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With emergency order, Fla. Attorney General outlaws bath salt used as drug
Palm Beach Post ^ | Thursday, Jan. 27, 2011 | By DARA KAM

Posted on 01/27/2011 8:32:58 AM PST by Fawn

TALLAHASSEE — Hoping to fend off a rash of overdoses in Florida during the upcoming spring break, Attorney General Pam Bondi has outlawed a synthetic drug cocktail masquerading as "bath salts" that apparently gives users super-human strength and has similar effects to LSD, heroin and cocaine.

Bondi issued an emergency order Wednesday banning the drug -- Methylenedioxypyrovalerone or MDPV -- after Bay County Sheriff Frank McKeithen brought the dangerous concoction to her attention Friday.

"I frankly had a nightmare last night that someone was going to overdose on this and we hadn't done anything," she said.

Unlike real bath salts, sold as a means to relax and unwind, this product "makes you think you are seeing monsters and makes you think you can fly," Bondi told reporters.

(Excerpt) Read more at palmbeachpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bathsalts; drugs; florida; stupidkids

1 posted on 01/27/2011 8:32:58 AM PST by Fawn
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To: All

Stupid kids....I have mixed feelings over this.


2 posted on 01/27/2011 8:33:32 AM PST by Fawn (CANCER SUCKS)
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To: Fawn
"I frankly had a nightmare last night that someone was going to overdose on this and we hadn't done anything," she said.

The worst kind of person you want in power right there.

3 posted on 01/27/2011 8:35:54 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: decimon; Smokin' Joe; DvdMom; muawiyah
*ping*

Bizarre... it's the first I've heard of this.

4 posted on 01/27/2011 8:36:06 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Fawn
Attorney General Pam Bondi has outlawed

An attorney general can outlaw something? Isn't that the purview of the legislature?

5 posted on 01/27/2011 8:37:29 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Fawn
"I frankly had a nightmare last night that someone was going to overdose on this and we hadn't done anything," she said.

The nightmare is that government officials pass laws based upon their "feelings."

6 posted on 01/27/2011 8:39:41 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: Sir Gawain

“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

-C. S. Lewis


7 posted on 01/27/2011 8:39:58 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: Fawn

So, the Fla Attorney General is a kind of dictator now? And a stupid one at that. Cocaine is banned in fla too, idiot.


8 posted on 01/27/2011 8:40:24 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Fawn
Unlike real bath salts, sold as a means to relax and unwind, this product "makes you think you are seeing monsters and makes you think you can fly," Bondi told reporters.

What is this? 1966? Is this THE ONION? Are people still this hysterical?

While they're at it, they should burn a couple of witches.

9 posted on 01/27/2011 8:41:33 AM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: Eepsy

Great quote. I hadn’t heard that one before.


10 posted on 01/27/2011 8:42:42 AM PST by VA_Gentleman ("Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very internet you invented." -Jon Stewart)
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To: hennie pennie
"I frankly had a nightmare last night that someone was going to overdose on this and we hadn't done anything," she said.

Be thankful this person isn't dreaming about guns, cars, balconies, plastic bags, radios in the shower, swimming pools, lawn darts, cigarettes, sharks in the ocean, meteorites, UV-B, or the Yellowstone Caldera.

No telling what sort of new decrees might go forth...

11 posted on 01/27/2011 8:45:50 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Fawn
Hey do-gooders, if you snort Mr.Bubble you'll see monsters and nightmares too.

You can't stop stupid people from doing stupid things. Especially addicts.

I watched people snort automatic dishwasher powder, and they liked it.

Some things you just need to let go.

12 posted on 01/27/2011 8:46:10 AM PST by blackdog
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To: hennie pennie
I wonder what sort of 'bath salts' give appointees and even minor elected officials the power to decree things illegal?

'OK, Officer Calgon, take them away!'

