Tickerguy Flips A-A [A-A-K-x-x Board] (Birth Certificate)

The Market Ticker ^ | May 2, 2011 | Karl Denninger

[kiryandil]

You knew I had pocket rockets, right?  How often have you seen me come up with something on The Ticker without a fairly-decent set of evidence behind what I had to say?

It's time to call the curtain on this game and then go back to economics.

Find me one typewriter in the world, anywhere, that can perform kerning and I will believe this "certificate" is real.

For the uninitiated, "kerning" is the process of manipulating the spacing of letters to make the appearance more pleasing.  Here's an example from this Ticker itself:

http://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?get_gallerynr=1595

This process, of course, requires that you know what the next letter is.  With a computer this is pretty easy, since the computer can retroactively go back and adjust, and it also can typeset the current letter with knowledge of what the previous one was.

A typewriter, on the other hand, is a mechanical device.  It does not know what the next letter is that you will type, nor does it know what the last letter was that you typed. It thus has a typeface that always leaves physical space between the boundary of each character and the impression.  It has to, lest letters run together and look like utter crap.

Typesetters (offset printing machines and similar) perform kerning - in fact, it's part of typesetting.  But typewriters do not, cannot, and never have.

This, of course, is why the typed Birth Certificate has kerned text in it.

http://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?get_gallerynr=1598

Oh, and before you say "that's an artifact of what the White House did with their automated process", here's the same thing on the AP copy, which is a simple picture scanned in, with no post-processing of materiality I can detect and no layers.

http://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?get_gallerynr=1597

Oh darn.

Incidentally this is not the only example, as I show in the video.

To refute this point you must come up with a typewriter that contains a flux capacitor and thus is capable of accurately predicting the future.

I'm sure there will be people who argue some sort of explanation (e.g. "sloppy carriage") for these results.  But at the end of the day, here's the point: Exactly how many of these "explanations" have to line up in this way for everything to be on the up-and-up with this document?  Each of these explanations that has been proffered - tab stops, damage to the background, the low number of layers from automated processing that just happen to all be on things that would be important to change if you were forging something, the appearance of kerning, misalignment of certain fields .vs. others and more - has a probability associated with it as random chance. 

How many of these random probability events have to fall exactly the right way for the explanation that everything is on the up and up to be valid?

Remember, in 1961 nobody knew this person was anyone but a random half-black baby.  There was absolutely nothing remarkable about him that would distinguish him from the other kids born in Hawaii - or anywhere else - that year.  There was no reason for his birth certificate to be made any more "pretty" than any other kid's, or for any sort of special treatment.  Nobody knew, absent a time machine, that this person would be President in 2008.

What are the odds, folks, that it would all line up as the Obama supports claim by simple random chance?

Now about that forensic analysis we should have done on the alleged document that allegedly is in the files at the Hawaii Registrar's office in order to see if it's really 50ish years old.....  This is the only way we are going to get the truth.  Will the American people, Congress, or someone (e.g. a judge) demand defensible truth on this topic?  We damn well should.

(I think that's my pot in the center of the table.  Would you help me push the rather-large pile of chips over here please?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85yVkL94_BU

PS: This is exactly how Dan Rather got caught - typography that was impossible to produce using the alleged tool the "document" was created with.

[CharlesWayneCT]

I’m glad nobody made me prove that the document Maryland had which said I was born was not altered in some way before they let me be a citizen and get a passport and a job that required my birth certificate.

Once we “prove” that there is an original document in HI, won’t we now have to prove that the people who put the information onto that document didn’t lie about what they put there?

Which is the funny part — most of the information on a BC isn’t the result of an FBI investigation; they simply ask the parent for the information, and write it down.

So the source of the information (father’s citizenship, occupations, home address, spelling of names) is just some minor teenager’s recollections to the secretary filling out the form.

[wbill]

Oh yeah, you're right. And I like the Elephants Imagery.

