Repetitive motion injury is one of the leading causes of non-combat injuries in the military. New technology may change that, though:
Posted on 01/19/2011 11:11:11 PM PST by neverdem
Heather Pfleuger -- an exuberant, all-American, girl-next-door -- was transformed when she arrived in Afghanistan. She'd shrug into her body armor, strap on her helmet, yank on gloves, goggles and scarf, and slide down behind her turret-mounted Mark-19, a 40mm grenade launcher. From there, she could kill an armored vehicle and everybody in it a mile away.
When she whooped with glee and led a convoy outside the wire, local Afghan fighters, hard men who'd faced down the Russians and the Taliban, fell respectfully silent.
"Specialist Pfleuger can hit anything," her squad leader. Sgt. Kevin Collins, told me proudly. "I feel sorry for anyone who gets in her sights."
That was nine years ago, when Pfleuger was deployed to eastern Afghanistan with the 511th Military Police Company. At the time, I wrote a story boldly asserting that with women like Pfleuger easily accepted in the ranks, doing well at war and liking it, the argument over women in combat "is over."
It wasn't over. In fact, it's about to heat up again. A study commission chartered by Congress is poised to send up to Capitol Hill a recommendation that the last remaining barriers to women – those that formally exclude them from infantry, armor and special forces -- be removed.
Those "close combat" troops -- roughly 14 percent of the military -- are the ones that most jealously guard the all-male cohesion and camaraderie they insist makes them effective in the chaos and stress of long-term exposure to combat.
Never mind that some 200,000 women like Pfleuger have served in wartime Iraq or Afghanistan, that 134 have been killed and 721 wounded in action. With women attacking insurgents with strike fighters and helicopter gunships, machine guns and mortars, riding shotgun on convoys through IED territory and walking combat patrols with the infantry, the Defense Department and the military services have labored mightily to define just what it is that women cannot volunteer to do.
That hasn't been easy, given that in today's wars there are no front lines and no safe rear areas, as the saga of Army Pvt. Jessica Lynch aptly demonstrated (a 19-year-old supply clerk, she was captured and hospitalized by Iraqis after her military convoy got lost in 2003 and her truck crashed during an ambush).
The Army has tried to block women from joining units that "engage an enemy . . . while being exposed to direct enemy fire, a high probability of direct physical contact with the enemy's personnel, and a substantial risk of capture."
That seems to precisely define the situation of Army Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester, an MP, who won the coveted Silver Star for her actions in a firefight in Iraq in 2005. When the convoy she was escorting was caught in an ambush, she leapt out and attacked an enemy trench. Then, with her squad leader, she cleared two trenches, killing three insurgents with her rifle. At the time, she was 23 years old.
Getting the award for heroism "really doesn't have anything to do with being a female," she told reporters. "It's about the duties I performed that day as a soldier."
A group of female Army cooks apparently felt the same way. They were deployed to Iraq where they discovered all the cooking was done by civilian contractors. Instead, they were pressed into service as infantry and came home proudly wearing the highly prized Combat Infantryman Badge, earned only by participating in a firefight with the enemy while a member of or assigned with infantry or special forces.
That's a piece of evidence cited by the Military Leadership Diversity Commission, the group of retired senior military personnel, academics and other civilians whose recommendations on lifting the barriers will be published this winter.
Despite the boots-on-the-ground reality that women serve well and honorably and bravely in combat, what looms ahead are months of contentious congressional hearings and hot-tempered talk show shout-fests and angry op-eds, just like the season of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" of 2010. And this time, the pivotal House Armed Services Committee is led by GOP conservative Buck McKeon of California, who opposed allowing gays to serve openly in the military.
As with the "Don't Ask" debate, the argument will come over whether the presence of women, in small units that must operate for extended periods under fire, would be disruptive.
Would women – if any actually volunteered for and could qualify for an infantry unit -- actually break its tight cohesion and cripple its fighting spirit?
"There's a growing number of women out there who have served 'outside the wire' on combat missions," said a woman who served on active duty in Iraq as an Army intelligence officer. "We carried a full basic load of ammunition and fired the SAW [squad automatic weapon, a light machine gun], .50-cals [heavy machine guns] and M-4 [rifles]) to protect our fellow man and to defeat the enemy," said this young officer, who asked not to be identified by name because of her current job. "We have endured the same harsh living conditions as men, where hygiene isn't exactly a priority," she said.
To insist that gender goes unnoticed in such small units would be "inane," she said; there is a "familial" relationship among the soldiers. "Those who serve for the sake of serving and take pride in their jobs do not feel threatened by sexual orientation, race or gender," she said.
In basic officer training, this young woman was offered the chance to take the physical exam for acceptance into Ranger school, the Army's legendarily tough commando course. She and two other women aced the test – even though they were barred from attending the male-only school or to join Ranger units.
"The truth is that very few women and few men can meet or exceed the desired standards of an Army Ranger," she said. "But some can, and they should be given the opportunity."
In its brief for lifting the barriers, the commission cited research that it said found no negative impact from allowing women to serve in close-combat units. It cited a RAND study which found that "gender differences alone did not appear to erode cohesion." The study was published in 1997, well before women began taking a larger role in combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
That and similar studies are "wrong!" said retired Army Maj. Gen. Robert Scales, a combat veteran, historian and former commandant of the U.S. Army War College. "They simply don't understand the nature and character of close combat . . . the 'Band of Brothers' effect," he said recently on Fox TV news.
