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One dead at NorthPointe Baptist Church in Arlington(TX)
FT. Worth Star Telegram ^ | March 03, 2011 | staff

Posted on 03/03/2011 4:49:23 PM PST by txroadkill

Arlington police are on the scene at NorthPointe Baptist Church on Brown Boulevard, where at least one person is dead and one is injured.

Police responded to a call at the church about 4:15 p.m.

NorthPointe is satellite campus of First Baptist Church in Arlington.

According to WFAA's website, police said the suspect or suspects in the case may have fled the scene in the female victim's car, which was missing from the scene.

The vehicle is a four-door, cream-colored 2007 Mitsubishi Galant. The license plate number is DFR-352.

Police have asked that anyone who spots the car alert authorities and not approach anyone inside the vehicle.

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Prayers up please folks. The victim is a family friend. The Minister and the church secretary were beaten. The Minister is dead and the secretary is in critical condition. Unknown motive.
1 posted on 03/03/2011 4:49:27 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: txroadkill

Prayers Indeed....


2 posted on 03/03/2011 4:50:43 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: txroadkill

my God, prayers up


3 posted on 03/03/2011 4:52:27 PM PST by advertising guy (Baskin Barry Robbins........3 scoops short of a gallon)
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To: txroadkill

I pray for all them ad their loved ones and the community.

Unknown motive?

Kill them one at a time, two, three, how ever you can in what ever way you can, comes to mind...

It’s called Jihad.


4 posted on 03/03/2011 4:56:18 PM PST by Freddd
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To: txroadkill

Prayers up too. Wondering if this is a drive-by or a domestic issue.


5 posted on 03/03/2011 4:57:07 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: ReverendJames

probably robbery. Not the best part of Arlington, close to Cowboy Stadium.


6 posted on 03/03/2011 4:59:15 PM PST by txroadkill (My tagline disagreed with me and then fled the state)
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To: txroadkill

Prayers.

How strange. Doesn’t sound random but more domestic.


7 posted on 03/03/2011 5:00:08 PM PST by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Freddd
Not necessarily. We don't have enough information here, but the motive here could be something more personal.

"I won't be surprised" if it turns out to be someone the victims knew and had some sort of interaction with...

8 posted on 03/03/2011 5:02:51 PM PST by OKSooner (Obama confessed "his muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show on September 7th, 2008.)
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To: txroadkill

Wasn’t there a law passed or being passed about guns allowed in churches? I wonder if there would have been someone there with a gun if things would have turned out different.


9 posted on 03/03/2011 5:07:38 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: txroadkill
probably robbery.

Most likely.

10 posted on 03/03/2011 5:10:27 PM PST by EternalVigilance (In a time that calls desperately for moral statesmanship most have chosen immoral gamesmanship.)
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To: OKSooner
"I won't be surprised" if it turns out to be someone the victims knew and had some sort of interaction with..

I picture someone trying to get the church to give them money, and when they didn't get what they wanted...

11 posted on 03/03/2011 5:11:37 PM PST by EternalVigilance (In a time that calls desperately for moral statesmanship most have chosen immoral gamesmanship.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I picture someone trying to get the church to give them money, and when they didn't get what they wanted...

People call my church every day wanting help with food, rent, utilities, even car payments and they tend to get upset when we have to tell them that we have just enough money to help the poor in our own congregation. Other than that our small church does manage to donate $1,000 per year to the salvation army and we support missionaries.

People get mad and tell us that the church is supposed to help all the poor, not just church members.

12 posted on 03/03/2011 5:27:13 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: ReverendJames
Wasn’t there a law passed or being passed about guns allowed in churches? I wonder if there would have been someone there with a gun if things would have turned out different.

the details about this murder are horrific and will come to light soon. The reason I know the victims is because my father is also a minister in Arlington. But rest assured, had they tried this on my dad, the out come would have been a lot different. If I find my father dead in his office there will be a lot of spent brass to wade threw to get to his body.

They are hitting churches because its one of the few places in Texas that they believe will be un-armed. That is changing.

13 posted on 03/03/2011 5:40:32 PM PST by txroadkill (My tagline disagreed with me and then fled the state)
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To: txroadkill

I’d be truly interested in the outcome of this if you wouldn’t mind.


14 posted on 03/03/2011 5:41:45 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: txroadkill

Prayers lifted.


15 posted on 03/03/2011 5:42:24 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: Graybeard58

***People call my church every day wanting help with food, rent, utilities, even car payments****

We have the same problem here. It got so bad many years ago that now a person requesting help must first go to the local police dept and get a voucher that they really need help.

