Hawaii Ground Report: ( Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Legally Barry Soetoro

The HillBuzz ^ | 1/23/2011 6:52:06 AM | Kevin DuJan

[hennie pennie]

I believe that was mistaken information; there is a freeper in this thread who already mentioned that when her mom remarried and her new husband adopted the children, that the ORIGINAL BCs were sealed.

Sealed documents can only be unsealed by court order.

What is curious here, though.... is that .... the Dems should NOT be worried or paranoid about legally SEALED documents.

So... maybe he never was adopted??? And... maybe ..this, maybe... THAT????

[1_Rain_Drop]

"I do not understand why people keep harping on the Original Long Form BC, as that would have been permanently sealed by the family court conducting the adoption."

I think it's because the majority of people are not aware of the adoption. They don't know the procedure. Most have not heard of the name barry soetoro. Whenever I mention that name, I'm asked "Who's that?" when I explain, they give me a look that clearly says I'm off my rocker.

The adoption side of barry's life needs more exposure.

[Publius Maximus]

So, would the short form with the new name that he did submit for public view be a total fraud in the case where the original has not been amended with new latest/greatest legal name?

Oh, and would a (for the sake of argument) natural born citizen who was later adopted by a foreigner and NOT properly repatriated be eligible to serve as commander in chief? Certainly that would seem to violate the spirit of the eligibility requirement, if not the letter.

And I still think Frank Marshall Davis is the daddy.

On every level, this man's bio screams dishonesty and fraud. That does not, sadly, prevent him from being a politician, and if anything is a resume enhancer in this moral dark age.

[mylife]

I dont care if his name is Oliver Boliver Butt, Lets’s just get this SOB out of office.

[Cincinnatus]

BTW, since he has not LEGALLY changed his name and he signs everything 0bambi, anything he signs is a fraudulent document and is therefore, null and void

A common misconception. You can legally call yourself anything you want so long as there is no intent to defraud. BHO certainly had a legitimate reason to go back to his birth name which he held until he was adopted by a man who subsequently was no part of his family. It would not legally nullify any acts he took after re-assuming his old name.

[Abby4116]

My son-in-law was legally adopted by his “stepfather” after his father’s death and his mother’s remarriage and his ORIGINAL STATE ISSUED BIRTH CERTIFICATE lists his”stepfather” as his father. There is no mention of his birth father nor of his original last name. This was in PA and he is close in age to BHO.

[deport]

Part of the HI statute:

§338-20 Adoption. (a) In case of the adoption of any person born in the State, the department of health, upon receipt of a properly certified copy of the adoption decree, or certified abstract thereof on a form approved by the department, shall prepare a supplementary certificate in the name of the adopted person, as fixed or changed by the decree, and seal and file the original certificate of birth with the certified copy attached thereto.

(b) The registrar of births shall show on the supplemental birth certificate the names of parents as stated in the adoption decree pursuant to section 578-14.

(c) Any certified copy of final decree of adoption, or abstract thereof, of persons born in the State, rendered by courts of other states and territories subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, or courts of a foreign country, shall be considered properly certified when attested by the clerk of the court in which it was rendered with the seal of the court annexed, if there be a seal, together with a certificate of the presiding judge, chancellor, or magistrate that the attestation is in due form.

(d) If no original certificate of birth shall be on file with the department, the department may require such evidence as it deems necessary to establish the facts of birth before preparing a supplementary certificate in the new name of the adopted person; provided that no such certificate shall be filed unless it shall be satisfactorily established that the adopted person was born in the State.

(e) The sealed documents may be opened by the department only by an order of a court of record or when requested in accordance with section 578-14.5 or 578-15. Upon receipt of a certified copy of a court order setting aside a decree of adoption, the department shall restore the original certificate to its original place in the files. [L 1949, c 327, §24; RL 1955, §57-23; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-20; am L 1978, c 50, §1; am L 1979, c 203, §2; am L 1980, c 153, §6 and c 232, §18; am L 1988, c 274, §2; am L 1990, c 338, §2]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0020.HTM

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Apparently the rules vary from state to state. Texas:

Adoption records, whether they are sealed or closed, vary from state to state. The sealed adoption records hold the original birth certificate, adoption court documents and the adoption agency or adoption attorney information that facilitated the adoption. In Texas, adoption records are sealed, opened only by a court order or mutual consent through the Texas Vital Statistics Central Adoption Registry.

Read more: How to Open a Sealed Texas Adoption Record | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_5463202_open-sealed-texas-adoption-record.html#ixzz1Brq60Cv8

[omega4179]

I doubt Stanley Ann bothered changing his B/C
what if the real B/C says Barry Dunham
Then his identity is a fraud anyway, regardless of Lolo adopting him.