13 posted on 01/27/2011 8:47:52 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Fawn

this is a WTF moment...bath salts are de riguer for me

pour in...turn on the ports...trip out with monsters and hear that train acoming

damn...i knew they would catch on eventually

guess it’s back to morning glory seeds now


14 posted on 01/27/2011 8:47:58 AM PST by wardaddy ("Out Here" by Josh Thompson pretty much says it all to those who will never understand anyhow)
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To: Fawn

My feelings are mixed on this too. I have heard recently that kids are smoking and snorting all sorts of common things. Used to be when I was in school that we would buy a big bottle of vanilla extract and get loopy on that. Mouthwash worked too. Then they started IDing kids for it.

If the products are legitimate bath salts, what is the problem? If they are cocaine or meth disguised as bath salts, that is a completely different story. Law enforcement should be trying to locate the manufacturers of this stuff and arrest them on false advertising, or something of the like, considering meth and coke are already illegal.

If these are legitimate bath salts that people can use for bathing and/or aromatherapty and kids just happen to be snorting it to get high, it is the same damn thing as vanilla extract or mouthwash. Heck, look at what they did to pseudoephedrine. Used to be OTC, now you have to get it from a pharmacist. Just ridiculous.

Let them kill themselves. Others will notice, kids will start realizing, Gee, this stuff is dangerous. If governments existed during the time of the dinosaurs, we would have a bunch of incredibly retarded animals walking around.


15 posted on 01/27/2011 8:48:40 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Fawn

Only so much stupidity can be outlawed. Outlawing drugs is one thing ... outlawing common items that hammerheads are using as if they were drugs is another entirely.

There is always another chemical around the corner.

SnakeDoc


16 posted on 01/27/2011 8:49:11 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("They made it evident to every man [...] that human beings are many, but men are few." -- Herodotus)
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To: Sir Gawain

She just sounds like a Mom.


17 posted on 01/27/2011 8:50:04 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Smokin' Joe

What’s next? Laws that prohibit inhaling? At least the war on drugs will be cheaper and faster in coming to a conclusion.


18 posted on 01/27/2011 8:50:18 AM PST by blackdog
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To: rarestia

I think the government was here during the dinsaur era. What else explain all the incredibly retarded animals waliking around and running for public office?


19 posted on 01/27/2011 8:52:26 AM PST by blackdog
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To: blackdog

I have numerous friends and even a few members of my family who would be dead today if it was not for government. And it may sound calloused, but I would be okay if they were. Our parents taught us right from wrong. If something is wrong, it is wrong. Period, end of discussion. If a bunch of kids are snorting bath salts, smoking K2, playing the pass out game, or riding their bikes on the interstate, what does it matter? If they were not taught any better, then it is the fault of the parents. If they were and they did it anyway, Darwin is doing his job.

I would rather have 1,000 kids die from snorting bath salts than to ban a legitimate substance because of something they MIGHT do. When we were kids, we used to melt speed bumps in the school parking lot with gasoline. We would melt styrofoam with gasoline and light it in a steel drum to make what we called napalm. Gasoline and styrofoam are still legal, and I would bet a least a dozen kids lost hair or worse from those exploits.

It is all about natural selection, survival of the fittest, etc. Legislating safety is complete garbage. Like a puppy, they will always find a way.


20 posted on 01/27/2011 9:00:47 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
While they're at it, they should burn a couple of witches.

She turned me into a newt!
21 posted on 01/27/2011 9:03:26 AM PST by slumber1 (Texas Rangers - 2010 American League Champions!)
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To: blackdog
Laws that prohibit inhaling?

Shhhhhhhh!

Be quiet, breathe gently, that way you can get the drop on 'em....

(/s, as if)

They don't want to stop us from breathing, they want to require us to exercise until we look like we graduated from the Bergen-Belsen diet plan, and then tax us for the CO2 emissions.

22 posted on 01/27/2011 9:07:49 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: blackdog
What else explain all the incredibly retarded animals waliking around and running for public office?

Maybe something in their bathwater?

23 posted on 01/27/2011 9:08:44 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: rarestia
My dad worked in a prison. We had a friend of the family who had a son who was really a mad machine. After a decade of crime he ended up in the max security prison my dad worked in. The friend came over upset one day, asking my dad what she could do to get him out and make his life better? He told her he was where he belonged for the good of everyone and the sooner she lets him take his own responsibility for that, the better off her entire family would be. My mom was so mad at him for saying that!

