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Kansas law change may allow even blind to carry concealed
ljworld.com ^ | 12 February, 2011 | Chad Lawhorn

Posted on 02/14/2011 4:26:08 AM PST by marktwain

In the state of Kansas, to carry a concealed firearm you need a gun — preferably something that fits nice under your jacket, in your pocket or perhaps in your purse.

You also need a license, the state’s seal of approval that you can hide a firearm on your person.

What’s less clear is whether you need eyesight. It certainly is suggested, unquestionably helpful. But following a change in state law, it is no longer clear whether it is required.

Kansas legislators during the last session approved a number of changes to the state’s concealed carry law. One of them was that people who are renewing their license no longer have to take any sort of test to prove they’re still proficient with a firearm.

The changes also removed language from the law that gave the attorney general the right to deny applicants a license if they “suffer from a physical infirmity which prevents the safe handling of a weapon.”

A spokesman for Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt — whose office oversees the concealed carry program — conceded this week that the office is uncertain whether it has the authority to deny a concealed carry license renewal for any physical reason, even if the applicant is blind.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: banglist; blind; ccw; ks
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Why should a person be denied the ability to defend themselves? Sure, a blind person has to work around their limitations, but so do other people. If they have to wait until in physical contact with the attacker to effectively use the gun for self defense, that is just another limitation.
1 posted on 02/14/2011 4:26:15 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

EEK give a blind person a gun.???

Just hope I’m not around if that person wants to fire his gun then.EEK


2 posted on 02/14/2011 4:35:36 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: marktwain

How/where does a blind person practice or improve their marksmanship? I don’t know of any range that would allow a blind person to use their facility.


3 posted on 02/14/2011 4:38:47 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: marktwain

If the left didn’t use clauses like this to deny permits to legitmate applicants, then they would not need to be removed. I would rather depend on the common sense of the blind than the common sense of a liberal bureaucrat.


4 posted on 02/14/2011 4:42:19 AM PST by Yet_Again
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To: marktwain
Just get a seeing-gun dog.


5 posted on 02/14/2011 4:45:40 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: marktwain
Good grief!

How ridiculous can the LEFT get?

The LEFT assumes you have NO COMMON SENSE.

Next the LEFT will claim paraplegic, those paralyzed from the waist down and those without limbs will be able to have guns and SHOOT them too!

6 posted on 02/14/2011 4:53:07 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Larry Lucido
That's adorable!

That cutie pie has more sense than a LIBERAL!

7 posted on 02/14/2011 4:54:01 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: marktwain

Another example of the old adage: “No man’s life, liberty or property are safe when the Legislature is in session.”


8 posted on 02/14/2011 4:55:15 AM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: marktwain

From the same people that put braille on the drive up ATM, I ‘spose.


9 posted on 02/14/2011 4:55:55 AM PST by IrishPennant (Obama - as big a lie as the number 4 on a roman numeral clock face...and so few bother to notice!)
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To: stuartcr

no idea but I don’t want to be around when a blind person starts shooting.
It would be like the wild west again.

Near me in this town we have the FL death and blind school.
The schools has hundred of blind people.
Not sure of KS has a college like that. but

Now imagine on campus when a shot goes off and hundreds of blind people get their guns and start blazing thinking that it is their life in danger even if it is not because they can’t see what is happening.

LOL It’s totally nuts


10 posted on 02/14/2011 4:56:27 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: IrishPennant

LOL, They do. They really have braille at the ATM drive thru.

How exactly is the blind person supposed to be driving to get there? LOL


11 posted on 02/14/2011 4:59:08 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: marktwain

I grew up a neighbor kid who was blind. Boy, talk about being lousy at hide and go seek............


12 posted on 02/14/2011 5:00:06 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Oh Magoo, you've done it again.....)
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To: manc

I reckon if you were a blind passenger and the driver backed in...?


13 posted on 02/14/2011 5:02:03 AM PST by IrishPennant (Obama - as big a lie as the number 4 on a roman numeral clock face...and so few bother to notice!)
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To: manc

A person can be “legally blind”, with vision bad enough that they can’t read documents or drive, yet still be more than capable of shooting an assailant. Keep in mind that most violent assaults occur at arms-reach distance.


14 posted on 02/14/2011 5:02:32 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: manc

“FL death and blind school.”

opps? LOL


15 posted on 02/14/2011 5:03:42 AM PST by Cailleach
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To: PapaBear3625

That’s what I first thought of when I read the headline...not fully blind people.


16 posted on 02/14/2011 5:06:54 AM PST by Cailleach
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To: marktwain
Maybe when/if I go blind I'll think different, but it strikes me as a not so great idea to have people who can't decern between me, every other pedestrian within 500 yards, and an attacker.

How could they identify their target and know who their shooting at? Over even get anything beyond a vague "He's ovah' there! I think!"

