PST by Jess Kitting
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To: KansasGirl
Burr, Ensign, Voinovich, Kirk, Murkowski, Scott Brown, Snowe and Collins.

I don't know about the rest, but I wonder if Snowe and Collins have something going on between them, they sure look like the type.
319 posted on 12/18/2010 4:29:55 PM PST by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: panthermom

no word of a lie.
My family and I went to MA for a visit, we took I95 and there is a road in MA called 128.
Anyway the MIL who we were going to see lived near and we had heard that a place called blue hills had to close at night but it was a nice drive on the way and off the highway.
Anyway it was closed at the time we got there because of the homosexuals and them having sex etc.
Anyway we wanted to freshen up before we got to the MIL and went to a public road side bathroom which runs adjacent to this blue hills.
We noticed at this bathroom there was about 7 or 8 men just standing there outside.
One man drive up and went in and a man followed him.
We sat there for a couple of minutes wondering if it were safe to go in because we did not know if it were drugs etc.
I mean a group of men some would be just standing there not talking to others etc.

Holy crap, it was a like a sausage factory of homosexuals , stopping off to have sex and then on to work.
sick it was , we drove off and asked a few people that night about it as they were locals.

They told us that all around there , the woods , the dog park the public bathrooms etc are all homosexuals for casual sex.
I said why does the police do not something about it and they told us that if they did the homosexual community and the GOV would clamp down on the cops an call them names etc.

It is sick and the mroe I found out about their agenda the more I am determined to fight them now


320 posted on 12/18/2010 4:31:30 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc

You’ve never tangled with the Lavender Mafia. They bring a load down on you.

A friend of mine worked hard, very hard and was out front of the homosexual agenda here in IL. We won over and over again by her tireless efforts.

They came after her with a vengeance. She’s just a regular person, mom, etc. It was too much to take and she stepped out of the line of fire for some time. Now we’ve got Civil Unions in IL.

They’ll tear at you and tear at you until you can’t take it anymore.

It’s a real war and the economic conservatives are making a terrible mistake ignoring culture. Immorality never put a country into wealth. In destroying our social fabric progressives will have destroyed America.


321 posted on 12/18/2010 4:34:13 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Jess Kitting

As it should be. If I were in charge I would define fraternization as any sexual activity and prohibit sex outside of heterosexual marriage.


322 posted on 12/18/2010 4:35:48 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: steve86

Don’t fall for it Steve. Now’s the time to get trained and gear up to retake the Senate and the WH in 2012.

Start here: http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/training/

Spread the word. We need every FReeper trained and on line for late 2011. We need to win and keep on winning.


323 posted on 12/18/2010 4:36:25 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

yes I saw that with prop 8 and how they went after people and did the media actually report their harassment?
No course not, they hardly mentioned the don’t ask bill until it passed and now they talk about it , of course they don’t want the public to know about their agenda and the homosexual agenda.

All Hannity and others have to do is show a video of them at the folsom fair and their agenda is ruined but will the videos be shown?
Nah don’t think so as many have become cowards


324 posted on 12/18/2010 4:38:15 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Major loss of the free exercise of religion.


325 posted on 12/18/2010 4:40:36 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: SkyPilot
Now that this perversion is officially endorsed, every other perversion (incest, bestiality, pedophilia) will come out of the "closet" and demand recognition and applause.

Exactly and how can it not? We're two consenting adults. Let us live life as we please.

It's ironic that with the fall of the Soviet union so much evil has picked up speed in our own country.

326 posted on 12/18/2010 4:41:19 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: IrishCatholic

Now try sending the above in a letter to the editor in your local paper. Think it will ever see print?


327 posted on 12/18/2010 4:42:08 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: palmer
The bill does not require repealing of the ban on sodomy in the UCMJ. The bill says: (D) Recommend appropriate changes (if any) to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. That means what happens next is important. If the sodomy ban stays, then homosexuality activity among service members is still forbidden.

That might be a bit of good news. The UCMJ is not a matter of policy nor a mere military regulation. It is federal law and can only be changed by Congress. See 10 U.S.C. Chapter 47

If Congress does not act to amend the statute before recessing, maybe the incoming Congress can block any attempt to change Article 125.

328 posted on 12/18/2010 4:42:35 PM PST by Racehorse (Preach the Gospel at all times. If necessary, use words.)
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To: LeoWindhorse

Yes, they do. The armed forces are not one of the three branches of our government. Congress is.


