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Gays in the Military (by Lt. Col. Oliver North)
National Review ^ | Dec. 7, 2010 | Oliver North

Posted on 12/18/2010 2:48:10 PM PST by Innovative

Obama's social experiment would have devastating effects on the finest military force the world has ever known.

At issue is a pending vote in the Senate on repealing Section 654 of Title X of the U.S. Code. This law, on the books since 1993, states: "The presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability."

The authors acknowledge that 67 percent of all Marines, more than 60 percent of special-operations personnel, and 57 percent of soldiers in Army combat units believe changing the law would hurt military efficiency, unit cohesion, readiness, and retention. Overall, 35 percent of service members deployed overseas said that changing the law in current circumstances would have a negative impact on combat effectiveness. And, perhaps most telling, nearly one-third of all those who are now part of the best-educated, best-trained, and most-combat-experienced military in history will consider "getting out" rather than serve side by side with openly homosexual men or lesbians.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; dadt; dadtrepeal; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; north; obama; olivernorth; ollienorth
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To: Innovative
I noticed that the talking heads said that this vote "could pave the way" to homosexuls serving openly in the armed forces. I thought this vote made it done deal. Also, if this is just a repeal of DADT, then does that mean that the armed forces revert to the pre-DADT policy? What was the language of the repeal?
41 posted on 12/18/2010 4:46:42 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Only butch...


42 posted on 12/18/2010 4:47:43 PM PST by steve8714 (Never again should free men be asked to fight for those without the courage to turn them loose.)
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To: squarebarb
"How has this worked out in with the IDF? I remember reading an article in the NYT which said (of course) that all was hunky-dory but haven’t read anything on gays in the israeli forces for a long time."

Israel has a conscript army, so pretty much everybody has to serve in some capacity (apart from religious exemptions).

However, openly gay troops are kept in separate IDF units, usually performing rear support functions.

43 posted on 12/18/2010 4:48:45 PM PST by cookcounty (December 31st is coming.....STOP the Democrats' Midnight Tax Jack-Up!!)
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To: JSDude1
"Once again I would like to add that this FIGHT is not over; We conservatives in the next Congress need to call Congressional-Hearings;

I followed a good chunk of the hearings on CSPAN. With the exception of Inhofe, the Republicans were completely unprepared with their questions. Serious, obvious, fundamental questions about this issue and the study WERE NOT EVEN ASKED.

44 posted on 12/18/2010 4:52:48 PM PST by cookcounty (December 31st is coming.....STOP the Democrats' Midnight Tax Jack-Up!!)
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To: Cementjungle

“What’s next? Legal protections for school teachers to act on their “genetic” desires to screw underage students?”

Pedophelia is the next taboo the perverts are breaking. We’ve already been told that “intergenerational relations” are healthy.


45 posted on 12/18/2010 5:04:25 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: cookcounty
".....usually performing rear support functions. "

Stop it! You're killing me here.

46 posted on 12/18/2010 5:09:48 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Innovative
Its' very clear what Christians MUST DO!!! Christians know why homosexuals are homosexuals, and how to solve the homosexual problem.

It's no longer possible for Christians to be a part of the military, or support the military.

For our Heavenly Father will NOT TOLERATE this rebellion for long, until He rewards them ... according to their works!

Those who OBEY and BELIEVE Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Father,

Your future depends on it, ..."that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out."
47 posted on 12/18/2010 5:12:43 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: ViLaLuz
Pedophelia is the next taboo the perverts are breaking. We’ve already been told that “intergenerational relations” are healthy.

I'm sure. After all, it's just "genetic" so we should all embrace such behavior, right?

48 posted on 12/18/2010 5:20:44 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Innovative

It is no accident that with the most leftist regime in our History (even worse than Wilson), the degrading of the military is a prime objective of the democrats. Pondscum is more to be tolerated than democrats.


49 posted on 12/18/2010 5:24:36 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: steve8714
I predict an increase in the number of blanket parties.

Me too.

But, something tell me that the words "blanket party" ain't gonna mean what it used to!

