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Why Wasn't Loughner's Mental Health Evaluated? (no one filed 'involuntary psychiatric evaluation')
My Fox Phoenix ^ | 1/11/11

Posted on 01/12/2011 12:06:03 PM PST by Libloather

Why Wasn't Loughner's Mental Health Evaluated?
Despite many red flags, he was never evaluated
Updated: Tuesday, 11 Jan 2011, 6:50 PM MST

TUCSON - As the legal case against Jared Loughner makes its way through the court system, the question is: could anything have been done to prevent the attack? Does anyone bear responsibility for failing to stop him?

Pima Community College asked Jared Loughner to leave and not come back until his parents could show he was getting help with his mental health needs. That did not happen.

An expert on mental health law in Arizona wishes the school had taken a different approach.

It was no secret to people who knew Jared Loughner. His classmates say he was troubled. His odd behavior at Pima Community College drew the attention of campus police.

Under Arizona law, the school could have sought an involuntary psychiatric evaluation for Loughner, but didn't.

"Had they chosen to file an application for an involuntary application, that would have triggered a process to evaluate him to the mental health system, rather than to the community college system," says Charles Arnold, a mental health attorney.

(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxphoenix.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; giffords; laredloughner; loughner; mental; mentalhealthsystem; mentalillness; psychiatry; schizophrenia
Jared Lee Loughner: School Wanted Mental Evaluation - Two months before, on Oct. 7, Pima Community College sent a letter to Loughner's parents stating that if Loughner wished to return to the school, he would have to "obtain a mental health clearance indicating, in the opinion of a mental health professional, his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others," the school said in a statement.
1 posted on 01/12/2011 12:06:05 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

This piece also answers the question “Why was someone so nuts able to get a gun?”

Because officially he was not nuts.


2 posted on 01/12/2011 12:11:28 PM PST by DManA
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To: Libloather
Q: Why Wasn't Loughner's Mental Health Evaluated?

A: Political Correctness.

3 posted on 01/12/2011 12:11:33 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: Libloather

I thought he was Sarah Palin’s responsibility... that what they said on MSNBC :)

Interesting article.


4 posted on 01/12/2011 12:14:03 PM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Libloather

How often is that Az mental health law used?


5 posted on 01/12/2011 12:15:46 PM PST by DBrow
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To: 5thGenTexan

Yup!!

That’s the whole thing in a nutshell.

The US is committing suicide with this s^%t!!


6 posted on 01/12/2011 12:15:58 PM PST by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Libloather

Is he really as nuts as his mug shot shows? Was the extreme makeover nut look a set up an insanity defense? Maybe he is not as nuts as he wants us to think.


7 posted on 01/12/2011 12:16:00 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: 5thGenTexan

Personally, I don’t want government funded schools reporting people for involuntary psychiatric evaluation.

NEA teachers and most in the education industry today are socialists and worse. They will report Christians or anyone who is pro life or anti gay marriage.

Let’s not ask for it.


8 posted on 01/12/2011 12:16:43 PM PST by donna (Political Correctness is cultural Marxism - Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms.)
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To: Libloather
Sheriff Duped is playing political hardball. How bout' some fair play?

Why didn't Sheriff Dope have one of his own guarding the Congresswoman? Didn't he already know about this guy? Does he have blood on his hands?

9 posted on 01/12/2011 12:17:53 PM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Libloather

I wonder if they copy these types of letters to the sheriff’s department?


10 posted on 01/12/2011 12:19:51 PM PST by noexcuses
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To: DManA

Because he was over 18, and if he did not want to submit to a psych eval, his parents couldn’t make him.


11 posted on 01/12/2011 12:21:25 PM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: Libloather
The school's interest was the safety and well being of its students and faculty. It addressed that problem by expelling Loughner and conditioning readmission on a clean report from a mental health professional. It was not the school's responsibility to have him involuntarily committed for evaluation. That was his parents’ job or, at worst, the job of the civil authorities who were well aware of the behavior he had exhibited at the school.
12 posted on 01/12/2011 12:22:39 PM PST by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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To: Libloather

I must caution all against the practice of allowing goobers in gooberment agencies to determine who is sane and who is not. Remember how bureaucrats/collectivists abused that schtick in the old USSR?

It is apparent at first glance, that if those people at that meeting had been armed, things would have been different. Very different.

“that it is their right and duty to be at all time armed” - Jefferson, in his 1824 letter to Cartwright.

“A government that fears arms in the hands of it’s people should also fear ROPE!”

- Nathan Bedford Forrest about 1845


13 posted on 01/12/2011 12:25:00 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Libloather
the school could have sought an involuntary psychiatric evaluation for Loughner

Geez, why are people so quick to pass the blame...the ONLY person responsible for this crime is the person who pulled the trigger.

14 posted on 01/12/2011 12:25:18 PM PST by SouthDixie (The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly and lie about your age.)
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To: ottbmare

I’ve been told that there is an Az law that says citizens can request a psyc exam for someone for cause, not sure what the details are, but I think one outcome is an involuntary exam if the person looks dangerous to self or others.


15 posted on 01/12/2011 12:29:05 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DManA
My question is how did he afford a new Glock 19? I would love to buy a new gun, but I need to balance my budget. He seems to have been unemployable. Did his parent's give him the $700.+? No one is asking.
16 posted on 01/12/2011 12:32:22 PM PST by fogofbobegabay
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To: Libloather
Does anyone bear responsibility for failing to stop him?

Yes. Jared Loughner does. Why is what someone does always someone else's fault?

17 posted on 01/12/2011 12:32:35 PM PST by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: GladesGuru

“It is apparent at first glance, that if those people at that meeting had been armed,”

Some were, I think.


