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Wal-mart draws ire even in poor parts of Brooklyn
Reuters ^ | 02/03/2011 | Bernd Debusmann Jr.

Posted on 02/03/2011 2:36:46 PM PST by katiedidit1

(Reuters) - Wal-Mart's lengthy struggle to open in New York City has hit fresh problems -- a controversial report that said America's biggest discounter does not just sell cheap, it makes neighborhoods poorer.

The report concludes that Wal-Mart, the biggest U.S. private employer, kills jobs rather than creates them, drives down wages and is a tax burden because it does not give health and other benefits to many part-time employees, leaving a burden on Medicaid and other public programs.

The New York City Council will hold a public hearing on Thursday on the impact a Wal-Mart would have but the retailer has declined to attend.

Wal-Mart dismisses the critical report -- released in January by City University of New York's Hunter College Center for Community Planning -- as "randomly selected statements from ... flawed studies."

The report is based on 50 studies of Wal-Mart openings and comes as the company tries to gain a foothold in some of New York's poorest neighborhoods.

"The overwhelming weight of the independent research on the impact of Wal-Mart stores ... shows that Wal-Mart depresses area wages and labor benefits ... pushes out more retail jobs than it creates, and results in more retail vacancies," the report concluded.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: business; groundzeromosque; nyc; unions; walmart
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1 posted on 02/03/2011 2:36:51 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

total bs.

I am guessing that global warming scientists were the ones that researched this.


2 posted on 02/03/2011 2:38:29 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: katiedidit1

Unions making shiite up and feeding it to the media through a stooge in academia. Say ANYTHING!


3 posted on 02/03/2011 2:41:15 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: katiedidit1
Near the bottom of the 1st page it says:

Planned Wal-Mart stores have long met opposition in places such as Chicago, where last year Wal-Mart secured approval to build two new stores after agreeing to use union labor.

I don't believe this is true. With regard to the article, Walmart tends to benefit the poor directly with low prices.

4 posted on 02/03/2011 2:41:43 PM PST by scan59 (Markets always regulate better than government can.)
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To: katiedidit1

Just watched an interview on Fox News in which Neil Cavuto is very supportive of Walmart. Union thugs and Mom & Pop business’ are opposed and protesting...would be a loss to Brooklyn if Walmart does not open a store there..how dumb are New Yorkers?


5 posted on 02/03/2011 2:41:52 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Omg are you in denial.


6 posted on 02/03/2011 2:42:24 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (talk to the hand)
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To: scan59

On a second read, perhaps the article is stating Walmart used union labor to construct the Chicago stores. I can’t see them hiring union labor to work inside.


7 posted on 02/03/2011 2:43:10 PM PST by scan59 (Markets always regulate better than government can.)
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To: katiedidit1

If this Walmart were to unionize, all the bitching would stop.


8 posted on 02/03/2011 2:43:10 PM PST by philled (Lay on, Macduff! And damned be him that first cries “Hold, enough!”)
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To: katiedidit1
...is a tax burden because it does not give health and other benefits to many part-time employees...

When I was in school, many places did not offer benefits unless you worked more than 28 hrs in a pay period. I don't remember my place of employment at that time (a prominent Baltimore hospital) being labeled a tax burden.

9 posted on 02/03/2011 2:43:56 PM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: jmaroneps37

Uh, the biggest beneficiaries are the poor people who live in these “food deserts”. Look at any blighted inner city. Nobody wants to open a grocery or other business because of the crime. And then liberals whine because the food costs so much, and is of low quality. Thank the shoplifters and armed robbers.


10 posted on 02/03/2011 2:44:39 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: katiedidit1

The decline of America is roughly coincident with the as ascendancy of Walmart. And sealed with Starbucks.


11 posted on 02/03/2011 2:45:01 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (talk to the hand)
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To: scan59

Walmart pays much higher than minimum wage ($11-13/hr.) in a lot of cities. I guess the unions don’t like poor people.


