Posted on 02/10/2011 3:52:58 PM PST by OldDeckHand
Things should have been nice and chummy at CPAC an hour ago. Dick Cheney strolled on stage to cheers and the inspirational tune of Tina Turner’s “Simply the Best” and got began to present the “Defender Of The Constitution” award to Donald Rumsfeld. However, as the chants of “USA! USA!” died down, a voice screaming “War criminal!” could be heard. And then, as Cheney continued to talk up his former colleague, a shouting match began between supporters of Ron Paul and the rest of the convention hall.
The Paul supporters eventually walked out in the middle of Rumsfeld’s speech as way of protest. Talking Points Memo managed to nab a quote from one of them:
“‘Uh, Defender of the Constitution?’ Justin Bradfield of Maryland scoffed when I caught up with him after he walked out of Rumsfeld’s speech. ‘Let’s see: he expanded the Defense Department more than pretty much any other defense secretary and he enforced the Patriot Act.’‘[Speaking] as a libertarian, that’s not really the type of person who should be getting Defender of the Constitution,’ he added.”
(Excerpt) Read more at mediaite.com ...
I know one Ron Paul supporter. She’s college friend who has gone off the deep end. She sounds more like an anarchist than a conservative. She’s become a real looney toon.
This isn’t the first time. They did this to Pence at the SRLC last year.
Damn, just damn, Paul does something half way intelligent then his kool-aid drinking sycophants show just why I think he is a nut.
They are legit Paultards. The PAC was even buying tickets and some of the known Tards like Matt Collins were organizing folks to go.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?301-CPAC-2011
Uh,
Wouldn’t Perky have to have a job?
It is a VERY short putt for some of these radical libertarians to anarchist. It's not so much that they believe in limited government, but they want no government, to include the borders of countries.
I recognize not all libertarians are like this, but some are - and they have increasingly vocal supporters.
PaulTurds is more like it!
Every candidate has their weaknesses. If he is truly anti-semitic that is a huge failing, but is he?
I've heard him say he's against continuing giving foreign aid to Israel, a first world country but the largest recipient of foreign aid. He is against all foreign aid feeling it is unconstitutional.
Do you agree that foreign aid is constitutional? It doesn't fit into the enumerated powers. There is no way it can be stretched to fit into the commerce clause.
Which part of the Constitution authorizes it?
So, I think there is a principled, conservative stand against it, which people may interpret as being anti-Israel.
Watch the Rand Paul interview with Wolf Blitzer. Wolf asks Rand if he is oopposed to foreign aid to countries like Hati - Rand says that Americans are generous and after huge natural catastrophies of course we should respond .. or something to that effect. Wolf's next question is about Isarel. (Which recieves more than 10X the aid Hati gets. That tells me more about Wolf than about Rand.
I agree most Americans really like the idea that we run the world.
We also have a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit. It is my opinion (which I know is a minority position here among FReepers, and is not shared by the management) that SOME reduction in our "Policing of the World" is possible, desirable and probably necessary given the financial constraints. But, I also agree with Jim that you don't want to go too far. Certainly national defense *is* the primary "only government can do it" job, it is a dangerous world, and we should maintain a powerful military.
Paul goes too far, in my opinion.
I liked Dick Cheney alot and feel that whoever booed him acted disgracefully. Hopefully they were ejected by the event organizers.
lol! dumb &$# alert!
I’m guessing that at least one of the “C”s in CPAC stands for clown, no?
I think you are on to something. The same political dynamics at work with CPAC will move into the Tea Party. I have this conspiratorial inkling that the Left is working out a formula that will be applied to the Tea Party. What I can see is that a Trojan Horse moves into the organization and springs its trap—or political bomb—and that disrupts the organization enough to destroy it.
If the Left can disrupt the Tea Party before the 2012 elections, if would be a victory for them.
True! Also, in a similar vein many of them don't really want to eject the illegals and control immigration. Their basic viewpoint / philosophy is "government is bad". That's over simplistic. Many libertarians will find something "evil" if done by government, but the identical think "OK" if done by private enterprise.
I tend to think most evil things are evil regardless of the actor doing them, and that government actually gets a special pass on some things (for instance, arresting and imprisioning people).
Legalizing drugs is another theoretically logical position, but in our screwed up world it's a really bad idea.
Judge Napolitino is pro drug legalization I take it, from watching his show. He's a Constitutiional / Libertarian mix.
I mix in a bit more cultural conservatism in the mix.
I'd still prefer Paul to Mike Huckabee though.
Though a lot of them act and believe the same as Code Pink, I don't think they're actually covert Code Pinkers. There's a lot more in common between Paulistinians and Kookcinichers than there is between Paulistinians and Conservatism. If Ron Paul would change parties or retire, a lot of these moonbats would switch their obsession to Kookcinich, Nader or someone like that.
Was Lyndon LaRouche there, too?
Tough call, for me. If we had a balanced budget amendment, it wouldn't be a close call. Huckabee would be miles ahead of Paul. While I differ with Huckabee substantially on his spending policies (or maybe lack of spending policy is more appropriate), Huckabee at least understands the existential threat of the mooslems, and he'd defend Israel, and our other strategic interests around the globe.
The fact of the matter, is Congress has the power of the purse strings. Yes, the President has the power of the veto, but if we had a responsible Congress to begin with, we wouldn't be in the fiscal mess we're in today.
The isolationist movement that Paul represents, scares the hell out of me.
Disgraceful. CPAC was already a diseased joke, but even still, for people that would call themselves Conservatives to behave like this is repugnant, and unfairly taints the movement as a whole.
We have had a serious problem with the Ron Paulers in Washington state. They have been making a serious attempt to take over the Republican Party here, disguising themselves as Republicans, getting elected as precinct officers and disrupting the convention with endless objections.
So much of what the Paulers say make sense, but the objectional parts are a deal breaker for me. Those objectional parts of the Pauler agenda are mostly foreign policy issues, but some union members seem to think that libertarians can also support the union agenda, and these are the really dangerous libertarians.
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