329 posted on 12/18/2010 4:46:00 PM PST by Redalways
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To: Nowhere Man

Let’s not lose it. We don’t need a military dictatorship and the chances of getting a Pinochet are one in a million. Take a look at history.

Without the USA and the Chicago Boys Chile would be as backwards as any other tinpot dictatorship.

We just won big in the House. Next target is the Senate and the WH in that order.

Get trained and start here: http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/training/

Pass the word.


330 posted on 12/18/2010 4:46:32 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

No. Until conservative groups, foundations, businesses, and the GOP figures out they need to have a new press, things will remain on the downhill slope to ruin.


331 posted on 12/18/2010 4:47:28 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: TCH
Military government? Bring it on. I can hardly wait!

You might want to check this out on the Home page...

"Free Republic does not advocate or condone racism, violence, rebellion, secession, or an overthrow of the government."

332 posted on 12/18/2010 4:49:11 PM PST by deks ("...the battle of our time is the battle of liberty against the overreach of the federal government")
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To: 1010RD

I totally agree, but there’s this one great caveat. It’s a lot harder to exert pressure when your approval numbers are sinking like the Titanic, and your party got its butt handed to it on a plate in the last election. We’ve just got to hope Obama is sufficiently weakened to give us an opening going forward. It’s dicey, to be sure, but there are a lot of encouraging signs on our side. It’s ain’t over till it’s over, and the DoD hasn’t lifted DADT yet. Let us pray they never do.


333 posted on 12/18/2010 4:49:12 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: palmer
As it should be. If I were in charge I would define fraternization as any sexual activity and prohibit sex outside of heterosexual marriage.

Totally agree.

334 posted on 12/18/2010 4:49:20 PM PST by Jess Kitting
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To: manc

That’s the agenda.

1. Change the meaning of words - love, liberal, family, faith, hate, etc. Muddy it up so thought crimes can then be enforced.

2. Promote victimhood - in IL we have a mayoral candidate actively calling for the exclusion of white males from City of Chicago contracts - potentially even women and asians.

Could you imagine a white candidate calling for whites only to have City contracts?

3. Indoctrinate - we give these people our children for 12-16 years and look what comes out the other end -Ignoramouses.

We’ve got to keep fighting and take back our country. We need vouchers, deregulation and a return to economic liberty. Get government out of my life.

Of course, we need to use the same methods the enemy did in getting us to where we are. Incrementalism in small reasoned steps - the angels are in the details.

We need to hold Congress for a few generations. Get a solid majority in the Senate and a President or two during the same time giving us a solid majority on SCOTUS.

All this bubbled under the surface for a long time and things started going solidly downhill with FDR. We’re only off track a decade or two. We can put this back together, but it will take an education to do it.

Look here: http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/training/

Let’s get started, eh?

What better Christmas gift can we give America than conservitives ready, trained and willing?


335 posted on 12/18/2010 4:53:32 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Jess Kitting; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; BillyBoy; Arthur Wildfire! March; ...

Ensign and Burr voted against cloture

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00279

But then for the final bill

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00281

This was tacked on to some Department of Defense small business thing? Weird. Why does the DOD have a small business initiative?

The new Congress should have been sworn in already. Lame duck period is too long, every race has been certified, why wait. Should amend the constitution.


336 posted on 12/18/2010 4:54:12 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: IrishCatholic

You can’t now, people like Drudge promote and sustain the homosexual agenda.

We need to report and circulate the photos, the health habits - physical and mental, and the lifestyle of homosexuality.

It’s hard to do because it is obscene. Who wants to forward that? It may be time, though. People have to take a stand.

We need a drip, drip, drip of stories about the destructiveness of the homosexual lifestyle. Over the course of a year or two the truth will out.

It isn’t normal or natural. It’s a deviancy, plain and simple. Our educational establishment’s infatuation with tolerance is destroying or morality.


337 posted on 12/18/2010 4:56:33 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD; All

Yes, but you know, have any of you read this? Is it legit?

Roy G. Callahan, USN, Ret.

1529 NW 143rd Street
Gainesville, Florida 32606
Tel: (352) 332-9144
Fax: (352) 332-9144
Call6603@Bellsouth.net

Tuesday, December 14, 2010

Open letter to Congress on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell:

Don’t ask, Don’t tell is in the news again. Given the staggering level of false information, gross ignorance, or intentional misdirection on the facts, it is time to set the record straight.

