Skip to comments.Pedophilia a ‘sexual orientation’ experts tell Parliament(Canada)
Posted on 03/02/2011 5:02:39 AM PST by Westbrook
OTTAWA, Ontario, February 28, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) In a recent parliamentary session on a bill relating to sexual offenses against children, psychology experts claimed that pedophilia is a sexual orientation comparable to homosexuality or heterosexuality, a definition that was questioned by one Member of Parliament who was present.
Bill C-54, an Act to Amend the Criminal Code, seeks to increase or impose mandatory minimum penalties or punishment on sexual offenders of children for particular crimes.
Parliamentary discussion on February 14 centered on the mandatory minimum imprisonment and how offenders respond to treatment. Dr. Vernon Quinsey and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, experts on the issue, were called to witness.
When we speak of therapy or when individuals get therapy and we feel as though everyone is pacified, the good news is often illusory, said Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal.
Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, emphasized Van Gijseghem.
True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this persons sexual orientation. He added, however: He may however remain abstinent.
MP Serge Ménard later praised the witnesses. Mr. Van Gijseghem and Mr. Quinsey, said Ménard, corrected some of our impressions.
However, MP Marc Lemay of the Bloc Quebecois challenged Van Gijseghems definition. I have to admit that I was not expecting, on this Valentines Day, to be talking about this inappropriate type of love. It is not really love. It has more to do with violence and control. I am concerned, Professor Van Gijseghem because you say, if I am not mistaken, that pedophilia is a sexual orientation.
That is what I said, continued Van Gijseghem.
Lemay pursued the point, asking if it therefore should be compared to homosexuality.
Yes, or heterosexuality, responded Van Gijseghem. If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.
During his witness, Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queens University, said that pedophiles sexual interests prefer prepubescent children. There is no evidence, he said, that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.
You can manage the risk that sex offenders present - even pedophiles, added Quinsey, Its not necessarily that they need to change their sexual orientation; they need to learn to control themselves, with our help. In my opinion, society and no one around this table will accept pedophilia, even if it is a sexual orientation, said Lemay, I recall a period, not too long ago, when homosexuality was treated as an illness. It is now accepted, society has accepted it I cannot imagine pedophilia being accepted in 2011. You are telling me that even if we were to impose a five-year minimum on people it would not solve the problem. Once they get out of jail, they reoffend. That is worrisome.
One columnist in the Toronto Sun, Brian Lilley, expressed shock at Van Gijseghems testimony: what really shocked me was the Universite de Montreal professor, Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, who showed up to tell MPs pedophilia was a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality or homosexuality. He argued that its time to take our country back by ignoring the experts.
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Here’s a “head exploder” right here:
“If all morals are relative, how is your sense of right and wrong any better than someone else’s that is exactly the opposite of yours in every way?”
Sometimes I am glad I am old and got to grow up and have fun in a free country.
IT’S #26, UNDER “DEGENERACY”
50/50 or worse. Half know it and won’t admit it. The other half are too stupid to know it, i.e., useful idiots..............
Further down the slippery slope we go.
We must remember that the battle is always fought at the edges. The ACLU position on this will only change when the goal of legalizing sale and distribution of CP is passed. At that time, the argument will be that children have the right to make their own decisions. Pedophile at the door to see your ten year old? Let him in and say hi or go to jail.
The reason most sheeperal leftists ARE leftists is to feel good about themselves, to justify the false belief that “I’m a good person”.
This is why they are wilfully blind as to the agenda of the left. To admit they are aiding an evil movement would undermine their whole sense of self worth, and the only other way to turn is unthinkable -
I’m a hopeless sinner, and there is no way I can achieve my own salvation, and the only answer is a Savior.
A truer statement was never spoken. Why does the press ignore the facts: NAMBLA is an international organization of the “gay” community that has promoted this for decades. Members have openly marched in gay pride parades for decades and until the 90s, no normal person said a word. Now they are underground, but nothing has changed. The incidence of male homosexual rape of boys is greater than 90%. The incidence in the hetero pop of male rape of girls is < 5%. I ask you, is the rape of young boys part of the male homosexual lifestyle?? Absolutely.
We may agree that pedophiles are very difficult to "cure", but the fact remains that this is all part of a plan to convince the public that pedophiles are not accountable for their actions, and that is very, very dangerous.
I was wondering how long this was going to take. It was pretty obvious to the most causal observer that once homosexuality was “normalized,” then all sorts of deviancies would follow.
Same thing for abortion. From abortion to euthanasia, then to compulsory abortions and euthanasia.
All that remains is for the rain of fire and brimstone to fall on us.
Yep. They said all they wanted was tolerance. We made the mistake of giving it to them.
I’m sure the fLDS and Warren Jeffs supports this.
I wonder how Mr Quinsey would like to "manage the risk" of a half dozen or so pedophiles living in his neighborhood where he raises his own children.
I wonder how Mr Quinsey would like to “manage the risk” of a half dozen or so pedophiles living in his neighborhood where he raises his own children.
Homosexual rights, all sexual preferences now have rights, even child molesters. It is a “birth right”.
What do we do with pyromaniacs, psychopaths, sociopaths, or any other dangerous mental condition people are “born” with? We deem they are too dangerous to society to be left unmonitored and are institutionalized or force-medicated for the public’s safety.
Believe me when I say me feelings on pedophiles go beyond what most people consider revolting in their darkness and I am not making excuses or taking their side at all.
No matter how “progressive” our society gets parents will never let predators stalk their children, this goes beyond our norms and straight down to the primal urges like food and self preservation. Let them try and allow these monsters to roam free by law once they are found, the vast silent majority will be so enraged if they did it the backlash would be immediate and decisive.
In a way I hope they do try and legitimize perverts by using the courts, the topic is so polarizing and the hatred is so strong and deep towards what they are there’s probably no other topic that would bring people from every leaning politically together to crush these ultra liberal morons, this would make Roe vs. Wade look like a small claims case in comparison.
We don't institutionalize/imprison people for who they *are*, but for what they *do*.
True, the only way to identify a pedophile is if they try to rape a child, it doesn’t matter what laws are passed or how they are categorized, that’s always been the case and it will always be illegal.
No matter how we treat them there is no magical way of finding them unless they admit it first (doubtful) or they strike.
We will never allow people to prey on prepubescent children in the USA or Canada whether some idiots categorizes them a certain way or not. If anyone ever did seriously try to allow groups like NAMBLA to practice legally the backlash would be incredibly severe, no matter how they tried to go about it.
Only one questioned him. The prof dude is right, though - pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated. That's why they should be executed.
(I'm not too well today but will be around and fighting when I can.)
It is becoming clear to me that the vast majority of Rs, "conservatives", and even religious people are too freaking timid to say a word, as the tsunami of great evil engulfs us. Those who stand up and speak and shout are unfortunately in the minority. But the more we do, others will wake up. That is what is important - like that quote I have to put back on my computer, something like:
Not to speak, is to speak. Not to act, is to act. God is witness to our silence.
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