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A Dream Still Deferred In Detroit
New York Times ^ | March 26, 2011 | Thomas J Sugrue

Posted on 03/26/2011 10:44:17 PM PDT by WeatherGuy

At first glance, the numbers released by the Census Bureau last week showing a precipitous drop in Detroit’s population — 25 percent over the last decade — seem to bear a silver lining: most of those leaving the city are blacks headed to the suburbs, once the refuge of mid-century white flight.

But a closer analysis of the data suggests that the story of housing discrimination that has dominated American urban life since the early 20th century is far from over.

Detroit is not the only American city to face persistent residential segregation, but it is among the worst: it has ranked among the 10 most segregated metropolitan areas in the United States since the mid-20th century (though the rate of black-white segregation there has fallen markedly in the last decade, as blacks have moved into once-exclusive white neighborhoods).

As Detroit’s black population skyrocketed during the Great Migration from the South, the city’s whites fought what they called the “Negro invasion” with every tool at their disposal. From 1945 to 1965 whites attacked at least 250 black families — usually the first or second to move into all-white neighborhoods — breaking windows, burning crosses and vandalizing homes.

When white Detroiters could not win by fighting, they fled to the suburbs. Indeed, for a half-century beginning in the 1950s, Detroit lost nearly half of its population, almost all whites.

Those who left the city cited various reasons: desire for a little green space, new housing, better schools, freedom from crime. Few of them acknowledged the racial motive behind white flight, that words like “freedom from crime” were code for moving away from blacks.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2goofy4words; 3rdworldhellhole; allytsfault; fantasy; leftwingfantasy
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To: WeatherGuy
So if a racial group flees being preyed upon by another racial group, then that racial group is evil.

OK, got it. /s

21 posted on 03/26/2011 11:33:44 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: WeatherGuy
Few of them acknowledged the racial motive behind white flight, that words like “freedom from crime” were code for moving away from blacks.

Crime stats don't lie.

And by the way, why should someone who moves be expected to provide a "moral" explanation for doing so?

22 posted on 03/26/2011 11:55:52 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: haroldeveryman

The disgusting author of this tripe obviously knows nothing about the conditions that made Detroit what it is today.

I grew up on the east side of the city in the 60’s-80’s.
My father owned a 9-unit townhouse on Gratiot, near Van Dyke. Most of the tenants there were related to each other, and some were third generation welfare recipients. I used to have to go down there with my dad and help him snake out the sewer pipes when they put bones from t-bone steaks in their garbage disposer. Standing in four inches of sewage from their disregard for their own living conditions gave me a deep appreciation for ownership and self respect.

The vast majority of Detroiters- both white and black- brought this upon themselves by voting for CRIMINALS such as Coleman Young, the unions, and Kwame Kilpatrick.

Screw them.


23 posted on 03/27/2011 12:00:47 AM PDT by gigster
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The blacks are moving into the older suburbs and bringing Detroit with them. You have middle class and upper class blacks sprinkled into the more exclusive suburbs. Those whites that can move further away are. Livingston County is one of the fastest growing counties in the state. That’s a result of further white flight. My own parents live there and my dad likes it because the big city amenities are close by but not the big city bs that you get living closer in to Detroit. And as blacks leave Detroit, gentrification is taking place in Corktown. Once home and property are safe in that area, look for it to spread as the inner ring suburbs fall apart.


24 posted on 03/27/2011 12:05:32 AM PDT by Feasor13
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To: WeatherGuy
Detroit is not the only American city to face persistent
residential segregation, but it is among the worst


25 posted on 03/27/2011 12:06:46 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: WeatherGuy

Sugrue plans on moving to Detroit so he can study the natives up close and personal? No? I didn’t think so.


26 posted on 03/27/2011 1:00:35 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: haroldeveryman

Sugrue’s family is from Detroit. He left town too.


27 posted on 03/27/2011 1:07:49 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: WeatherGuy

So the conclusion of this article is that whitey flight is racist, but black flight is OK.