Years later she confided in my dad that that was the best advice she ever received.

24 posted on 01/27/2011 9:09:26 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Fawn

Oh yeah, like a piece of paper with writing on it will stop anyone.


25 posted on 01/27/2011 9:10:44 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White)
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To: blackdog

Said the same thing about my brother before he turned his life around. I was ready to call the cops for my mother, but something happened that turned him around. We are all grateful for it, but she never wanted to admit that she knew it would be better for him to be incarcerated than dead.

This bath salts thing is dumb, and I am quite irritated by my AG for pulling this unilateral crap.


26 posted on 01/27/2011 9:11:46 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Fawn

Thank you Governor Quixote!
.


27 posted on 01/27/2011 9:13:26 AM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: slumber1
She turned me into a newt!

Did you get better?

28 posted on 01/27/2011 9:16:06 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum (Please...someone...ask the asshole to leave the office.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

>> “outlawing common items that hammerheads are using as if they were drugs is another entirely.” <<

.
Remember “Mellow Yellow?”
.


29 posted on 01/27/2011 9:17:50 AM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: Fawn

I had never heard of this until the press pounced on this....I wonder how many idiot adicts are thinking I never heard that either and now they are going to try it....

We need to outlaw everything...maybe then we will be safe....


30 posted on 01/27/2011 9:20:08 AM PST by Kimmers (Tell a lie often enough it becomes political........)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
She turned me into a newt!
Did you get better?


Yes I did.......but SHE'S A WITCH!
31 posted on 01/27/2011 9:23:52 AM PST by slumber1 (Texas Rangers - 2010 American League Champions!)
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To: Kimmers
Ideas, yes that's the problem. Might as well outlaw banana peels, gasoline, absinthe while she's at it. Pam's a smart lady, but she screwed up on this one. Pam - the Florida Legislature gets to pass laws, you enforce them. Rick Scott... rein her in. oh and Pam, you're still hot.

32 posted on 01/27/2011 9:28:51 AM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: Fawn

They messed up bigtime, they only got one of the many. MPDV is not the only designer drug being sold as “bath salts” or “plant food” - and they’re sold that way in a shallow attempt to skirt the DEA’s Analog Laws. That way, the suppliers from China can claim the products are “Not for Human Consumption”, and therefore do not violate the Analog laws, but it’s well known what their real purpose is. Most of these designer drugs that your kids can walk into almost any convenience store and buy are simple analogs of the VERY illegal drugs MDMA (Ecstacy) and Methcathinone, and are classified as psychedelic amphetamines. The most prominent drugs being dumped in our neighborhoods by China are MPDV, Mephedrone, and Methylone. They produced tons and tons of these white powders and were selling them to kids in the UK Dance Club scene, until they started overdosing in droves, and the UK suddenly banned them. China quickly started shipping their surplus poisons to the US, and within a few short months their “products” are now on sale just down the street in all 50 states. These drugs are completely unknown “research chemicals”, with no real medical studies on their effects on humans. And yes, most demonstrate varying degrees of addiction (especially mephedrone). Thank you, China...


33 posted on 01/27/2011 9:34:28 AM PST by thatdewd
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To: wardaddy

Yep, a hot tub, candles, bath salts and a couple 4 Loko’s...it’s sure to set the perfect mood with wifey...just don’t forget the water-wings.


34 posted on 01/27/2011 9:39:32 AM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

I voted for Pam Bondi...because Sarah PAlin endorsed her....


35 posted on 01/27/2011 9:55:38 AM PST by Fawn (CANCER SUCKS)
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To: blackdog
Some things people you just need to let go.

Fixed it.

36 posted on 01/27/2011 9:57:12 AM PST by Fawn (CANCER SUCKS)
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To: thatdewd

Oops, my acronymal dyslexia struck again. MPDV should be MDPV.