50 posted on 12/18/2010 5:28:01 PM PST by PalmettoMason (It's easy being a menace to society when WAY OVER half the population is happy being sheep.)
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To: JSDude1

We do have an Ace up our sleeve....we have 8 new Republican Congressman who are veterans of Iraq/Afghanistan. I also know that Con. Duncan Hunter, another vet came out strongly against it!


51 posted on 12/18/2010 5:29:36 PM PST by panthermom
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To: Innovative

In anticipation of the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, in 2007, the Pentagon prepared a list of new or reinterpreted nomenclature and practices familiar to many older veterans. The gay EM who supplied Wikileaks sent us a copy just before his arrest. Some of the more interesting items are below.

All marching commands ending in “March” will now end in either “MINCE” or “SWISH,” at the option of the individual issuing the command;

The command “Right dress right,” will be replaced with “Right strapless evening gown, allrighty;”

Due to the distinct possibility that it may be misinterpreted, the command “To the Rear March” will be replaced with “OK, Fellas, Turn Around;”

Marching cadences employing “Jodie” will now replace that archaic appellation with the more metro-sexually appropriate “Brucie:”

The humorous but now out-dated phrase “Drop your c**ks and grab your socks” is to be replaced with “Drop your c**ks and grab the fella’s over there;”

A “Junk on the bunk” inspection will now allow a soldier’s “junk” to actually be displayed on his bunk;

If it will not interfere with “his” duties, a “Latrine Queen” may wear a pair of high heel pumps if they are OD in color;

The rank of “Private” will be replaced with “Newby.”

For those still smoking, as it could lead to serious unit cohesion break-down, the phrase “Field strip that butt” will no longer be used.

As we did deeper into the documents we were provided, we will add other changes.

PS: A bonus INVESTMENT TIP: Buy shares in firms that manufacture SOAP-ON-A-ROPE!


52 posted on 12/18/2010 5:35:09 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: ak267

At least those doing the odd-couple thing were’nt Marines one would hope. Don’t have that problem with the Detachment in Rio.


53 posted on 12/18/2010 5:54:37 PM PST by Jumper
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To: Innovative

If gays want to serve in the military, fine, just let it be the Dutch army.


54 posted on 12/18/2010 6:09:18 PM PST by depressed in 06 (The only thing the ZerO administration is competent at is bad ideas.)
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To: Paladin2
Congress would be better without gays serving there too.

Yeah, like Barney Frank.

55 posted on 12/18/2010 7:55:03 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: cookcounty

“...openly gay troops are kept in separate IDF units, usually performing rear support functions.”

Rear support? More like a pain in the @ss.


56 posted on 12/18/2010 9:04:56 PM PST by RicocheT
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To: Innovative

The sanctimonious, politically correct a$$holes in the White House, Pentagon and Congress will never have to suffer the consequences of this horrendous decision!

Just as taxpayers suffer when “government” makes REALLY BAD economic decisions, it is the troops at the point of the spear who will suffer the disastrous consequences of this REALLY, REALLY BAD social engineering experiment.

And, ultimately, when our military is gutted by this PC crowd, the United States of America will pay the price by having a much less capable and effective military.

I served for 28 1/2 years in the Navy and Naval Reserve, and I can tell you, flat out — take it to the bank! that having homosexuals serving openly in the military service will not work!


57 posted on 12/18/2010 9:58:24 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Innovative

“And, perhaps most telling, nearly one-third of all those who are now part of the best-educated, best-trained, and most-combat-experienced military in history will consider “getting out” rather than serve side by side with openly homosexual men or lesbians.”

We might go back to a draft, and how would the liberals like that?


58 posted on 12/18/2010 10:13:29 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: HerrBlucher
Gay Marriage and repealing DADT officially normalizes homosexuality.

Changing the law won't make it "normal", any more than passing a law that says water can run uphill will make it so.

OTOH, it will bring them out of the woodwork, and in the long run, that might be a good thing. There is a backlash coming.

59 posted on 12/18/2010 10:52:11 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Innovative

Repeal the repeal of DADT.


60 posted on 12/18/2010 11:19:24 PM PST by TAdams8591
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