Posted on 12/24/2010 8:49:29 AM PST by Lazamataz
But what if it isn't - at least for their purposes? That is, what if the remaining tax base, productive economy and overall military capabilities are no longer sufficient to provide them with the level of control & power they seek?
In other words, what if they believe there are other, greener pastures in which to nourish and advance a new corrupt kleptocracy? If this were the the case, then wouldn't they cede the dried, spent husk to those who still valued it?
Consider the last scene in the Road Warrior. The pilgrims sneak out, finally leaving the refinery to the thugs, who then triumphantly storm the facility just in time to experience their reward.
I know the analogy is flawed, in that in our case, the bad guys are those fleeing, leaving the flaming wreck to the rest of us. But, consider its application.
We have been blued, screwed & tattooed. What does a player do with a loose, stupid chick who is no longer attractive and/or interesting? Do they fight to retain the beat 'ho, or do they dump her and move on to something newer & prettier?
A good think piece, Laz. Whatever we do, we should consider the long-term ramifications. But we must do something quickly; I fear we don’t have even another generation before totalitarianism.
Well, there are some issues with that...
You wrote: “Then you are saying you’d be loyal to the government no matter what they did, as long as “elections” were held? At what point would you consider the government to be illegitimate?”
That’s a tough one. If you respect the Constitution, you have to respect, and accept, majority rule.
If the majority, through their elected representatives, wants something that I despise, I must accept it. Or I can peacefully try to change it via the next election.
But there are two exceptions to this. Suppose that the majority wants something that is unconstitutional and is a clear and present danger. Then what?
I have no easy answer here, except to say that many folks cry “clear and present danger” too easily, when in actually the next election could solve the problem if the majority wanted.
The second exception is the one you noted: blatant voter fraud. Again, I have no easy answer there. Widespread and continuous voter fraud really is something that could bring down the Republic.
I'm serious. First, you will learn who is doing what where.
Then, you will be able to shift things in oh-so-subtle ways.
You can decide if you want to reform the Democrats in your midst, or run them off a cliff.
Operation Hyper-Chaos.
Yes! Below is a map made by socialists after the John Kerry emasculating loss in 2004. Many of the socialist want secession too. We are already two separate peoples. It would be like when Norway and Sweden split in two: no big deal.
While it is true that the Left found ways to expand Government at every step, the Left has run into an unplanned and unexpected (for them) problem: funding.
If you look at the UK 40 years ago, it was then in the position of being overwhelmed by bureaucratic overmanagement as is the U.S. today.
...and the UK was broke. Along came Thatcher to make the mandatory reforms, and the socialistic behemoth was rolled back across Britain.
Likewise, U.S. cities, counties, states, and the federal government are bumping up against Britain’s 1970’s-era funding issues.
You see, government can only grow so large compared to the private sector...at which point poverty sets in at government and private levels alike.
So there is a natural limit to the expansion of Socialism. China didn’t get rich by remaining orthodox communist, after all!
The U.S. has advantages today that China and the UK did not, too. For one thing, private citizens have won the tax cut debate and have won the firearm ownership debate.
OK, granted, we’re losing the gay rights debate, but really, that’s pretty trivial in the grand scheme of things so long as we win the eventual battle over abortion being banned.
Next, we’ve got to fight and win the spending debate...but fiscal reality is on our side (because spending cuts *must* be made as there simply isn’t enough wealth to pay for all of the current level of promises for pensions and benefits).
Anyway, time is on our side. Fiscal reality is on our side. Facts are on our side. Historical inevitability is on our side.
No need to be impatient. It’s OK if California goes broke first before we restore fiscal sanity. Really. It’s OK if union goons see their pension funds fail first before we restore fiscal sanity.
We’ll live.
Bang!
My FRiend, I do believe that You have the answer...
Merry Christmas to All...
Interesting map. I would however like a bit more of Canada (for fishing purposes).
I agree. Efforts should be concentrated at the state level to make sure there are people in office who have the guts to do what is necessary. States need to adapt an old slogan to our new situation. “Just say ‘NO’” to the Feds. And mean it.
Yeah, I think so too ( We’ll live )
It is just gonna suck in the meantime...
“Some people believe that armed citizens don’t stand a chance against an army, especially one as powerful as USA. This is the BS lie all governments around the world want you to believe, but the reality is very different.
If every block in the country, USA for example, has a dozen men with fire arms, the one that doesn’t stand a chance is the military force. It’s the perfect guerrilla setup, and a general’s worst nightmare.
You can’t nuke or level every block. You can’t arrest the entire country. The “fighters” are already armed, fed, spread out, integrated and infiltrated into the military and government branches. It’s impossible to win.”
Fernando Ferfal Aguirre (SURVIVING THE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE )
IMO, it should be common knowledge where their city, state and federal officials, the county bureaucrats and local and federal police officers live, every single one of them!
It is not difficult to make someone live in fear for their lives as many of you already know. Making our elected local, county, state or federal officials acutely aware of that feeling is not a popular idea amongst the posters on this thread but having that taste in your mouth is not one quickly forgotten. Don’t go after them in their protected offices when their families are as vulnerable as our are.
If our LEO’s or military troops under the orders of our elected local, county, state or federal officials ever administer violent treatment to US citizens then it should be returned in equal force to their superiors families.
I promise you that a single bullet through the kitchen window of the Mayors house will make for an excited dinner conversation. The Mayor will then understand exactly what he did when he ordered violence against his townspeople.
The Chief of Police’s wife isn’t immune from explaining to her husband what a wonderful job he’s doing if her home receives a copper jacketed message through her front door or bedroom wall.
There is no need to go after the street level officers, their bosses are the ones who issue the orders and they should be the ones to receive the 1200+ foot per second message.
Our case may differ than the above two, with the dollar as likely as it is to collapse and fall as it is. We have a great dice-throw ahead of us. I give it 2 to 10 years before a serious collapse in a dollar -- which represents and backs our unsustainable debt level.
Will it be back to true Capitalism, or something else?
It is more likely to be Capitalism and a return to the Constitution, but only if we Infiltrate and Educate.
Thank you, dear sir.
>>While it is true that the Left found ways to expand Government at every step,<<
Head stuck? Bush was the one who formed the Department of Homeland Security and in doing so almost DOUBLED the size of the Feds in DC. Yes, he ran on the Right, was elected by the Right but his zealous spending reminded me of the current maniac we have from the Left.
Correction: I am ambivilent to armed action. If it would be more effective, I'd be for it. It just looks less effective, so I am not.
I do retain one caveat: Effective or not, if the thugs come bringing violence proactively, to your home or neighborhood, fire at will. Alexander Solzhenitsyn had it right.
You’re an odd bird, though. All hat, no cattle...lots of barking, little bite.
People aren’t lining up city streets to be your friend, and you wouldn’t want them if they did (which they won’t).
Which is to say, catering to someone so division and bitter isn’t going to help any large-scale political movement.
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