You would be surprised how many never come back.


16 posted on 03/03/2011 5:44:40 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: txroadkill

Prayers for the victims and the families. So sad that you aren’t safe in the House of our Lord.


17 posted on 03/03/2011 6:52:11 PM PST by momtothree
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I am member of this church and know positively without a doubt that it is not domestic.

All I have to say is it is very devastating to our church family as we were all very close knit.

We don’t know why this happened and won’t know unless they catch who did it.


18 posted on 03/03/2011 7:24:53 PM PST by smforsberg
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To: txroadkill

I live in the area, and this is NOT close to JerryWorld, but rather several miles to the north in a rather affluent area surrounded by upper-class homes. It is nothing like the area around the sports stadiums.

The entertainment district (Rangers, Cowboys, Six Flags, etc.) is 3-4 miles south of the church, below I-30.

But there’s no place safe any more.


19 posted on 03/03/2011 8:14:18 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: smforsberg

I’m a member of another church in North Arlington. We keep all doors locked, with camera and buzzer so that the office staff controls and knows who comes into the building.

Sad, isn’t it, that our society has come to this.


20 posted on 03/03/2011 8:17:41 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

It’s relative I guess, I live in So. Arlington/edge of Mansfield so for me “it’s close to Jerry World”, but yeah not really the neighborhood. My understanding is that on one side of the street is upper-class and the other side is Section 8.


21 posted on 03/03/2011 8:47:47 PM PST by txroadkill (My tagline disagreed with me and then fled the state)
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To: txroadkill

I would doubt that there is any Section 8 housing in that part of Arlington, although the feds have developed regs that mix Section 8 into higher income areas to force “diversity.”

I know the area well, have lived here for many years, close by. It’s not high-crime, although no place is safe any more.


22 posted on 03/03/2011 9:06:54 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: smforsberg

Condolences and welcome to FR.


23 posted on 03/03/2011 9:17:50 PM PST by PLMerite (Thanks for fixing the clock.)
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To: txroadkill; All; WKB

Prayer request from pastor of 1st Baptist Arlington concerning NorthPointe Baptist Church in Arlington:
Facing This Tragedy
Dennis R. Wiles, Pastor
Thursday afternoon will be forever etched in our memories. While many of us were busy about our routine activities, Clint Dobson and Judy Elliott were attacked in the offices of our mission church, NorthPointe Baptist.
As you know, Clint did not survive the events of that afternoon. While I write these words, Judy’s life hangs in the balance.
Obviously, we are all in shock as we try to come to grips with this unspeakable tragedy. Our prayers are with Laura Dobson as she deals with the reality of losing her husband. We are praying for Clint’s parents and the rest of his family. We are praying for Judy and her husband, John as she is struggling to recover from wounds she received. We are praying for our satellite congregation, NorthPointe Baptist Church as the members of this church are reeling in the midst of this tragic news.
In times like these, we turn to God and cling to the big truths that we know. Our God is a God of grace and glory. He is enthroned forever. His will is sovereign and His grace is sufficient. The events of Thursday afternoon have not altered any of that.
Plus – Jesus Himself said, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die.” Clint Dobson died in the light of this profound truth. His earthly life was lived in service to Jesus. His death must be viewed in the light of the resurrection power and saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. Although the earth is poorer for our loss, eternity has been enriched as one of God’s choicest servants has joined the chorus of the redeemed of all the ages.
The ministry of Clint Dobson survives. Eternal seeds have been sown in countless lives. His preaching and his life have served as proclamation of a glorious Gospel that is mankind’s only hope. Clint’s family will be sustained by the power that is only realized in that Gospel. We will all trust God to comfort, strengthen and heal.
In the face of our profound sorrow, we will all walk forward together knowing that “neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
To God be the Glory.


24 posted on 03/04/2011 1:25:45 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: smforsberg

See post #24 our Church in Seguin is praying for yours, I just posted the prayer request from Dennis Wiles.


25 posted on 03/04/2011 1:28:01 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: txroadkill; Graybeard58; JLLH; Outlaw Woman; StarCMC; AZ .44 MAG; prairiebreeze; ...

Baptist Prayer Ping


26 posted on 03/04/2011 1:50:27 PM PST by WKB (We have Bachmann all we need to do is "Turner" on the "Over Drive")
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To: WKB

Thanks WKB


27 posted on 03/04/2011 2:07:16 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: txroadkill

What happened? Shot or only beaten?


28 posted on 03/04/2011 3:19:38 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Graybeard58

Our church gets calls like that as well. Most of it is scammers.

