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Women in Combat: Study Recommends Ending Military's Last Male Bastion
Politics Daily ^ | David Wood

Posted on 01/19/2011 11:11:11 PM PST by neverdem

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To: VeniVidiVici

The uninformed journalist was probably thinking of the Combat Action Badge, which is awarded to non-infantry soldiers who’ve seen combat. One must BE infantry to earn the CIB, not cook, drive or clean for them.


61 posted on 01/20/2011 5:59:32 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: lentulusgracchus; bushpilot1

military myth? Carlos Hathcock supposed to have killed a female Viet Cong sniper called “Apache Woman.” She reportedly delighted in torturing and slowly killing young Marines wounded in ambush or in traps set for them in the jungle. When she and her squad entered his prepared, long-range ambush, Hathcock is said to have identified her as the target when she squatted to pee.


62 posted on 01/20/2011 6:00:07 AM PST by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: flowerplough
Carlos Hathcock is supposed to have killed ...
63 posted on 01/20/2011 6:03:13 AM PST by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: USNBandit
On ships a lot of stuff gets moved by hand. Subs take all their supplies on board by hand, and while it may seem mundane loading 4 months of food on board is a lot of physical work.

Repetitive motion injury is one of the leading causes of non-combat injuries in the military. New technology may change that, though:


64 posted on 01/20/2011 6:16:45 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Rackin’ my memory, but Israeli women fought alongside men in the Haganah only during the Israel war for independence in 1948. All the problems of morale and discipline came to the fore, and from then on women soldiers were relegated to support roles.

Pix of Israeli girl soldiers carrying their M-16s slung across the butt are neat (I have one of a gal in a bikini slinging her weapon) but doesn’t mean they are combat soldiers.

It’s more like where I was deployed the threat level was minimal but everyone had to carry their M-16 & magazines but no combat gear; it was mostly a pain in the neck.

BTW, that photo on this thread of the girl soldier saluting just breaks my heart. She’s as pretty as a picture but IMO hasn’t a clue about killing people & breaking things.


65 posted on 01/20/2011 6:20:31 AM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: bushpilot1
Thank you for your posts, I read them with interest. CAPT Carlson was a brave man, and Spec4 Ogas likewise.

Men like them are the reason red flags have never flown over Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, or the Malacca Strait. Your and their strong battle killed a million of their cadres in the field and made sure their armies never made it to Singapore, which I'm personally sure was Ho Chi Minh's dream. May he rot in hell.

66 posted on 01/20/2011 6:37:36 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Travis McGee
We are going to try to remake Americans into asexual drones, a much, much harder task. Disaster is ahead for our society.

I like to think that disaster is ahead for the barking moonbats instead. They're going to end up trying to Australian-crawl to Iceland to get away from us.

Hope they man up with booze and body grease. That's a cold swim.

67 posted on 01/20/2011 6:41:21 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: elcid1970
BTW, that photo on this thread of the girl soldier saluting just breaks my heart. She’s as pretty as a picture but IMO hasn’t a clue about killing people & breaking things.

Yes, I agree she needs to be propping up a doorway, waiting for her soldier boy to come home. Submerging women in combat is just sick, and evidence that ideology has driven out someone's humanity.

68 posted on 01/20/2011 6:43:54 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: neverdem

One of the best M60 / M2 gunners I’ve ever observed was a female. She could squeeze off three round bursts almost every time. She was very accurate as well.


69 posted on 01/20/2011 8:03:31 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (America has two cancers - democrats and RINOS.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


70 posted on 01/20/2011 8:32:24 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem; Travis McGee
Men and women are different...extremely.

Young folks here who have not lived enough and our handful of fembots don't know that and the latter never will

And it's not just the obvious physical, it's mental as well.

Women are simply not suited to such stress as well as men.

I have watched this all my life.

Which is why when I support Sarah Palin for POTUS I say so qualifying her as an EXCEPTIONAL woman with exceptional being used as intended...an exception...a rarity.

Military might is won on common sense not exceptions.