Scales, an expert on small combat units, said in fact there is no research that settles the question, and that allowing women into such units, in wartime and without knowing how it would affect combat effectiveness, would be risky.
"I've studied this for three decades," Scales said. "The bottom line is nobody knows -- the elements that make up cohesion in a firefight simply aren't known. And to rush into this, in my opinion, could damage cohesion."
And so the battle is joined. Stay tuned.
The uninformed journalist was probably thinking of the Combat Action Badge, which is awarded to non-infantry soldiers who’ve seen combat. One must BE infantry to earn the CIB, not cook, drive or clean for them.
military myth? Carlos Hathcock supposed to have killed a female Viet Cong sniper called “Apache Woman.” She reportedly delighted in torturing and slowly killing young Marines wounded in ambush or in traps set for them in the jungle. When she and her squad entered his prepared, long-range ambush, Hathcock is said to have identified her as the target when she squatted to pee.
Repetitive motion injury is one of the leading causes of non-combat injuries in the military. New technology may change that, though:
Rackin’ my memory, but Israeli women fought alongside men in the Haganah only during the Israel war for independence in 1948. All the problems of morale and discipline came to the fore, and from then on women soldiers were relegated to support roles.
Pix of Israeli girl soldiers carrying their M-16s slung across the butt are neat (I have one of a gal in a bikini slinging her weapon) but doesn’t mean they are combat soldiers.
It’s more like where I was deployed the threat level was minimal but everyone had to carry their M-16 & magazines but no combat gear; it was mostly a pain in the neck.
BTW, that photo on this thread of the girl soldier saluting just breaks my heart. She’s as pretty as a picture but IMO hasn’t a clue about killing people & breaking things.
Men like them are the reason red flags have never flown over Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, or the Malacca Strait. Your and their strong battle killed a million of their cadres in the field and made sure their armies never made it to Singapore, which I'm personally sure was Ho Chi Minh's dream. May he rot in hell.
I like to think that disaster is ahead for the barking moonbats instead. They're going to end up trying to Australian-crawl to Iceland to get away from us.
Hope they man up with booze and body grease. That's a cold swim.
Yes, I agree she needs to be propping up a doorway, waiting for her soldier boy to come home. Submerging women in combat is just sick, and evidence that ideology has driven out someone's humanity.
One of the best M60 / M2 gunners I’ve ever observed was a female. She could squeeze off three round bursts almost every time. She was very accurate as well.
Thanks for the ping!
Young folks here who have not lived enough and our handful of fembots don't know that and the latter never will
And it's not just the obvious physical, it's mental as well.
Women are simply not suited to such stress as well as men.
I have watched this all my life.
Which is why when I support Sarah Palin for POTUS I say so qualifying her as an EXCEPTIONAL woman with exceptional being used as intended...an exception...a rarity.
Military might is won on common sense not exceptions.
It is not by accident that no one in history has used women in combat in any numbers except in desperate measure like children or old men. The Israelis in their Socialist and desperate heyday tried it and were not happy with it.
The Amazons were a myth now taught as truth by Gender Studies idiots.
Sure there have been exceptions of women leaders...Bodicea (failed but inspired), Elisabeth, and Maggie...Golda Mier was not a good leader in my opinion
but there have been few decent women military examples outside of spies and a handful of Russian fighter pilot-Luftwaffe fodder
I'm not willing to experiment and the only reason we do is because we are sick as a culture and soft as putty spiritually.
I am just simply saddened this even needs explaining.
ditto for open homosexuality there too
once again Gates, Obama’s whore does his bidding to socially engineer the military...
my rant
I think you can get a CIB being in forward combat theatre and never had engaged the enemy
as usual the author is nspeaking our his-her arse with their propaganda
Viet Cong were homegrown insurgency.
the question was about women in NVA battalions
of which I too am skeptical
no one questions women used as VC insurgents
precisely where women have historically been used in such dire attempts
largely made ineffective in much of Vietnam during Tet.
just an observation but I see posters here soft on women in forward combat also are south bashers, race baiters and PC on most social issues
i have crossed swords with them
too bad they didn’t take the the bait on the homopurge threads
I’ll take a Free Republic Neo Reb over these squishy Yankee RINO’s anyday.
In combat areas toilet and washing facilities are rudimentary at best and, often, nonexistent, and some studies have found that, for women soldiers, “unmet basic hygiene needs affect morale” and their ability to cope in combat circumstances, says Browne of Wayne State. In such situations, some women “retained urine and stool and limited their water intake to reduce the number of times they would have to go to the bathroom,” which both increased their risk of urinary-tract infections and dehydration and decreased their ability to work at top efficiency. ( Kingsley Browne, Co-Ed Combat: The New Evidence that Women Shouldn’t Fight the Nation’s Wars (2007), p.259)http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=176941452434
Actually the military’s last bastions are the service academy football teams. When are they going to be integrated?
Or maybe the military doesn’t want to lose football games by adding players of lesser size, strength and skills
(crickets)
11C, indirect fire infantrymen, also known as mortarmen, are organic to rifle companies and rifle battalions. When did they stop getting CIBs?
I was unaware of MOS 11C infantry mortarman.
I thought everybody in the rifle company had the rotating honor of carrying the baseplate.
they probably said the same thing about black soldiers....and about black quarterbacks....
I'm against women in combat on principle.....we need to keep some civility in our culture and women and children STILL should have a special position of being kept from the worse of life...
women don't have to be in combat to serve in vital careers in the military....which they do already....
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