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Buzz Builds for Kel-Tec KSG 12ga Twin-Tube Bullpup Shotgun
The Truth About Guns ^ | 12 January, 2011 | Robert Farago

Posted on 01/14/2011 5:08:26 AM PST by marktwain

TTAG loved it some Kel-Tech Sub-2000. Capt. John Raguso reckoned it was a far better choice for home defense than a shotgun: less recoil, more bullets, wieldy as a pen knife, foldable for bug-out duty, accurate, cheap, lovely! Throw in some frangible ammo to eliminate that pesky over-penetration problem and Bob’s your uncle. I’m getting one in 9mm, which may force me to switch from a Springfield XD-M to a Glock 19 (yes one of those), ’cause the Sub-2000 takes Glock mags. Anyway, the Sub-2000′s a hit. Not a runaway success, but a solid hit. But this, THIS is monster . . .

14+1 rounds from a compact shotgun? As our KSG post viewing stats and Oleg Volk’s fascination [below] prove, the buzz is building for this ballistic bad boy. We’ll make a beeline for it at SHOT. [Click here and here for more KSG gun porn]


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41 posted on 01/14/2011 7:15:39 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: marktwain

Price?


42 posted on 01/14/2011 7:16:43 AM PST by verity
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To: bossmechanic

Looks to be a lot cheaper than the Saiga


43 posted on 01/14/2011 7:35:52 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
You can get a Saiga 12ga for around $500. This K-T retails for over $800.

Double check your math... ;-)

44 posted on 01/14/2011 7:41:40 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: Charles Martel
"FWIW, there are lower-recoil 12-gauge loads that are suited to home defense. The Aguila 1 3/4" Mini 12-ga shotgun shells are one such example. Aguila's "Minibuck" shot loads are stuffed with 7 pellets of No. 4 Buck and 4 pellets of No. 1 Buck at 1200 fps. Not all repeating shotgun designs feed the stubby little things well, but it's an option that should be explored if recoil is an issue."

Good to know. And possibly one argument in favor of the pump over semi-auto.

"Also, are not standard 20-gauge shells the same length (2-3/4", minimum) as 12-gauge? The Aguila minis might add one shot to the tube, but in general, 12s and 20s load the same."

Agreed, but my point with the 20 gauge is lower recoil and better control of the short weapon, not number of rounds available. It's fairly obvious from the video that recoil is pretty stiff.

45 posted on 01/14/2011 7:42:54 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Second Amendment First
"Hornady TAP (Tactical Application Police) 12 gauge 00 buck/low recoil. I use them in my Mossberg with pistol grips."

Also good to know, but I am not convinced that 00 buck is the best load for home defense. Once upon a time many years ago, I read an article about a "great white hunter" type who led big-game safaris, and had to act as "stopper shooter" in case the client failed a kill. He said that jaguars were the most dangerous game, and he chose No.1 buck, as the greater number of wound channels gave more blood-loss and quicker kill/stop.

That logic made sense to me.

46 posted on 01/14/2011 7:43:35 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Charles Martel

“The Aguila minis might add one shot to the tube”

They do better than that. I can get 6 minis in my 4 shot Mossy 500 tube.


47 posted on 01/14/2011 7:57:08 AM PST by green iguana
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To: Wonder Warthog

I think it all depends on range.

At 15 feet, bird shot is as good as buck.

As range increases, the larger buck shot will retain more energy. There is probably a middle range where No. 1 is better than 00.

It sounds like a fun day at the range figuring out which is better at what range.


48 posted on 01/14/2011 7:58:49 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: fella

I fear this will go the way of the street sweeper. As for a spreader tube, the ATF banned, as a DD, the Magazine fed (I forget the name), of several years ago because the muzzle was too large. I want one, but You know Chill Penury.


49 posted on 01/14/2011 8:00:25 AM PST by barb-tex (What else did you expect from the likes of 0? BTW, What ever happened to Rhodesia?, Oh, yes, Zimbabw)
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To: Wonder Warthog

The difference between 00 and #1 is what, 8 balls compared to 10? I don’t know it makes that much difference; individual preference I suppose. The low recoil allows faster recovery for followup shots.

Interesting story about using buckshot as a dangerous game stopper. Bleed out is a slow way to kill a charging animal. I would think the fastest stop would be brain, spinal cord or shoulder/heart shot. Teddy Roosevelt killed a jaguar with a .30-06.


50 posted on 01/14/2011 8:12:04 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Wonder Warthog
...a "great white hunter" type who led big-game safaris, and had to act as "stopper shooter" in case the client failed a kill. He said that jaguars were the most dangerous game, and he chose No.1 buck, as the greater number of wound channels gave more blood-loss and quicker kill/stop.

Yes. That was an American Big Game guide and hunter, Peter Hathaway Capstick. He recommended No.4 buck as the best load to stop a wounded jaguar in mid-air who was leaping for your throat. He had to do it a number of times and it never failed.

Peter Hathaway Capstick. His books are some of the absolute best in print if you love true adventure and his story telling is unsurpassed.

51 posted on 01/14/2011 8:18:18 AM PST by Gritty (The FCC banning FOX NEWS would be a big favor to political discourse and America -Sen Rockefeller)
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To: Dead Corpse

The sites I found had the Saiga for 900-1200.


52 posted on 01/14/2011 8:21:51 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: henry_reardon

Probably a manual selector, possibly augmented by some sort of spring-loaded feeler on one tube that forces selection to the other when empty.


53 posted on 01/14/2011 8:43:38 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: driftdiver

http://www.google.com/search?q=SAiga+12ga&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=SAiga+12ga&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=shop:1&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wf&biw=1264&bih=826&fp=c72bee5a4a93f9a3


54 posted on 01/14/2011 8:44:09 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: marktwain
Like I said elsewhere, neat concept but I'll wait for ver 2.0. Meanwhile I heart my Saiga 12......20+ rounds in a comparable size and semi-auto ;-)
55 posted on 01/14/2011 8:52:08 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: Wonder Warthog
You can obtain 12 gauge loads that have the recoil of a 20 gauge.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/25rds-12-gauge-federal-le-tactical-low-recoil-hydrashok-slug

56 posted on 01/14/2011 9:10:38 AM PST by marktwain
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To: edpc

I like my Mossberg, too!


57 posted on 01/14/2011 9:27:52 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Joe Brower
Pretty cool. A muzzle brake would be nice... +1 on the 20 gauge, also with a muzzle brake.

Hard to beat just al old Remington or Ithaca with a short barrel, though. Flashlight grip optional.

58 posted on 01/14/2011 9:34:16 AM PST by OKSooner (Obama confessed "his muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show on September 7th, 2008.)
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59 posted on 01/14/2011 9:57:19 AM PST by NoLibZone (Five time DNC backed candidate Fred Phelps: "God sent the shooter".)
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60 posted on 01/14/2011 9:59:08 AM PST by NoLibZone (Five time DNC backed candidate Fred Phelps: "God sent the shooter".)
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