[hennie pennie]

B I N G O ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

>>>>> "Then why doesn't the governor of Hawaii say so? He could just say, 'He was legally adopted by Soretero and so his birth certificate has been legally changed to reflect that'? Instead of fumbling around saying he can't find it or access it?" <<<<<<

Precisely!!

THIS is The.Question, and NOT, "Where's the BC?"

AND..... another basic, and major question is why didn't lawyers like Ann Coulter and HOW MANY SENATORS ARE LAWYERS, any conservative L.A.W.Y.E.R.S out there???, why haven't any legally trained minds ... long-long-long-long ago ever mentioned the OBVIOUS, that the original COLB would be sealed????

Now... surely Hillary's BFF Philip Berg the attorney knew something as simple as that, right???

[Pearls Before Swine]

Re: "the original documents are sealed... can't be opened except by court order."

OK, I understand that, and I see how it works for adoptions. But, is the presence of such an envelope concealed as well, or is it evident? So, if we conjecture that BHO's birth certificate was altered in the course of the adoption, can't we ask as to whether there is a sealed envelope with earlier information, even without opening it?

Here's another question: Suppose this is true, and BHO has decided to use the more African sounding Obama name. Should he have had it changed legally? If it was changed legally, would it have to be added to the BC file (I think not)? If not, and he's doing business under an alias, is that a big deal? He's the political artist known as "Barack Obama" a la Prince.

Actually, I think that would be problematic, because it would probably mean that as an adult he hasn't renounced Indonesian citizenship, not to mention issues of collegiate aid fraud. I don't think I could just change my name on official documents, driver's licenses, passports, etc., without going through the court system to make it official.

[deport]

A legally sealed document can ONLY be unsealed by court order.

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That’s my point. They can be unsealed based upon state laws and apparently Obama doesn’t want to share.

[dennisw]

The jug eared stooge was ten years old when him mama brought him from Indonesia to Hawaii. Did he travel on a US passport? What name was on that passport? Did he perhaps travel under an Indonesian passport

As far Obsmaa’s name being changed to Barry Soetero by his step dad. I’m sure that name change was never formally done in America. May have been done in Indonesia. Just saying as far as American courts go Obama never changed his name

[mad_as_he$$]

My question also. This “theory’ is laughable at best.

[jagusafr]

in Texas that only happens on the specific motion of the adoptive parents.

Colonel, USAFR

[aruanan]

But from farther down in the piece, this bit of illogic:

Knowing him, I can also imagine Obama putting “Barry Soetoro” on all of his college application paperwork, because it’s exotic sounding and Indonesian and he wanted foreign student grants and admissions preference. When he got to campus, he quickly saw that it would be more politically advantageous for him to coopt a black, not Indonesian, identity, so the chameleon in the White House started listening to Jeremiah Wright’s speeches to pickup the black preachers [sic] affected speech…and started having everyone call him by his original name again, “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.”, because it sounded blacker than Barry Soetoro, and to get ahead in the niche he was carving for himself, Obama needed to be blacker than a Barry Soetoro ever could be.

Gee, what about this Barry? He was pretty black but his name was White and no one questioned his "blackness" because of either name:

[IllumiNaughtyByNature]

Didn Fukino and Ligle both say the saw the long form BC and verified it? Please tell me that I did read that somewhere? If I did read that, how does it stand if the face of the current “sealed, no one can see it” meme?

[Publius Maximus]

I dont care if his name is Oliver Boliver Butt, Lets’s just get this SOB out of office.

That would be greatly facilitated if the general public was aware of the nuances of the deep identity issues and rage at our way of life that Obama has as a result of his communist mother and whatever muslim-sympathizing communist provided the seed.

As it is he'll build a billion dollar war chest and count on the media to head-fake the Republicans into fruitless paths of confrontation instead of exposing who and what he is and has already done to subvert the Constitution.

He's going to get re-elected unless the truth gets out, whereas, if the truth were out, he'd already be evicted from office.

That's where I get frustrated. The truth just won't out in time to save the Republic, it seems to me. The consequences of what has already been done simply can't be avoided, short of divine intervention.

Which at the moment is my last hope.

[stansblugrassgrl]

I’m adopted and I have my original BC.

[Cincinnatus]

LET ME GET EVERYONE'S ATTENTION: IF THE ORIGINAL BC WAS SEALED BECAUSE OF THE ADOPTION, AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, THEN THE COLB ISSUED BY THE CAMPAIGN IS A FRAUD!

IT SHOULD READ "SOETERO."

IT'S THE COVERUP!

[hennie pennie]

WHERE are you, Polarik??

>>>> "I thought that whenever a child is legally adopted, that the ORIGINAL birth certificate is permanently sealed, and the NEW legal birth certificate contains their NEW legal name, as an adopted child.

I do not understand why people keep harping on the Original Long Form BC, as that would have been permanently sealed by the family court conducting the adoption." <<<<