18 posted on 01/12/2011 12:32:43 PM PST by DBrow
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To: 5thGenTexan

I’ll go you one further.
He was a homo.
Political correctness forbids the association of homosexuality with mental illness.

Treating as mentally ill would violate this prohibition.


19 posted on 01/12/2011 12:34:15 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: DBrow

True. One has said he didn’t draw his gun because he could not be sure how the perp was.


20 posted on 01/12/2011 12:35:49 PM PST by DManA
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To: 5thGenTexan

A: Laziness.

Like just about every other person in the world, they just did not want the hassle.


21 posted on 01/12/2011 12:37:11 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Don't taze my junk bro.)
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To: SouthDixie
Geez, why are people so quick to pass the blame...the ONLY person responsible for this crime is the person who pulled the trigger.

Not really.

That is like saying that the drunk driver is the only person responsible for a fatal accident after the local sheriff saw him stagger to his car outside the bar and drive away without the sheriff doing a thing about it.

The suspect in Saturday's shooting rampage in which a U.S. congresswoman was critically wounded was unstable and had been known to make death threats in the past, the local sheriff said. ........ Dupnik said there had been earlier contact between Loughner and law enforcement after he had made death threats,

Now you know why Sheriff Dupnik is so eager to blame Rush Limbaugh for the shooting.

22 posted on 01/12/2011 12:39:27 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Libloather

“...file an application for an ‘involuntary psychiatric evaluation’...”
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I wonder if I can do this in Georgia?
I should go ahead and start my list;
it will include a few family members, and lot of co-workers.


23 posted on 01/12/2011 12:41:03 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: GladesGuru

Did a little research, apparently there was someone in the Safeway in Tucson who was carryng, ran toward the gunfire, but it was over when he got there. I don’t have a solid link for that yet.


24 posted on 01/12/2011 12:43:16 PM PST by DBrow
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To: donna
Personally, I don’t want government funded schools reporting people for involuntary psychiatric evaluation.

Exactly. Too Big Brother-ish. Parents knew he was wacko but he was legally an adult though they could have forced him in for evaluation. But again, much responsibility likewise falls back to Sheriff Wingnut for not following up on the dozens of complaints against him.

25 posted on 01/12/2011 12:48:25 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: All

do we really want this to be easy for the government to do to just anyone? (political enemies, gun permit ccw applicants, conservatives...)


26 posted on 01/12/2011 12:57:45 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Libloather
Did privacy laws prevent the campus police from referring him to sheriff's office??
27 posted on 01/12/2011 12:58:32 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Libloather
I assume the school just wanted to get rid of him. They might have found themselves at the center of a lawsuit if they signed committment papers, and the person doing the evaluation said he was not a danger to self or others.

There is the "who pays for it?" question. Did Loughner have insurance?

There is the nobody wants to commit a paranoid nut to the hospital because he may seek revenge on them when he gets out. Family members, and friends are often aware of someone needing help. Sometimes they fear if that person "writes them off", they will no longer be able to help him, or insulate him from the outside world.

One of my paranoid schizophrenic patients tried to attack his Mom with a chain saw. She called police. At that point, law enforcement sought the committment, leaving the family off the hook.

I think that with mental illness, just like with alcoholism, or substance abuse, families become enablers.

28 posted on 01/12/2011 1:02:47 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: longtermmemmory

veterans...


29 posted on 01/12/2011 1:31:31 PM PST by NEMDF
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To: DBrow

One young man who was interviewed was armed and had his hand on his gun as he ran to the scene to stop the shooter if he had succeeded in reloading and continuing to go at the rate he started out. As it was, I think he was able to help hold the shooter down until the law got there. - If you aren’t armed and someone starts shooting, run! and zigzag as you run! A moving target is harder to hit. What a choice! If I did carry, I’d end up shooting myself in the foot. :o(


30 posted on 01/12/2011 1:48:26 PM PST by Twinkie (Awake and strengthen that which remains . . . . . . . . Revelation 3)
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To: Twinkie

A lot of it is that the kids today have a lot more time to submerge themselves in fantasy video games, all sorts of nutty movies and books, things like that. Back in the day when kids had to share in helping the family put food on the table, kids didn’t have all this time to contemplate their linty belly buttons; a favorite leftist occupation.


31 posted on 01/12/2011 1:52:47 PM PST by Twinkie (Awake and strengthen that which remains . . . . . . . . Revelation 3)
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To: Libloather

1st, I do not believe that the school sent a letter addressed to his parents.
That would have been a breach of privacy re. the school records of an adult student.
I do believe that they sent it to his house, which was, of course, his parent’s.

2nd, as far as committing him, give me a break.
There are probably several tenured professors just as crazy, albeit, less violent, teaching there.


32 posted on 01/12/2011 2:03:27 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: 5thGenTexan
A: Political Correctness.

Or political cronyism, protecting the families of their own.

-PJ

33 posted on 01/12/2011 2:07:51 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: GladesGuru

This morning on NPR the effete elite were already on the air saying guns do NOT get used in defense. They want to prevent the armed citizens could have ended this very fast facts from comming out.

This crazy person would have been examined, passed and gone on his way.


34 posted on 01/12/2011 2:24:22 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: bill1952

We would have to have all of the staff and personalities of MSNBC examined...


35 posted on 01/12/2011 2:31:56 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Twinkie

lol Practice, practice, practice! Get into IPSC, IDPA, even pins or speed plates. All will build your confidence so that when it drops in the pot, you won’t think of how to draw, acquire, and squeeze, your muscles will know how. At least that’s my theory. Besides, it’s fun and you meet nice people.

I also think that if you are carrying a gun and have an inkling of what to do with it, you are much more likely to move toward the commotion and gunfire, since you’ll know you have a chance at doing something positive to stop it.


36 posted on 01/12/2011 7:27:46 PM PST by DBrow
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