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Barney Frank: Straight and Gay Soldiers Must Shower Together, But Not Men and Women
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Posted on 12/21/2010 2:25:55 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Barney Frank: Straight and Gay Soldiers Must Shower Together, But Not Men and Women Tuesday, December 21, 2010 By Nicholas Ballasy

(CNSNews.com) - Rep. Barney Frank (D.-Mass.) says he agrees with the recommendation of a Department of Defense (DOD) working group that straight and gay military personnel of the same gender should be required to shower together when the repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” law goes into effect.

Frank, however, said Armed Forces personnel of opposite sexes should not shower together.

“What do you think happens in gyms all over America? What do you think happens in the House of Representatives? Of course people shower with homosexuals. What a silly issue. What do you think goes wrong with showering with homosexuals? Do you think the spray makes it catching? I mean people shower with homosexuals in college dormitories, in gyms where people play sports; in gyms elsewhere. It is a complete non-issue. ” Frank told CNSNews.com.

CNSNews.com then asked Frank why he thinks it is a non-issue.

“To accept the principle that homosexuals can’t shower with other people is a degree of discrimination that goes far beyond this. We don’t get ourselves dry cleaned. We tend to take showers when we go to the gym; when we play sports,” he responded.

Rep. Frank continued, “The notion that knowing that someone is gay or lesbian as opposed to knowing that they are gay or lesbian people that have to pretend who they are; that that somehow makes a difference is pretty silly,”

Frank was also asked if he thinks male and female military personnel should be able to shower together.

“No that would disrupt people,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: barney; barneyfrank; dadt; fwank; homosexualagenda
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To: abigailsmybaby

Good question.


41 posted on 12/21/2010 3:03:08 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I think there’s a different way to frame this that might get closer to the real issue.

Men and women don’t share facilities merely because they might be sexually attracted to each other. Really, it’s about privacy. Women don’t want to bathe in front of men, and vice versa, and in fact, most men would rather not bathe in front of women. Whether they might be sexually interested in each other is only part of it.

The question really should be: if we’re going to be fair to gays, shouldn’t they deserve privacy from other gays when they shower? And how’s that supposed to work?


42 posted on 12/21/2010 3:10:36 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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Simple solution.

File Sexual Harassment lawsuits each time a homosexual ogles a straight man or woman in the shower.

Use their own PC laws against them.

From the UCMJ on Sexual Harrassment:

Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination that involves unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature when:

Involves a person’s job, pay or career:
Basis for employment decision
Interferes with performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment.

Hostile environment sexual harassment occurs when unwelcome sexual conduct unreasonably interferes with an individual’s job performance or creates a hostile, intimidating or offensive work environment even though the harassment may not result in tangible or economic job consequences, that is, the person may not lose pay or a promotion. Employers, supervisors, coworkers, customers, or clients can create a hostile work environment.


43 posted on 12/21/2010 3:12:49 PM PST by WaterBoard
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To: Sub-Driver

Barney is cool with using straights as sex objects for the visual gratification of homosexuals.

This attempt to destroy the military may just work.


44 posted on 12/21/2010 3:14:20 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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To: Sub-Driver

45 posted on 12/21/2010 3:15:34 PM PST by kennedy (I am a Kennedy. Where do I go to claim my Senate seat?)
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To: Realman30

“Yeah, and he makes he a point to drop the soap a mimunim of three times.”

Ugh..... don’t need that vision in my mind.

Must have more alcohol.....


46 posted on 12/21/2010 3:16:07 PM PST by LastDayz (ObamaNation - The gift that keeps on giving - An outrage per week)
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To: Sub-Driver

And just how does this new dictat from General Turdburgler, commander of the Rump Rangers keep all of America safe?


47 posted on 12/21/2010 3:18:02 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (In 2012: The Rookie and The Wookie get booted from the White House.)
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To: Sub-Driver
A recently opened Target store in this area has three bathrooms...."Male"; Female" and "Unisex"

Coming soon to a military base near you??

48 posted on 12/21/2010 3:19:40 PM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: trisham

I noticed (a long time ago) that when it comes to what queers want everybody elses choices go out the window. What if hetero soldiers don’t want to shower with queers?


49 posted on 12/21/2010 3:20:12 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ( I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. Yogi Berra)
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To: mylife

You obviously didn’t serve in the Marine Corps and likely not even in the infantry. I can understand how the average pogue might see things from your position, but infantry Marines work, fight, and live together. In many cases, especially during war (and yes, I served in Iraq), this also includes showering together.

But the biggest problem with this is not just gays and straights showering together. This will put open homosexuals in command of those they are sexually attracted to and see naked on a regular basis. For instance, take a DI in boot camp who often sees recruits running around naked (yes, this happens in Marine Corps boot camp). How does this NOT create a hostile working environment?


50 posted on 12/21/2010 3:21:11 PM PST by Echo4C (We have it in our power to begin the world over again. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Churchillspirit
A recently opened Target store in this area has three bathrooms...."Male"; Female" and "Unisex"

Target store here has those.  They've had "Unisex" bathrooms for a long time in Europe.

51 posted on 12/21/2010 3:22:13 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (In 2012: The Rookie and The Wookie get booted from the White House.)
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To: Sub-Driver
So, people are supposed to acknowledge that, homosexuals have the same rights as the rest of the population, and to do that, we have to pretend that there is no difference between them and the rest of the population?

I don't mind treating them as equals, but, not in the showers.

When I was in the Marines, a long while ago, there was a certain Marine who seem to always be showering, no matter who went in to shower. And, every time I went in to shower, that certain Marine would always be in the aroused state. And, it was the same problem with just about every other Marine that I talked to about the problem. They too noticed that he always seemed to be showering whenever they went in, and that he was always in the aroused state. That certain Marine would take the longest showers, making sure that he was in there for the length of time that it took for every other Marine to shower.

That is a problem which I'm pretty sure will continue to occur with the new DADT policy, and perhaps even more brazenly.
52 posted on 12/21/2010 3:22:27 PM PST by adorno
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To: abigailsmybaby

I don’t know, but I doubt we’ll like the answer to that question.


53 posted on 12/21/2010 3:23:05 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Whenever Barney talks about “silliness” I think of him, secondly, and the people of MA FIRST!


54 posted on 12/21/2010 3:24:06 PM PST by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: Disambiguator

ROTLMFAO ! I love the sign ! That should be made into a sticker and put on Barney Fag’s I mean Frank’s door !


55 posted on 12/21/2010 3:26:28 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: Sub-Driver

“What do you think happens in the House of Representatives? “

It’s true. Rahm “Ballarena” Emmannuel loved to prance nake around the showers.


56 posted on 12/21/2010 3:26:56 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

One of the networks said 75 percent of the American people support Barney on this issue. That’s the problem, 75 percent of the American people!


57 posted on 12/21/2010 3:28:14 PM PST by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: Echo4C

The solution, of course, is for every soldier, sailor, marine, airman to file endless sexual harrassment complaints against the queers in the military.

Non-stop.


58 posted on 12/21/2010 3:30:18 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: traditional1

“This amounts to “preferential treatment” for a certain group, while the other group doesn’t have the same “benefit”. “

Amusingly didn’t they argue that it wasn’t about ‘special rights?’

Looks like Ann Coulter knocked another one out the park!


59 posted on 12/21/2010 3:31:24 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rush speaks! I hear, I obey)
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To: trisham

Thanks to dems we’re getting way too close to the day when the only people who have a choice are queers and pregnant women.


60 posted on 12/21/2010 3:33:49 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ( I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. Yogi Berra)
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