No connection to the church, never been there. Just calling around looking for money and getting MAD when they say no.


29 posted on 03/04/2011 3:22:15 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
They were both beaten. Clint was beat to death, Judy was beat so badly that when her husband found them he did not know it was his wife until after the police and fire arrived. You have to figure that whoever did this did not intend to leave that 60 something year old woman alive.

Clint was built like a line-backer, he was very athletic so it had to have been more than one person because he if it was only one he would have kicked his ass.

30 posted on 03/04/2011 3:57:31 PM PST by txroadkill (My tagline disagreed with me and then fled the state)
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To: txroadkill; Brad's Gramma; Sopater; Vision; aimhigh; AmericanArchConservative; aMorePerfectUnion; ..

Prayer ping


31 posted on 03/04/2011 4:13:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: txroadkill

Prayers for the family, the church family and the community.


32 posted on 03/04/2011 4:21:06 PM PST by svcw (God in His own time not ours)
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To: ReverendJames
Wasn’t there a law passed or being passed about guns allowed in churches?

You can Concealed Carry in church in Texas unless they post a sign.

33 posted on 03/04/2011 4:36:58 PM PST by PAR35
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To: txroadkill

Wow....this is beyond tragic. I’m SO sorry for yours and everyone’s loss in the church....

PLEASE ping me to any updates...???

Praying for all involved. I hope the good people of TX start carrying, signs or not.


34 posted on 03/04/2011 4:43:55 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Where do YOU stand in your relationship with God???)
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To: PAR35

Okay, so they post a sign. If you’re concealed how would they know, and on the other hand, someone wanting to shoot up the place a sign wouldn’t stop them. Just saying.


35 posted on 03/04/2011 5:04:17 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: Jedidah

I made a wrong turn last night trying to go to the UTA library and ended up around there. Scary.


36 posted on 03/04/2011 5:28:38 PM PST by TXConservative25
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To: smforsberg

I visited your church last August after going to a Rangers game the night before. Very sorry for your loss and will be praying for your church family.


37 posted on 03/04/2011 5:33:22 PM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: ReverendJames
If you’re concealed how would they know,

Virtually all of the CCP holders are law abiding citizens. They aren't willing to go to jail and/or lose their permit by violating the law. Most churches in Texas don't post - only the confirmed loony left.

someone wanting to shoot up the place a sign wouldn’t stop them

No, all the criminals obey the law. That's why there wasn't any gun violence in Washington, DC, or Dee-troit, or Chicago...

38 posted on 03/04/2011 6:52:05 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Graybeard58
People get mad and tell us that the church is supposed to help all the poor, not just church members.

Then they should have called the MORMONs...

39 posted on 03/04/2011 7:44:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: smforsberg

I am just reading this news. My heart breaks for you all. Will be praying for your strength and courage in this fight against the evil one. My deepest condolences to your pastor’s wife.


40 posted on 03/04/2011 8:21:44 PM PST by daisy mae for the usa (because)
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To: WKB; txroadkill

Dear Lord! This is horrible!

I’m so sorry to hear this, and will keep the victims, as well as the church folks, in my prayers.

There seems to be a lot of bad news lately...:o(


41 posted on 03/05/2011 12:00:09 AM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: txroadkill
Related story........

Baylor community mourning the loss of pastor killed in his Arlington church

Angela K. Brown

Saturday March 5, 2011

Faculty and students of Baylor University’s George W. Truett Theological Seminary are mourning the loss of a recently graduated pastor thought to have been killed inside his own church.

The Rev. Clint Dobson, who graduated from Baylor University with a bachelor’s degree in 2004 and a master’s of divinity degree in theology from Truett in 2008, was found dead in NorthPointe Baptist Church late Thursday.

His ministry assistant also was badly beaten in the attack, authorities said.

NorthPointe Baptist Church pastor Clint Dobson, 28, a Baylor grad, was found dead at the church by police Wednesday.

Associated PressBecause items were missing from the church, investigators suspect that robbery was a motive, said Tiara Ellis Richard, an Arlington police spokeswoman.

Authorities searched for the injured church employee’s car, which was thought to be stolen after the crime. The woman remained hospitalized Friday.

Dobson, 28, led NorthPointe, a satellite church of First Baptist Church of Arlington, for about three years. He was described as a dynamic, caring pastor.

Baylor faculty similarly remember him as “a warm spirit with a gentle soul” who was honored with the Outstanding Preaching Award in 2008, said David Garland, dean of Truett Seminary.

The young pastor was a distant relative of James Dobson, one of the country’s most influential Christian leaders.