12 posted on 02/03/2011 2:46:46 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: katiedidit1
Low-income people in Brooklyn will not tolerate being supplied with the things they use every day at low prices.

They're too smart for that.

13 posted on 02/03/2011 2:48:07 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: katiedidit1
I have to admit, I have very mixed feelings about Walmart. On one hand, I love them primarily because the unions hate them - the enemy of my enemy is my friend, kind of thing.

On the other hand, I'm getting sick of cheap Chinese-made crap. We can't import our way into prosperity. Yes, I appreciate that Walmart, by-in-large provides better access to merchandise in greatly under-served rural communities. I just wish they'd source more of their merchandise from US vendors.

I went to a Walmart last week (in south Florida) to buy some groceries. When I got home, I looked at the bag of garlic I purchased, and on the label were the words, "product of China". Walmart can't find a US supplier for fresh garlic?

14 posted on 02/03/2011 2:48:44 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: katiedidit1
SEIU funds anti-WalMart "studies?"

Who knew?

15 posted on 02/03/2011 2:48:49 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: OldDeckHand
Walmart can't find a US supplier for fresh garlic?

Thank Cesar Chavez.

16 posted on 02/03/2011 2:50:16 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: OldDeckHand

Go to any grocery store and check out what it says on a carton of Mott’s Apple Juice.


17 posted on 02/03/2011 2:51:48 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Only two things come from Texas and I see you're wearing an "I Heart Austin" t-shirt)
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To: katiedidit1

Liberals.

Trying to stop a fundamentalist religion from building is un American!

FNYC


18 posted on 02/03/2011 2:54:25 PM PST by NoLibZone (Five time DNC backed candidate Fred Phelps: "God sent the shooter".)
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To: scan59

You are correct. The union thugs would be in on the construction, but the employees working at the retail location would still be non-union.


19 posted on 02/03/2011 2:54:29 PM PST by mellow velo
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To: OldDeckHand
"On the other hand, I'm getting sick of cheap Chinese-made crap. We can't import our way into prosperity."

It's not like cheap Chinese-made crap isn't already available in Brooklyn. Local vendors can just sell it to the local poor at a higher markup when there's no Wal-Mart around who sells it for a cost that's closer to its actual value.

20 posted on 02/03/2011 2:56:44 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: katiedidit1; All

I wonder if the Free Trade Communists who praise Wal Mart so much....are ever going to admit that Wal Mart is one of the biggest supporters of ObamaCare and Socialized Medicine?


21 posted on 02/03/2011 2:57:25 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Michelle Bachmann would make an excellent President)
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To: scan59

Just because its in Walmart doesn’t mean its cheaper. Many things are actually more expensive.

How many small businesses are unionized?


22 posted on 02/03/2011 2:57:50 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: katiedidit1
Woow... Heyaaaahhhh...

I do expect next a prohibition on NY to have New Yorkers...

Whooowwww...

23 posted on 02/03/2011 2:58:22 PM PST by Mayr Fortuna
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To: katiedidit1

The never ending war against the evil non-union Wal-mart.


24 posted on 02/03/2011 2:58:22 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: katiedidit1
Union thugs and Mom & Pop business’ are opposed and protesting...would be a loss to Brooklyn if Walmart does not open a store there..how dumb are New Yorkers?

This dumb:


25 posted on 02/03/2011 2:59:16 PM PST by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: katiedidit1
how dumb are New Yorkers?

Is that a rhetorical question?

26 posted on 02/03/2011 3:00:49 PM PST by johniegrad
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To: the invisib1e hand

The decline of America is roughly coincident with the as ascendancy of Walmart. And sealed with Starbucks


Only fools and idiots praise Wal Mart for creating 1.5 million low-pay service jobs....while their Free Trade Communism/Free Trade with Communist China agenda cost America 15 million manufacturing jobs?

Starbucks comitted corporate suicide by over-expanding...and charging 5 bucks for two cents worth of coffee


27 posted on 02/03/2011 3:01:12 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Michelle Bachmann would make an excellent President)
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To: katiedidit1

Sam Wall is dead and buried. The company is far from conservative and in recent years has contributed far more to Democrats and liberal causes than Republicans and conservative causes.