Until the Uniform Code of Military Justice was enacted the Army and Navy operated under laws derived directly from the British Articles of War, which had been in force since the revolutionary war. World War II was the turning point because it produced an astonishing 2 million Courts Martials. More than 100 servicemen were executed and 45,000 went to prison. When a public outcry ensued Congress created the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

President Truman signed the legislation on May 5, 1950. More than 15 years before the Supreme Court’s historic Miranda decision, the code gave service members the right to remain silent and to be informed that any statement could be used against them at court-martial. It also provided free military defense counsel in the most serious court-martial trials. The code expanded protections for service members.

Don’t Ask – Don’t Tell” bars military commanders from “asking about sexual orientation” absent any evidence of wrongdoing associated with military code. It also bars gay service members from “telling their sexual orientation,” or serving in the open. This policy does not make openly serving in the military legal for gays.

Defense Secretary Gates lied when he said, “Failing to repeal the law (DADT) prohibiting openly gay and lesbian people from serving in the military leaves the services vulnerable to the possibility the courts will order an immediate and likely chaotic end to the policy. My greatest worry will be that we are at the mercy of the courts and all of the lack of predictability that that entails.”

Gates’ lie stems from the fact that serving openly in the military as a gay was illegal before Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (DADT). DADT did not make open service in the military legal for gays, it made it legal to serve in the closet, not in the open. Repealing DADT will not make serving openly in the military legal for gays, quite the opposite - it returns the issue to long-standing military code on the matter. Contrary to popular belief, the civilian courts have NO constitutional authority or power over the military or military policy so they have no authority to dictate military code.

If DADT were repealed, long-standing military code denying gays the right to serve in the military in or out of the closet would return as the law of the land. DADT did not alter military code. It stopped the aggressive pursuit and prosecution of gays in the military, by military commanders. The UCMJ reads as follows…

“(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.
(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished, as a court-martial may direct.”

The UCMJ allows NO gays in the military in the open or otherwise. Consequently, repealing DADT will NOT make openly serving in the military legal for gays.

Furthermore, civilian courts have no authority over the US Military or military code. Congress is the only branch of government that has the constitutional authority of military oversight and Congress did not pass DADT. It is refusing to review or repeal DADT at present and neither the judicial nor the executive branch has any constitutional authority on the subject.

I am concerned that Secretary Gates does not know what the constitution says on this matter or he’s a political animal that does not care. It is obvious he does not care that analysis of a FY 2009 study found that of all the sexual assaults in the military, 8.2% of them were same-sex in nature. Comparing that to the general civilian population, homosexuals in the military are three times more likely to commit sexual assaults relative to their population. Most of these assaults were men fondling or attempting oral sex on other men while the victim slept or was intoxicated.

Furthermore, a September 2010, CDC fact sheet shows men having sex with men account for 48% of all HIV cases in the United States. While men having sex with men account for only 4% of the entire population, they are 44 times more likely to be diagnosed with HIV. In setting public policy, both commanders and politicians must remember that these are blood-borne diseases. What will commanders do about blood transfusions on the battlefield?

The armed forces represent the last bastion of values and discipline not completely subject to the socialist/secular mantra. President Barack Hussein Obama is the commander in chief because he is president. He is also the chief law enforcement officer in this country. He is supposed to enforce the law, not make it.

Congress abrogated its responsibilities and got stupid when it allowed President Clinton who had no morals, ethics or standards to impose Don’t Ask Don’t Tell on the armed forces. If the Constitution and Rule of Law mean anything Congress is responsible for rewriting the Uniform Code of Military Justice if Obama is going to have his way allowing queers to serve.

In closing, I agree with Marine Corps Commandant James Conway who told Congress “At this point, I think that the current policy works,” Conway said. “My best military advice to this committee, to the secretary, to the president would be to keep the law such as it is.

If you have ethics, morals, or standards I expect you to uphold your oath of office. It is Congresses responsibility to determine military law, policy and standards, not Obama’s or the courts. Therefore, I expect you to stop Obama and his fellow travelers and vote accordingly.

Remember, you work for me

Yours in the Bill of Rights,

Roy G. Callahan
Copy to: Florida Representatives, Commandant of the Marine Corps, et al


338 posted on 12/18/2010 4:56:44 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (*********************End automatic pay raises for congresscritters**)
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To: onedoug

The country is worth defending, BUT its leaders and other officials are NOT worth defending.

In fact, they should be brutally verbally attacked where ever they are found.

It should now be the rule to hound these individuals to the point that they will prefer isolation—or even commit suicide.

Let us make every effort to so encumber their function, their lives, their very existence, that they will become emotionally unstable nervous wrecks.

Let us make a pact to do as much psychological damage to these individuals as is humanly possible to inflict.