37 posted on 01/27/2011 10:04:47 AM PST by thatdewd
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To: rarestia
These “bath salts” were being sold at the front counter of some gas stations.
Right next to the “incense” that came in many flavors...and were located next to the “rolling papers” used to smoke them with.

Not the venue most people frequent to buy their luxury personal hygeine items.It may interest you that Publix, Walmart,CVS, Bed Bath and Beyond, etc, do not carry these single use “bath” products.

Not exactly a direct competitor to Calgon, but it will take you away...

I don't have any mixed feelings on this.
If a gas station sold pint bottles of gasoline to minor children, would you also have “mixed feelings” about the intended use of the product?
Or are you ignorant of the dangers of “huffing gas”?

38 posted on 01/31/2011 4:50:09 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Fawn

“”makes you think you are seeing monsters and makes you think you can fly,” “

Corn liquor.


39 posted on 01/31/2011 4:51:27 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: sarasmom

It’s not about ignorance. This is about government legislating outside of the will of the people. I voted for Bondi, but to knee-jerk ban something without any explanation is a bit much.

It’s not the government’s responsibility to dictate safety. They’ve taken the “Defense” idea a bit far. If parents can’t tell or don’t talk to their kids about this, it’s not the government’s problem when they start ODing. That should urge parents to talk to their kids more if there’s a spate of ODs.


40 posted on 02/01/2011 10:54:36 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
I have been awaiting a return of common sence to government.

Bondi “banned” something that was a known clone to an already banned dangerous substance, and there is no legal controversy in her action, as far as I can tell.

Since I do try to keep current on current events, I didn't really require a long explanation of the latest “market based” attempt to sell dangerous drugs to minor children.

The companies producing these products, and those companies selling them, are just the latest variations of garden variety illegal drug dealers.

I am not an ignorant Libertarian, aka anarchist.
“You” want to sell dangerous, mind altering drugs to my kid?
“I” want to stop you from doing so.
The government says I can't kill you to protect my child from your actions.
What makes you think I must abide by government edicts, but you don't have to live within the law?

You want anarchy?

Bring it.

41 posted on 02/03/2011 8:18:10 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom

I’m not a parent myself, so I’m sure you have insights that I cannot possibly understand yet.

I’m not a Libertarian in the strictest sense, but I do believe that people are responsible for their own actions, including children. Younger kids (pre-teens, etc.) should be constantly guided by responsible parents, and I’m certain that they’ll turn out fine. As a kid, I don’t know anyone who would’ve said to me, “Hey Ronnie, try these bath salts, they make you silly.” Nor would I even endeavor to use them, mostly because my mother raised me well enough to know, “Umm... bath salts? No thanks, dude.”

I just think Bondi jumped the shark a little quick on this one. Fire up a public service campaign, flood the airwaves with warnings about the products, and let the market dictate. These thugs will go elsewhere to peddle their wares if no one buys them.

Again, I’m not a parent, so I’m not thinking from a papa-bear standpoint. That being said, I certainly hope your rhetorical diatribe wasn’t aimed at me. I don’t much take well to being threatened by a peer over an opinion.


42 posted on 02/04/2011 4:34:12 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
So is it your considered opinion that minor children are totally responsible for their “market based choices”, and Bondi “overreacted” in immediately clamping down on the adult purveyors of an illegal, dangerous designer drug product, targeted at ignorant minor children?

Perhaps you should review this entire thread.
You didn't answer my question to you regarding pint sized gasoline sales.
There is no shame in being previously ignorant of the prevalence of illegal designer drugs, their history, and the applicable laws already written against them.

There is a very large degree of shame one must own in stubbornly clinging to a foolishly stated opinion, ignoring all the facts provided, and facts otherwise readily available, on this particular website.

BTW, you are not my “peer”.
Since you have already admitted willfull ignorance on this specific topic including, but not limited to:
1.Current applicable laws
2.No personal experience of the situation.
3.No casual observation of directly relative situations.

I wonder why you defend your opinion to yourself, against all odds.

But hey..Have a nice day!

43 posted on 02/04/2011 8:21:15 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom
Have a nice day!

You as well.

44 posted on 02/05/2011 3:43:21 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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