28 posted on 02/03/2011 3:02:37 PM PST by bwc2221 (.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Many large businesses support Obamacare. Mostly because it reduces their costs for providing healthcare to employees.


29 posted on 02/03/2011 3:06:38 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: katiedidit1
I find it ironic that Wal-Mart, a retail enterprise that is often a source of employment for the unskilled and that has grown and prospered for almost 50 years by offering basic necessities at low prices to a largely lower-income clientele is berated and harassed by the left, who always claim to be champions of the poor. Of course, to justify opposing Wal-Mart, the left has to downplay the union angle and pretend that not offering full benefits to it's (mostly) part-time workers is a virtual crime against the poor and of course, the usual argument, apparently 'supported' by 'studies' (forgive my cynicism here) that Wal-Mart 'drives out 'neighborhood stores' that either don't really exist due to crime and the poor economy or simply are not competitive and, like any business, cannot sustain their high prices when competition arrives in the form of Wal-Mart. Gee, I thought that the left would be glad to see residents in poor neighborhoods have an opportunity to purchase needed goods at a lower price than the 'local' stores offer them.

However, just as the left opposes school vouchers and would rather see poor kids in failing schools than oppose the powerful teachers unions, so they oppose Wal-Mart to appease the retail unions and too bad if the poor people they pretend to care so much about get hosed in the process. That they can even convince some of these same folks to come out in the cold and protest Wal-Mart speaks volumes about the utter corruption of the political left in America and the hopelessness for those they pretend to 'help' by denying them the opportunity for a better life via saving what little they have by being able to buy necessities at Wal-Mart or obtaining a much-needed job there - or both, in most cases.

30 posted on 02/03/2011 3:07:25 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: bwc2221

Sam Walton, his name was Walton I believe.


31 posted on 02/03/2011 3:08:11 PM PST by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: katiedidit1
"The overwhelming weight of the independent research on the impact of Wal-Mart stores ... shows that Wal-Mart depresses area wages and labor benefits ... pushes out more retail jobs than it creates, and results in more retail vacancies," the report concluded.

I can see that as being true but only as far as it goes. Any study based on that alone would be woefully incomplete. WalMart might very well be displacing high paying high benefit union jobs. Furthermore, the economies of scale of a big box store would cause many smaller high-priced retailers out of business.

But what of the increased purchasing power of the community served? How much gets shaved off the average grocery and clothing bills? Where are those savings spent and how many jobs are created or saved as a result.

32 posted on 02/03/2011 3:08:29 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just restock [chg'd to comply w/ The Civility in Discourse Act of 2011])
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To: Jim Scott

Walmart generally sells cheap crap. So that poor person MAY save a few cents on what they buy, but then they have to buy it again once it breaks.

Many of the items they sell are built to lower specs than the items the competitor is selling.


33 posted on 02/03/2011 3:13:37 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: katiedidit1

This is a “report” by - — - who? Anonymous?

Maybe the Egyptians targeting reporters are onto something.


34 posted on 02/03/2011 3:16:46 PM PST by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: katiedidit1
how dumb are New Yorkers?

FYI, Upstate's mostly made up of red bits. We need our own state :)

35 posted on 02/03/2011 3:17:35 PM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: scan59
Article:

Planned Wal-Mart stores have long met opposition in places such as Chicago, where last year Wal-Mart secured approval to build two new stores after agreeing to use union labor.

scan59;

I don't believe this is true. With regard to the article, Walmart tends to benefit the poor directly with low prices.

Believe the part about union labor. W-M uses whatever labor is available to build new stores, often times that is union labor.

I know what I'm talking about, my wife is in W-M store planning and has hired union laborers on many new sites, not by choice but because that's what's available.