First let’s shut down their phone and e-mail servers by inundating them EVERY DAY from now until their term ends.

Show up at every local function they host and cause as much disturbance as possible.

Discover where their on and off-duty hangouts are, and harass them without mercy.

Protests their homes... Give them no rest.

Harass them at every waking moment. Allow them no sleep, no peace. Destroy them as persons. Wreak havoc upon their family lives.

In other words: Declare TOTAL WAR upon them.

No mercy, no quarter...

The object is to DESTROY them.


339 posted on 12/18/2010 4:57:32 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: traditional1
Robert Bork got it wrong.

We are not slouching towards Gomorrah we are galloping.

340 posted on 12/18/2010 5:02:32 PM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
I don't know if that's true or accurate. I couldn't find any confimation in a quick search. But if true, this bears repeating:

analysis of a FY 2009 study found that of all the sexual assaults in the military, 8.2% of them were same-sex in nature. Comparing that to the general civilian population, homosexuals in the military are three times more likely to commit sexual assaults relative to their population. Most of these assaults were men fondling or attempting oral sex on other men while the victim slept or was intoxicated.

Furthermore, a September 2010, CDC fact sheet shows men having sex with men account for 48% of all HIV cases in the United States. While men having sex with men account for only 4% of the entire population, they are 44 times more likely to be diagnosed with HIV. In setting public policy, both commanders and politicians must remember that these are blood-borne diseases. What will commanders do about blood transfusions on the battlefield?

341 posted on 12/18/2010 5:06:48 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Fantasywriter

That’s my hope as well.

Plus this: http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/training/

We need to arm ourselves with techniques that will win elections. Not just at the national level, but at the state and local levels.

My belief is that we’re being muscled into beliefs that go against the natural grain of Americans. People are naturally conservative in America.

We can get it back - step by step. That’s the method. Expose the lies and keep moving the ball down field.


342 posted on 12/18/2010 5:06:56 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: manc

Video tape it and post it.

If you had a heterosexual friend, man or woman, who regularly went for sex with strangers they met at public toilets you’d think they were sick and weird.

It isn’t bigotry it’s reality.


343 posted on 12/18/2010 5:09:53 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: jessduntno

In addition to the six Republicans who voted for cloture on the repeal bill — Sens. Scott Brown (R-Mass), Susan Collins (R-Alaska), Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) and George Voinovich (R-Ohio) — Republicans Sens. Richard Burr (N.C.) and John Ensign (Nev.) voted for the final passage of the repeal bill.

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So these eight are guilty of loving an abomination. Has Palin spoken out on this yet?....especially since both Alaskan Senators voted for sodomy.


345 posted on 12/18/2010 5:17:47 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: TCH
Define “troublemaker”

If you are a moral, upright and hardworking individual, there will not be any problem. However, if you are an immoral reprobate, an ass-kissing weasel—always looking to shirk your duties onto somebody else—then you get a bullet to the back of the head. I have no sympathy for you. DIE—and get out of the way. It is high time for hard discipline upon a nation of spoiled rotten, selfish, whining crybabies, and the perverts they empower.

Well, it's obvious from what you say that your heart's in the right place, but it just seems to me that you might be a little too trusting in the goodness of people. What makes you so certain that the powers that be will always be as charitable as you are when it comes to defining troublemakers?

In short, what if the powers that be deem folks like you and me to be troublemakers?

I don't trust leaders and don't believe in giving them so much power.

346 posted on 12/18/2010 5:23:42 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: 1010RD

Amen! The day our politicians fear the Tea Party more than they fear the MSM is the day We Win. And it is fast approaching. A time of reckoning is coming for these RINOs, and they’d better straighten up now or they won’t have a job then.


347 posted on 12/18/2010 5:24:40 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: trumandogz
I have lived in and spent time in military dictatorships and I don’t believe that you want any part of that experience as a citizen.

Living under an Allende or an Obama may be worse. Certainly, living under an Allende was worse for the citizens of Chile and they got fed up and changed to a far superior leadership.

I hope people such as Pinochet and McCarthy would get a fairer assessment sometime.

348 posted on 12/18/2010 5:35:00 PM PST by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: Walts Ice Pick

And you would be happy when the general’s neice takes a liking to your home and your military dictator sents troops to evict you.


349 posted on 12/18/2010 5:36:44 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz
I don't have anything against the general's family, but I think you have my views mixed up with the views of the other poster. I'm the one who doesn't believe in military dictatorships.
350 posted on 12/18/2010 5:40:23 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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