These people are just too stupid to believe.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
It is crazy to set up a huge expensive bureaucratic system, require everyone to jump though hoops and prove that they are *not* criminals in order to try, ineffecively, to prevent the few individuals who are not responsible, from having legal access to guns.
This is a failed paradigm, and it should be abandoned. To accept the idea that the all gun sales should be monitored by the government, and only allowed to those it deems satisfactory is fundamentally wrong.
A person so far out of his or her gourd as to imagine reasons to shoot someone else (not counting the prosaic crimes of robbery, murder etc.) ought to be in the rubber room until he or she recovers. Because guns aren’t the only way to kill — there’s knives, and poisons, and germs, and clubs, and such.
Coburn obviously has been bought off by the Beltway crowd.
And not the first he has jumped off the real conservative bandwagon: He supported John McCain very early on in the 2008 Presidential campaign.
Oklahoma is a good conservative state...and it may be time for them to Tea Party Mr Coburn out the next time he is up for re-election
“Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), one of the fiercest Second Amendment defenders on Capitol Hill, supports another look at gun laws designed to block firearm sales to the mentally ill, his office said Thursday. Congress passed such a law in 2007...”
Yeah, you might want to consider another law, because that 2007 thingy worked out so well. Idiot.
Just outlaw schizophrenia. It would be just as effective.
You have to wonder about all these so-called conservatives who veer to the left once in office.
Are they sociopaths who lied to get into office?
Are they that insecure that they need the approval of left-wing media?
Were they caught toe-tapping in bathroom stalls (Graham, Lugar?), or in bed with a dead girl or a live boy?
You don’t see the shift the other way where liberal Democrats become conservative. There’s something toxic about D.C.
Coburn got too close to the KoolAid, again.
Dr. Coburn has really gone squishy on us. Disappointing.
How can ANY self-respecting Republican, Conservative or not, FALL FOR THIS NONSENSICAL GUN CONTROL B.S.?
Hey Tom:
Mayhaps you can discuss your ideas with one of the most virulent, anti-2nd Amend (NAZI) Zealots in the Senate (Chuck-you-Schumer) in between singing verses of "Kumbaya" when you cozy up to him during the SOTU address next week?
What are they putting in the water in the Sodom on the Potomac, anyway?
Loughner was not a diagnosed psychotic, this law wouldn’t have stopped the Tuscon shooting.
You’re losing it Coburn, congress doesn’t need to act every time there’s a tragedy like this.
Coburn is a scary dude. He comes to the senate as a no-nonsense conservative. Now after drinking the beltway water he wants to sit koombaya with his buddy Schumer. On top of that now he wants to re-visit the 2nd amendment, not to mention how he’s voted on some controversial bills.
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH COBURN ALL OF A SUDDEN? First he wants to sit t the State of the Unionwith Chuck Schumer, the most partisan, belligerent, two-faced, lying SOB in the Senate. NOW, THIS CRAP?
This does not pass the smell test. WHAT DO THEY HAVE ON HIM?????? Photos? emails? men’s room footsie? Something is not right here.
Sheriff Dipstick is more responsible for the Tucson massacre than any gun control law laxity. He had ample indication that Loughner was unstable. Coburn should not buy into the liberal mindset that wanting a gun is a mental illness. If he wants to investigate whether voting Bolshecrat is a mental illness, have at it.
Oops...should I have used a different set of expressions? /sarcasm
That is a dangerous idea right there - far more dangerous than a weapon in an individual's hand. Just who gets to decide who is "mentally ill" or not, and who may be a "threat" to themselves or others? Further, mental illness is not a binary determination. Just how mentally ill, what kind of psychosis etc. will someone have to be before they are judged (yes, judged) to be unfit to own a firearm?
These questions are the heart of the matter. I seriously believe liberals and anyone who ascribes to the liberal philosophy and ideology are mentally ill. Two reasons for that.
First, they promote a system (socialism) that has been proven, yes proven time and again, to be a failure. There are no, nor have there ever been, socialist societies where the populace his happy, prosperous, and free. It just doesn't happen, period. Historical evidence and a dispassionate look at socialism and human nature quickly shows that it will never work. Yet these "liberals" keep promoting socialism and socialistic ideas. That's being disconnected from reality, and that is a mental disorder.
Second, socialism requires fascism to enforce its ideals. Human nature being what it is, no-one really likes the idea of a state entity confiscating their property and the fruits of their labors to redistribute to others - as the state sees fit. Therefore socialism requires a strong, oppressive state to enforce the wonderful {snort} ideals of socialism and collectivism. However, "liberals" will tell you that under socialism we'd all be happy and we'd all rise together on the tide. BS. Again, disconnected from reality - a mental illness. Or they know it is a lie and they are psychotic in that respect.
So I contend, and believe and I can defend (more fully than I have room for here) that "liberals" and leftists are, to no small degree, mentally ill. If we're going to prevent them from owning a firearm because they might hurt themselves or others... Shouldn't we really prevent them from hurting themselves and others via other means too? They should not be allowed to teach, to pass on their mentally deficient ideas and ideals to others. They shouldn't be allowed to make or influence laws that might impose their warped views on others. How's that sound lefty lurkers?
"However," Hart added, "he won’t support any measure that prohibits any American from buying or possessing a firearm without cause."
Hey, snapper head... Read The Bill of Rights. It is not yours (nor the governments') place to infringe on our rights at all. The right to own a firearm is not yours, nor anyone else's, to grant or not grant as you see fit. At best, if the government can show exceptional cause as to why someone should have one of their fundamental rights taken away, then they can be prevented from owning a firearm, or whatever other right the oppressors want to take. Fundamentally though, the burden of proof should be on the government as to why an inalienable right should be taken away. It is the same as trying to take away someone's right to live. I, or anyone else, should not have to prove our inalienable right prior to obtaining a firearm. It is that little concept of "innocent until proven guilty" that forms the basis of our laws. The government should have to prove to me and the seller that I am to be denied my rights. I should not have to prove I have the right.
Throwing more law and money at negligence solves nothing.
These people are just too stupid to believe.
There's a gun shop/shooting range that I've hung out at for over 40 years. I've become friends with both families that have owned it. They've sold guns to people that they were sure were: gangbangers, gun runners to Mexico, and nutcases. In every case the purchaser cleared the background check, so what choice did the gun shop have? Refuse them?
They'd get sued by the NAACP over refusing the gangbangers
They'd get sued by the MALDF over refusing the gun runners to Mexico
They'd get sued by the ACLU over refusing the nutcases.
Most of the people that work at gun shops have developed a good set of radar, and I'll bet could be very close to 100% accurate in predicting the reason a gun is being purchased.
But wait, we can't get them involved because they are the “enemy”, part of the “gun culture”. Let's come up with a hundred new stupid laws and systems, none of which will work.
This all comes up after the AZ shooting, and the shooter’s background WAS checked by the FBI, and nothing turned up. Nothing CAN turn up unless for some reason a person has been under the care of a psychiatrist or been committed. That didn’t happen here. The parents knew he was going off the deep end, his friends knew it, certainly other students knew it. But since he never sought treatment (and since no around him forced him into treatment), his name wasn’t on anyone’s list. New laws will not change that.
That's exactly the point.