36 posted on 02/03/2011 3:18:11 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: katiedidit1
The tax burden part is a legitimate bust. They also strain the infrastructure more than they make up for. My theory is that when they have water or sewer problems it should be put on a list with the rest of the problems and fixed as it comes to the top of the list.
37 posted on 02/03/2011 3:21:03 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.8)
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To: driftdiver
Walmart generally sells cheap crap. So that poor person MAY save a few cents on what they buy

WM may have a few problems, but please tell me the name of a big box store in the south where I can buy dry beans, beer, guns, bullets and underwear under the same roof!

If you buy cheap crap,, you have no one to complain about but yourself!

I love wally world.

38 posted on 02/03/2011 3:25:51 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: edpc

” is a tax burden because it does not give health and other benefits to many part-time employees”

Yep. I don’t think very many places at all offers these benefits to their part time personnel.


39 posted on 02/03/2011 3:26:14 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: scan59

It’s garbage, about driving people out.

In my area, a Walmart anchor store closed. Within two years the almost closed, because without the Walmart, the “little” stores lost way too much trade.


40 posted on 02/03/2011 3:30:01 PM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: katiedidit1

“The overwhelming weight of the independent research on the impact of Wal-Mart stores ... shows that Wal-Mart depresses area wages and labor benefits ... pushes out more retail jobs than it creates, and results in more retail vacancies,” the report concluded.

And obesity, hair loss, peeling paint, ring around the collar, engine knock, etc.


41 posted on 02/03/2011 3:31:14 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: katiedidit1
The report concludes that Wal-Mart, the biggest U.S. private employer, kills jobs rather than creates them, drives down wages and is a tax burden because it does not give health and other benefits to many part-time employees, leaving a burden on Medicaid and other public programs.

What utter nonsense! But given that it is New York, a state that elected a Democrat for governor, to what? ...get them out of debt? Ha ha ha!

Union thugs do not like Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart has a great store, a superior organization, great products, low prices, and many happy employees.

What twisted and warped logic came up with those highly questionable conclusions? Soros? Obama? Bush?

42 posted on 02/03/2011 3:33:33 PM PST by olezip
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To: MrPiper

Out of curiosity, why is it of even the slightest importance that you get your beans and bullets from the same store?


43 posted on 02/03/2011 3:38:08 PM PST by Melas
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To: Melas
Out of curiosity, why is it of even the slightest importance that you get your beans and bullets from the same store?

I don't enjoy shopping, its a chore. At Walmart, its one stop,, I get everything I need for my vehicles, weapons, closet, and pantry.

Every second I spend out of traffic is one second more I am enjoying life.

44 posted on 02/03/2011 3:47:05 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: boop

Unions hate poor people more than anything.


45 posted on 02/03/2011 3:49:43 PM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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To: MrPiper

I love that I can get my ammunition where I get my apples. It’s a sign of civilization. America is awesome.


46 posted on 02/03/2011 3:52:10 PM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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To: driftdiver

I used to work for a high end retailer.

Folks like you paid me so that I could buy from walmart.

Thanks!


47 posted on 02/03/2011 3:54:07 PM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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To: katiedidit1
they don't deserve a Wally...
48 posted on 02/03/2011 3:54:34 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: MrPiper

To each his own. To me buying bullets in Wal-Mart would just be extending my stay in Hell, and that’s provided that I was buying beans there in the first place.

Certain stores are not counted as shopping. They’re little fantasy lands that enthusiasts never tire of visiting. In my life, I count them as bicycle shops, electronic stores and gun shops. A visit to a gun shop can never count as shopping.


49 posted on 02/03/2011 3:54:50 PM PST by Melas
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To: MrPiper

I used to keep a list of all the “acceptable” places to shop based on FR comments.
Eventually we got down the the St. Vincent de Paul thrift store as the only OK option.
Then somebody posted an anti-Catholic screed and we were down to zero, LOL.

WM has some outstanding logistics people. We’ve had a full bore shopping assault here due to the vicious ice storm, and two days later the place is fully stocked again.


50 posted on 02/03/2011 3:56:00 PM PST by nascarnation
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