17 posted on 02/14/2011 5:09:12 AM PST by Celtic Cross (Looking to escape to Idaho--Will work for keep.)
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To: IrishPennant

LOL so in order for the blind person to use the braille the driver would have to back in thus probably causing an accident just so the blind person can use the braille ATM.

Here we have I think the biggest campus for deaf and blind in the country so obviously I see many death and blind every day in town but I’ve never noticed the ATM’s having this but I will be looking next time .

The world has gone mad, Homosexuals and cross dressers allowed in the military basing sexauly preference for civil rights now.
Braille at the drive thru ATM
What’s next deaf people working for the NSA listening in on calls?

The world has gone mad I tell ye gone mad


18 posted on 02/14/2011 5:09:23 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: marktwain

LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbt30UnzRWw&feature=related

(At about 1:25)


19 posted on 02/14/2011 5:11:44 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("The time will come when Winter will ask you what you were doing all Summer" -- Henry Clay)
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To: Cailleach
I see fine with my glasses, yet would be considered legally blind without them. I make a point of occasionally practicing without my glasses (but, yes, WITH safety goggles!) at targets up to 7 yards.

The reason is that I might find myself having to fight without my glasses (either from them being knocked off at the start of the fight or being surprised while sleeping) and it's good to practice such scenarios.

20 posted on 02/14/2011 5:12:51 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Cailleach

LOL, you noticed that.
That.s what it will be called if the hundreds of blind get shooting their guns.

not the deaf and blind but the death and blind


21 posted on 02/14/2011 5:15:50 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc

I wonder if they will have handicapped ramps on the trains that whisk us all away in the not so distant future?


22 posted on 02/14/2011 5:16:17 AM PST by IrishPennant (Obama - as big a lie as the number 4 on a roman numeral clock face...and so few bother to notice!)
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To: PapaBear3625
Oh, c'mon, now, quit trying to interject common sense into an argument about (gasp!) guns!

Besides, you know those are just evil little inanimate objects just sitting around awaiting their opportunities to jump out, go off, and shoot innocent bystanders!

23 posted on 02/14/2011 5:19:38 AM PST by susannah59
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To: IrishPennant

My favorite is at my gym. There’s a sign on the wall that says no males over 3 allowed in the woman’s locker room and then under that it’s in braile. Think about it.


24 posted on 02/14/2011 5:22:56 AM PST by Mercat ( I remained nestled in cognitive dissonance)
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To: IrishPennant

What on the new obama high speed train which cost the tax payers billions, no one used it so the Govt thought of whisking us all away because Govt health care said we’re getting too old unless you’re an elitist DC champagne socialist .

It ‘s like the loons have taken over the asylum.


25 posted on 02/14/2011 5:23:33 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Mercat

Blind midgets! Sneaky little bastards, ya know?


26 posted on 02/14/2011 5:27:47 AM PST by IrishPennant (Obama - as big a lie as the number 4 on a roman numeral clock face...and so few bother to notice!)
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To: manc

Actually...I really liked this part better...I LOL’ed for real...my mind was imagining blind zombies driving around looking for an ATM.

“so obviously I see many death and blind every day in town”

I’m sorry for teasing you...my sense of humor matures after coffee...and I have not yet turned on my coffee machine. :)


27 posted on 02/14/2011 5:29:08 AM PST by Cailleach
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To: marktwain

So what if the law doesn’t codify what nature does? Should we pass a law saying dead people can’t breathe? Unless there’s shown to be a rush of blind people shooting people, where’s the problem here?


28 posted on 02/14/2011 5:29:17 AM PST by dangus ("The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" -- St. John Crysostom ("the Golden-Mouthed"))
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To: manc

The loons have indeed taken over...


29 posted on 02/14/2011 5:29:29 AM PST by IrishPennant (Obama - as big a lie as the number 4 on a roman numeral clock face...and so few bother to notice!)
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To: Mercat

Think about it from the woman’s point of view, a 300 lb naked blind guy bent over drying his feet is not something they may want to see either.


30 posted on 02/14/2011 5:31:53 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: marktwain
POW! - Is that you dear? Dear? Dear?


31 posted on 02/14/2011 5:33:46 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: PapaBear3625

prepare for the worst, and pray you don’t need to use the skills...a good plan. I’d be proud to target shoot with you, even sans glasses. :)


32 posted on 02/14/2011 5:34:25 AM PST by Cailleach
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To: marktwain
work around their limitations

I hear that there is a radio host who is all-but-deaf. Amazing. He has 'worked around his limitations'. And when his run is complete, he will have transcripts of the most popular radio show ever - an amazing resource.

33 posted on 02/14/2011 5:35:38 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: marktwain
Chad Lawhorn
Kansas law change may allow even blind to carry concealed
Very cute 'Chad' (how's it hanging anyway?)

But there's 'Blind' and then there's 'Legally Blind'. And the two are not the same. But you prolly know that, huh 'Chad'. (you're not pregnant are you?)