It is not by accident that no one in history has used women in combat in any numbers except in desperate measure like children or old men. The Israelis in their Socialist and desperate heyday tried it and were not happy with it.

The Amazons were a myth now taught as truth by Gender Studies idiots.

Sure there have been exceptions of women leaders...Bodicea (failed but inspired), Elisabeth, and Maggie...Golda Mier was not a good leader in my opinion

but there have been few decent women military examples outside of spies and a handful of Russian fighter pilot-Luftwaffe fodder

I'm not willing to experiment and the only reason we do is because we are sick as a culture and soft as putty spiritually.

I am just simply saddened this even needs explaining.

ditto for open homosexuality there too

once again Gates, Obama’s whore does his bidding to socially engineer the military...

my rant

71 posted on 01/20/2011 8:35:54 AM PST by wardaddy ("Out Here" by Josh Thompson pretty much says it all to those who will never understand anyhow)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I think you can get a CIB being in forward combat theatre and never had engaged the enemy

as usual the author is nspeaking our his-her arse with their propaganda


72 posted on 01/20/2011 8:37:52 AM PST by wardaddy ("Out Here" by Josh Thompson pretty much says it all to those who will never understand anyhow)
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To: flowerplough
NVA regular and VC chick different thing

Viet Cong were homegrown insurgency.

the question was about women in NVA battalions

of which I too am skeptical

no one questions women used as VC insurgents

precisely where women have historically been used in such dire attempts

largely made ineffective in much of Vietnam during Tet.

73 posted on 01/20/2011 8:44:24 AM PST by wardaddy ("Out Here" by Josh Thompson pretty much says it all to those who will never understand anyhow)
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To: lentulusgracchus; central_va

just an observation but I see posters here soft on women in forward combat also are south bashers, race baiters and PC on most social issues

i have crossed swords with them

too bad they didn’t take the the bait on the homopurge threads


74 posted on 01/20/2011 8:46:17 AM PST by wardaddy ("Out Here" by Josh Thompson pretty much says it all to those who will never understand anyhow)
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To: wardaddy

I’ll take a Free Republic Neo Reb over these squishy Yankee RINO’s anyday.


75 posted on 01/20/2011 8:49:24 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: flowerplough

In combat areas toilet and washing facilities are rudimentary at best and, often, nonexistent, and some studies have found that, for women soldiers, “unmet basic hygiene needs affect morale” and their ability to cope in combat circumstances, says Browne of Wayne State. In such situations, some women “retained urine and stool and limited their water intake to reduce the number of times they would have to go to the bathroom,” which both increased their risk of urinary-tract infections and dehydration and decreased their ability to work at top efficiency. ( Kingsley Browne, Co-Ed Combat: The New Evidence that Women Shouldn’t Fight the Nation’s Wars (2007), p.259)http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=176941452434


76 posted on 01/20/2011 8:58:18 AM PST by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: neverdem

Actually the military’s last bastions are the service academy football teams. When are they going to be integrated?

Or maybe the military doesn’t want to lose football games by adding players of lesser size, strength and skills

(crickets)


77 posted on 01/20/2011 9:46:24 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: elcid1970
IIRC, the Combat Infantryman Badge(CIB) is awarded only to those holding the MOS of 11B or 11H.

11C, indirect fire infantrymen, also known as mortarmen, are organic to rifle companies and rifle battalions. When did they stop getting CIBs?

78 posted on 01/20/2011 11:05:24 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

I was unaware of MOS 11C infantry mortarman.

I thought everybody in the rifle company had the rotating honor of carrying the baseplate.


79 posted on 01/20/2011 11:17:33 AM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
"Here is the test. Put them in their own brigade with no men to do the heavy lifting. We'll see how long the notion of a new frontier remains."

they probably said the same thing about black soldiers....and about black quarterbacks....

I'm against women in combat on principle.....we need to keep some civility in our culture and women and children STILL should have a special position of being kept from the worse of life...

women don't have to be in combat to serve in vital careers in the military....which they do already....

80 posted on 01/20/2011 12:02:33 PM PST by cherry
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