Buzz Builds for Kel-Tec KSG 12ga Twin-Tube Bullpup Shotgun

The Truth About Guns ^ | 12 January, 2011 | Robert Farago

[Joe Brower]

Friday Fun Thread.

[verity]

Price?

[driftdiver]

Looks to be a lot cheaper than the Saiga

[Dead Corpse]

You can get a Saiga 12ga for around $500. This K-T retails for over $800.

Double check your math... ;-)

[Wonder Warthog]

"FWIW, there are lower-recoil 12-gauge loads that are suited to home defense. The Aguila 1 3/4" Mini 12-ga shotgun shells are one such example. Aguila's "Minibuck" shot loads are stuffed with 7 pellets of No. 4 Buck and 4 pellets of No. 1 Buck at 1200 fps. Not all repeating shotgun designs feed the stubby little things well, but it's an option that should be explored if recoil is an issue."

Good to know. And possibly one argument in favor of the pump over semi-auto.

"Also, are not standard 20-gauge shells the same length (2-3/4", minimum) as 12-gauge? The Aguila minis might add one shot to the tube, but in general, 12s and 20s load the same."

Agreed, but my point with the 20 gauge is lower recoil and better control of the short weapon, not number of rounds available. It's fairly obvious from the video that recoil is pretty stiff.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Hornady TAP (Tactical Application Police) 12 gauge 00 buck/low recoil. I use them in my Mossberg with pistol grips."

Also good to know, but I am not convinced that 00 buck is the best load for home defense. Once upon a time many years ago, I read an article about a "great white hunter" type who led big-game safaris, and had to act as "stopper shooter" in case the client failed a kill. He said that jaguars were the most dangerous game, and he chose No.1 buck, as the greater number of wound channels gave more blood-loss and quicker kill/stop.

That logic made sense to me.

[green iguana]

“The Aguila minis might add one shot to the tube”

They do better than that. I can get 6 minis in my 4 shot Mossy 500 tube.

[dangerdoc]

I think it all depends on range.

At 15 feet, bird shot is as good as buck.

As range increases, the larger buck shot will retain more energy. There is probably a middle range where No. 1 is better than 00.

It sounds like a fun day at the range figuring out which is better at what range.

[barb-tex]

I fear this will go the way of the street sweeper. As for a spreader tube, the ATF banned, as a DD, the Magazine fed (I forget the name), of several years ago because the muzzle was too large. I want one, but You know Chill Penury.

[Second Amendment First]

The difference between 00 and #1 is what, 8 balls compared to 10? I don’t know it makes that much difference; individual preference I suppose. The low recoil allows faster recovery for followup shots.

Interesting story about using buckshot as a dangerous game stopper. Bleed out is a slow way to kill a charging animal. I would think the fastest stop would be brain, spinal cord or shoulder/heart shot. Teddy Roosevelt killed a jaguar with a .30-06.

[Gritty]

...a "great white hunter" type who led big-game safaris, and had to act as "stopper shooter" in case the client failed a kill. He said that jaguars were the most dangerous game, and he chose No.1 buck, as the greater number of wound channels gave more blood-loss and quicker kill/stop.

Yes. That was an American Big Game guide and hunter, Peter Hathaway Capstick. He recommended No.4 buck as the best load to stop a wounded jaguar in mid-air who was leaping for your throat. He had to do it a number of times and it never failed.

Peter Hathaway Capstick. His books are some of the absolute best in print if you love true adventure and his story telling is unsurpassed.

[driftdiver]

The sites I found had the Saiga for 900-1200.

[Still Thinking]

Probably a manual selector, possibly augmented by some sort of spring-loaded feeler on one tube that forces selection to the other when empty.

[Dead Corpse]

http://www.google.com/search?q=SAiga+12ga&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=SAiga+12ga&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=shop:1&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wf&biw=1264&bih=826&fp=c72bee5a4a93f9a3

[rockrr]

Like I said elsewhere, neat concept but I'll wait for ver 2.0. Meanwhile I heart my Saiga 12......20+ rounds in a comparable size and semi-auto ;-)

[marktwain]

You can obtain 12 gauge loads that have the recoil of a 20 gauge.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/25rds-12-gauge-federal-le-tactical-low-recoil-hydrashok-slug

[blackie]

I like my Mossberg, too!

[OKSooner]

Pretty cool. A muzzle brake would be nice... +1 on the 20 gauge, also with a muzzle brake.

Hard to beat just al old Remington or Ithaca with a short barrel, though. Flashlight grip optional.

[NoLibZone]

[NoLibZone]