28 posted on 03/27/2011 2:51:22 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: WeatherGuy
... that the story of housing discrimination that has dominated American urban life since the early 20th century is far from over.

Another in the multitudes of attempts by liberals to coax just a little more white-guilt out of the people they are trying to screw. Truth be told, the housing shortage for these economically displaced Americans is probably just a severe shortage of suitable Section 8 housing - not discrimination.

29 posted on 03/27/2011 2:59:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: triumphant values

Especially those in Liberia. It would be 100% begging to go home to America. Land of the Free. We aren’t perfect but God made this the best place ever for everyone if they would just take advantage of FREEDOM!


30 posted on 03/27/2011 3:21:11 AM PDT by liberty or death
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To: WeatherGuy

Two comments on the article. One the author never mentions the gimme more riots of the sixties that made people want to leave the city. The other is the Fannie Mae Freddie Mac lending of money to those that could not afford housing. If leaving an area that could get you killed or not lending money to someone on welfare is racist so be it.


31 posted on 03/27/2011 3:41:59 AM PDT by shoff (Cuomo is going to change the NY state motto from Excelsior to elixir (cause we bought it)
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To: WeatherGuy

But a closer **analysis** of the data suggests that the story of housing discrimination.

A Mexican,Black,White and a Arab live on the same block what could go wrong?.Some times mixing isn’t the answer and it’s not racism it’s just some like to be around own race.
Ever see a cat run with a pack of dogs?.


32 posted on 03/27/2011 4:21:44 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: WeatherGuy

Right, and how are things in Noo Yawk City?


33 posted on 03/27/2011 4:48:39 AM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve qui peut)
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To: WeatherGuy
Typical Leftist rationalization.

Somehow, blacks moving away from blacks to live in white communities is racism by whites.

In addition to trying to get away from crime infested, crack ridden, gang controlled "neighborhoods", must black are moving to the burbs because they are trying to get their kids an education. The Detroit Public School system, despite receiving almost $2,500 more to "educate" each kid has a drop out rate of 75% - and those who do finish are performing at a 6th grade level.

The author may try to rationalize that racism is at play here, but the real story is that Detroit is a microcosm of Atlas Shrugged.

34 posted on 03/27/2011 4:49:18 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: WeatherGuy

Funny how we were being sold a high speed rail system through detroit.


35 posted on 03/27/2011 4:51:13 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: WeatherGuy

“words like “freedom from crime” were code for moving away from blacks.”

This nice liberal obviously thinks that there is an identity between black and crime. Definitely a racist.


36 posted on 03/27/2011 5:17:00 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Patrick1

Baltimore City is well on its way. Willy Don Schaefer fostered a renaissance when he was mayor. Every mayor since then has torn down every thing that was built up.


37 posted on 03/27/2011 5:30:18 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: WeatherGuy

God!I hate the NY Times.They can take any positive story and turn it into a hatefilled diatribe in no time at all.

All of a sudden the Blacks who are heading south were discriminated by the whites in Detroit. The times still doesn’t have a clue as to why the whites fled Detroit and liberal democrat cities like it.


38 posted on 03/27/2011 5:32:02 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: WeatherGuy

Detroit blacks hate white people. All white people.

I live here.

Whites left because white culture is incompatible with black culture. Going to church and raising your kids to respect others and be responsible for your own success or failure is the opposite of the black urban culture of racist hate, perpetual victimhood and violent crime.

Especially violent crime. Let’s put an irrefutable face on this shall we - www.thugreport.com

...and when did human desire for self preservation become “racist”?


39 posted on 03/27/2011 5:39:17 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: WeatherGuy

Exactly where does Thomas J Sugrue live?

...and would he consider living is Detroit City for a year?

I’d like to hear his opinion after walking a couple blocks to the market and back a few times.

I can see him at his computer hungry with bruised ribs, a bruised cheek bone and a knot on his head trying to justify his racism for wanting to leave.


40 posted on 03/27/2011 6:04:16 AM PDT by Eddie01
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