A 'Legally Blind' person can drive with corrective lenses (Glasses for those in Rio Linda). So why should that person be denied the Right to defend himself, or family? At close range he'd be able to use a handgun just fine, especially one like 'The Judge'. At home he could use a Shotgun, which doesn't need much aiming. Pointing usually works just fine.

So..... Whatta ya think about that, 'Chad'? (btw, do you have dimples?)

'Chad' jokes now /off

34 posted on 02/14/2011 5:38:15 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Congressman. But I repeat myself. [Mark Twain])
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To: PapaBear3625
Honest. I did not see your post before writing mine.

I have an old friend who is 'legally blind' and can legally drive.

35 posted on 02/14/2011 5:41:46 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Congressman. But I repeat myself. [Mark Twain])
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To: manc; Tax-chick
Near me in this town we have the FL death and blind school.

So you have to take classes before you're allowed to die? Or are they classes to learn to do a good job of being dead?

36 posted on 02/14/2011 5:50:49 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: marktwain

37 posted on 02/14/2011 5:54:11 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: Still Thinking

I don’t want to think too long about “death and blind school.”


38 posted on 02/14/2011 6:00:14 AM PST by Tax-chick (All that, plus a real-meat cheezburger and wine.)
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To: manc
EEK give a blind person a gun.??? Just hope I’m not around if that person wants to fire his gun then.EEK

Whether you are serious or not, this is exactly the response the media and the gun banners are looking for. And it is their strategy to use fear of silly exceptions to the rule like blind people with guns to destroy concealed carry.

39 posted on 02/14/2011 6:01:33 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: marktwain

Can someone pull up a photo of Ray Charles in “The Blues Brothers?”


40 posted on 02/14/2011 6:02:27 AM PST by I-ambush (I didn't think, I never dreamed, that I would be around to see it all come true-McCartney and Wings)
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To: manc
Now imagine on campus when a shot goes off and hundreds of blind people get their guns and start blazing thinking that it is their life in danger even if it is not because they can’t see what is happening.

They're blind, not stupid.

41 posted on 02/14/2011 6:06:24 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: marktwain

coincidentally, I’m listening to my local police scanner this AM. A call goes out to check a home burglar alarm. The dispatcher says, “homeowner is visually impaired, armed, and can’t tell the difference between an officer and a civilian.” How’d you like to be the one answering that call?


42 posted on 02/14/2011 6:11:39 AM PST by balch3
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To: stuartcr
No doubt a martial arts studio could provide training suitable to close quarters combat ~ and that'd certainly equip the blind guy to handle his opponent such that he could reach out and shoot him without much risk to anybody else.

Marksmanship training can take many forms.

43 posted on 02/14/2011 6:18:11 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: PapaBear3625
A person can be “legally blind”, with vision bad enough that they can’t read documents or drive, yet still be more than capable of shooting an assailant. Keep in mind that most violent assaults occur at arms-reach distance.

BTTT

44 posted on 02/14/2011 6:22:46 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: manc
EEK give a blind person a gun.???

I'm really not being ugly but the frist thing that came to mind was the movie “Men In Tights” when Robin and his men were fighting in the palace and one of his men, who was blind, was fervently wielding his sword and fighting a wooden post which he was chipping away to nothing. (I promise, it was really funny, you just had to see it).

45 posted on 02/14/2011 6:23:22 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: marktwain
A gun may not be a good idea for the blind for concealed carry (home is different), as you have a responsibility not to shoot the wrong person.

However, concealed carry does not just apply to firearms, at least in the state laws that I have seen. It applies to any weapon, which is otherwise legal, and which is illegal to conceal.

A large knife or taser might fit into that category and be very helpful.

If a blind person wants to have a gun for home defense, I'm fine with that, but I just hope the deaf meter reader is careful.

46 posted on 02/14/2011 6:23:32 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: marktwain
I think that I'd file this one under "Just because you can, does not mean that you should." Legality doesn't necessarily make this a good idea.

That being said, there are varying definitions of "legally blind", I believe.

47 posted on 02/14/2011 6:24:02 AM PST by wbill
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To: marktwain


48 posted on 02/14/2011 6:24:44 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: susannah59
just evil little inanimate objects just sitting around awaiting their opportunities

I like to leave my guns in the care of my SUV. I get a two-fer that way. Sometimes I leave a pack of cigarettes in there too, to get a three-fer. :-)

49 posted on 02/14/2011 6:27:22 AM PST by wbill
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To: balch3
The dispatcher says, “homeowner is visually impaired, armed, and can’t tell the difference between an officer and a civilian.” How’d you like to be the one answering that call?

I would make a point to drive up with my cop-car lights flashing, toot my cop-car siren from the driveway, and announce over my cop-car loudspeaker that this is the police, and we're checking the alarm. Yes, we'll wake up the neighbors, but it will ensure that nobody around has any doubt that the person coming up to the door is a cop.

50 posted on 02/14/2011 6:31:57 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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