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Oxford ethicist: use IVF to create only smart babies
The Way ^ | Mar 27, 2011 | Amanda Hopkins

Posted on 04/11/2011 8:28:42 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby

Australian ethicist working at the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics claims that humanity has a “moral obligation” to use in vitro fertilization (IVF) to select the most intelligent embryos for the good of society, with the obvious implication that the less intelligent “surplus” embryos should simply be destroyed.

Professor Julian Savulescu of Melbourne made the statement while commenting on an economic modeling research paper by Oxford University ethicists Andres Sandberg and Nick Bostrom, who claim that a rise in humanity’s IQ would result in a reduction in poverty, welfare dependency, crowding of jails, school dropout rates, out-of-wedlock births, and single parent families.

“The overall societal impact of even a small increase in general cognitive function would likely to be sizeable and desirable,” Sandberg and Bostrom wrote in their report. Professor Savulescu said, “There are other ethical principles which should govern reproduction, such as the public interest. “Even if an individual might have a stunningly good life as a psychopath, there might be reasons based on the public interest not to bring that individual into existence.

“My own view is that the economic and social benefits of higher cognition are reasons in favour of selection, but secondary to the benefits to the individual. “Cheaper, efficient whole genome analysis makes it a real possibility in the near future,” said Savulescu, according to the Herald Sun. Conservative bioethicist Wesley Smith, however, denounced the suggestion as “bigoted.”

“Alas, these bigoted ideas – because that’s what eugenics boils down to, bigotry – are embraced in contemporary academia and their intellectual purveyors are all the rage, garnering named chairs at the most elite universities,” he said. “And notice,” he continued, “these eugenicists rarely mention trying to bring out the best traits of humanity, such as love, humility, selflessness, or gentleness – traits that promote peace and harmony, and which people with Down syndrome possess in abundance.” “Intelligence is good,” says Smith.

“But if we’re going to pick and choose the traits of our progeny – which we shouldn’t – let’s aim instead for people with genes that might give them a propensity to express the virtues.”

Professor Neil Levy, Deputy Research Director of the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics, also pointed out the practical shortcomings of Savulescu’s plan, saying that investing in “designer embryos” would be “an enormous waste of money,” according to the Herald Sun. “Why spend all that money when we could be doing so much with that money to increase the IQs and life spans of babies in sub-Saharan Africa? The pay-off in terms of raising quality of life for many people would be much greater than you’d get from concentrating on just a few.” “My view is this is essentially a distraction,” Dr. Levy said.

“If you have an enriched environment as a kid, you’re just going to have a higher IQ. Birth weights strongly predict IQ, and the mother’s nutritional status strongly predicts IQ. But these are things we’re not worried about, because we’re used to them,” Dr. Levy remarked.

Dr. David Amor, Director of the Victorian Clinical Genetic Services in Australia, warned that the genetics associated with intelligence were still poorly understood, and that geneticists are skeptical that a specific gene for IQ is likely to be discovered. “It is likely that some genes involved in intelligence have both advantages and disadvantages, depending on the complex genetic environment they are placed in,”

Dr. Amor said. “It’s possible an embryo that appeared to have a perfect genetic make-up for intelligence might turn out to have less desirable attributes in other areas, such as health or personality. It might be a case of ‘be careful what you wish for’.”

Dr. Amor added that another consideration that limits the accuracy of genetic testing for intelligence is the small number of viable embryos produced by IVF. “Most couples having IVF only produce a handful or embryos suitable to test and therefore the ability to select is limited,” he said. “Even if there were larger numbers of embryos, intelligence of children tends to cluster closely around that of parents. Therefore, if a hypothetical genetic test for intelligence was applied to embryos, results would most likely be similar for all embryos.”


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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

All I can say is that Professor Julian Savulescu really doesn’t have a lot of common sense.

It doesn’t take much thought to realize that factors other than intelligence keep people in poverty or make people choose to be criminals. Even factors such as psychopathy are not predictors of how that person will fare in life (in any case, psychopathy is probably a result of environment and genes, making it not possible to eliminate just from a genetic test).

Sure, there is a need for high IQ people. We’re the ones figuring out the basic science that will lead to medical treatments years down the road. We’re developing new technology, writing music, making art, and doing all sorts of great things for the betterment of humanity. But there is no way we do our high IQ stuff without the support of the average or low IQ people—the administrative staff, janitors, cooks, etc. There’s no need for someone with a 160 IQ to be running the industrial dish washer or collecting the trash.

I’ll bet that Professor Julian Savulescu has all kinds of staff supporting him and the other thinkers in his department. I wouldn’t be surprised if, while dismissing them from his idea of a perfect utopia, he’s probably taking their services for granted...


21 posted on 04/11/2011 10:15:07 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

C. S. Lewis pointed out the fundamental problem with doing this long ago in his essay book The Abolition Of Man.


22 posted on 04/11/2011 11:06:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: exDemMom

Who knows, if it were possible to “wave a magic wand” and make men “smarter” without committing immoral acts, people would invent robots to do the mind numbing tasks.


23 posted on 04/11/2011 11:08:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

Aside from the moralit of the situation, IVF is freakin’ expensive. Who’s paying for all this?

(Oh, right, the government . . . I forget. Silly me.)


24 posted on 04/11/2011 11:30:17 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (March 2010: Congress shoved Obamacare down our throats. November 2010: We will shove it back!)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

even the Spartans didn’t do that
http://ancientstandard.com/2007/12/03/this-is-sparta-%E2%80%93-no-baby-throwing-allowed-ca-5th-c-bc/

Note the link to freerepublic in the article :)


25 posted on 04/12/2011 1:03:11 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: mamelukesabre

“The problem is...no one is smart enough to really know WHAT intelligence is. They can’t accurately measure it much less predict who’s going to get it.”

If there is an intelligence gene(s), it could very be something that results in slightly higher blood flow to the brain.


26 posted on 04/12/2011 1:08:06 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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27 posted on 04/12/2011 5:40:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

This person is not an ethicist but an agnostic eugenisist.


28 posted on 04/12/2011 5:46:02 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: exDemMom

You got that right. In short, some of those most evil people to ever walk the planet had a high IQ. IQ is important, but is not the determining factor.


29 posted on 04/12/2011 6:04:57 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

Depends on the definition. My best friend was labeled “slow” at school because his dad was the county drunk.

He now runs an engineering department.


30 posted on 04/12/2011 6:19:40 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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