“The family is quite shocked,” said James Dobson’s assistant Becky Lane, who said the young pastor was the son of one of the elder Dobson’s cousins.

The crime

Police were called to the church about 4:15 p.m. Thursday after someone went to check on Clint Dobson and the assistant after they couldn’t be reached, and then looked in a church window and saw the victims on the floor.

The Rev. Dennis Wiles, senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Arlington and an adjunct professor at Baylor, said he was “just trying to get through today” and was not sure if security would be a greater concern for churches.

“We’re going to go on. That’s what we have to do. That’s what Clint would want us to do,” Wiles said.

Dobson’s background

Dobson grew up in the Houston area and was an all-American boy who loved playing baseball and spending time with friends, said his former pastor, the Rev. Robert Creech.

Rick Carpenter, associate pastor of pastoral care at University Baptist Church, said Dobson found his calling to be a minister after he found himself serving in a chaplain-like role to his fraternity brothers at Baylor.

“Clint was a very fine preacher,” Carpenter said. “He had great people skills, he was a fun kind of guy, a likeable person, but totally committed to Christ, following Christ and the work of the ministry.”

Although Dobson enrolled at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, he found himself back at Baylor after Hurricane Katrina devastated the city, Garland said.

At Baylor, Dobson excelled as both a student and a preacher, he said.

Now, the school is “going through stages of grief,” he said.

“It’s shock and disbelief,” Garland said. “It just hasn’t entirely registered that something like this could happen to somebody who was such an outstanding minister.”

Many of Dobson’s former classmates have been calling the school with their concerns, he said.

In blog posts on the NorthPointe website, Dobson shared his thoughts about how God relates to everyday life.

“Often people blame God for the sadness of the world and reject any possible hope that could be spoken into it,” Dobson wrote in his Jan. 17 blog. “. . . However, in the realities of a broken world with broken people, the ultimate hope and answer for the world is the free and perfect gift offered by the Creator . . . The nature of grace is free to all at even the lowest point of despair.”

A $10,000 reward is being offered by Oak Farms Dairy for information leading to an arrest and indictment in the case.
42 posted on 03/05/2011 6:40:58 AM PST by LA Woman3
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To: PAR35

Zactly - can’t figger out how the media gets it all wrong all the time. Gun owners are responsible and so are the ‘hoods. When a ‘hood sees a no gun zone they move on.


43 posted on 03/05/2011 9:52:45 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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Eagles up! Local media just made contact wanted statement RE: Suspects captured!!!


No info yet, will post as soon as I hear more!!!

44 posted on 03/05/2011 1:32:22 PM PST by txroadkill (In God we trust, everyone else goes through NCIC)
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To: WKB; ReverendJames
Suspect Captured!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2684222/posts

45 posted on 03/05/2011 1:59:48 PM PST by txroadkill (In God we trust, everyone else goes through NCIC)
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To: txroadkill

Super!!


46 posted on 03/05/2011 2:03:17 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: Graybeard58

Ah, yes, when I ran the food program at our church, they swarmed like maggots. I turned many away —knew them, recognized the fake stories instantly. The parishioners, whose dear hearts were touched by the stories and who did not recognize a lame story when they heard it, thought I was so mean.


47 posted on 03/05/2011 5:41:33 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: bboop
Knew a church that let a couple use their old parsonage as a home because they were "homeless." At the end of the first month, the church got a bill for something like fifteen hundred for phone service. Most of it was to a 1-900 sex line.

I've found the homeless fall into a few categories. Some of them are mentally ill, and should be institutionalized. This does not mean it's safe to be around them. The second is the temporarily homeless. They're not on the street for more than a month or two. I lived in my truck for several months when I was in my twenties and worked day labor jobs. It was my choice, and I had a ball. The third group are people who don't want to be found because they have felony warrants out on them. The fourth group are drug addicts and alcoholics. Alcoholics aren't usually that dangerous. NEVER trust a junkie.

Amateurs REALLY shouldn't work with the homeless. If someone wants to work with the homeless, they should first team up with someone with street smarts who can spot a con artist and undergo an apprenticeship for a year or so.

48 posted on 03/05/2011 5:54:21 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Graybeard58
Back when I was involved with a church a lady came to us and said she needed prescription drugs. I bought her everything except the narcotics. She threw a fit. I expected her to.
49 posted on 03/05/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Rightly Biased

Prayers up for all those affected by this terrible tragedy.

Prayers up that the murderer will be caught soon and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


50 posted on 03/05/2011 6:03:32 PM PST by Palladin (Obama, go back to Hawaii! Better yet, go back to Kenya!!)
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