Throw in the the whole "Hunh? Who's the President Again?" crowd, who would be hard-pressed to find either Hawaii OR Kenya on a map..... and there's a whole lot of intertia to overcome.

Frankly, I think that people would be better off working towards getting him tossed in 2012, than trying to un-elect him from 2008. But that's just me.

[Freeper]

Hope this helps you understand the capabilities of a typewriter.

An IBM Selectric (any model) CAN NOT do kerning.

An IBM Executive Typewriter (models A , B, C or D) CAN DO kerning.

[Freeper]

Hope this helps you understand the capabilities of a typewriter.

An IBM Selectric (any model) CAN NOT do kerning.

An IBM Executive Typewriter (models A , B, C or D) CAN DO kerning.

[wbill]

Also, as far as the "forgery" aspect is concerned, I was surprised that they listed his dad's race as "African".

I wasn't around in 1961, but I thought that the term used then would be "Negro". Figured that was before PC-ism had reared it's ugly head.

I suppose that it would be easy enough to check another birth certificate from HI in that time frame with a black father listed on it. If any intrepid reporters had the wit or the inclination to do such a thing, that is.

[El Sordo]

“So why would a supposedly typed 1961 ‘original’ be perfectly spaced when in 1961 it wasn’t happening?”

I am not so sure that this is the case. The typesetting doesn't look substantially different from the Nordyke’s BC’s.

See: http://i.imgur.com/CjRtj.gif.webloc

“And why would it also say the politically correct “African” for race when the law stated that “Negro” was what was used?”

Because that requirement wasn't rigidly adhered to?

“Remember, the recent ‘release’ has been claimed to be a scanned copy of an original.”

As I understand it, the recent release is a scan of a certified document provided by the state of Hawaii. Exactly what Birthers have been demanding for so long.

Aaaannnddd... Then you'll notice they immediately moved the goalposts when this latest bit of info didn't conform to their various invented scenarios.

[Prokopton]

And I worked on one of their selectric / composer units in about 1972(it was an older unit) or so that produced near typeset quality, including kerning. It worked by your keying in the text, which was recorded on a mag card, and then played back with corrections and letterspacing and kerning applied. At least, that's how I remember it. Whether the Hawaii DOH had one of these units we don't know.

Now, that doesn't mean that the Regime hasn't produced a fraud here, only that the argument that typewriters did not kern is not accurate.

These units were large, bulky, slow machines designed for typesetting, not typewriting. They were totally unsuitable for use with a form.

Proportional spacing, available on some typewriters, is not kerning, it merely makes the fixed spacing of letters proportionate to their width.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Here's another "Karl" thing. On an earlier FR thread, he made a big deal out of a mis-alignment of the "date" stamppd on the two versions of the document.

But when I looked at a JPEG of the PDF posted on Wikipedia, the alignment was different than either of his two versions that he had clipped out and shown.

So somehow taking a picture of the pdf changed the alignment.

picture of BC

I think part of the problem is looking at PDFs at 1000% magnification.

[mad_as_he$$]

Selectrics were not introduced until July, 1961. There were other kinds of electric typewriters before that that provided a power assist operation. I do not recall them being speed sensitive. Old manuals for sure were speed sensitive. My mother could tell who in her typing pool typed something on a manual by how the letters were spaced. Me, I could never see any difference.

[ClearCase_guy]

I'm really trying not to get sucked back into the whole issue, but the goalposts really didn't move.

Intelligent people always stuck to the concept that, given who Obama's father was, the child (no matter where he was born) could not be a Natural Born Citizen. That really was the essential point, although people like Donald Trump seemed to miss it.

If the BC had come out and said that Frank Marshall Davis was the father, then Obama might have (in a way) been in a good position. But, since the BC confirms that his father was who we all expected -- a British subject -- then the NBC issue is as valid today as it was 2 years go. No need to move any goalposts.

But let me just say: I have zero faith that the US Supreme Court will make any ruling on NBC which would endanger Obama's presidency, so I see the entire BC/NBC/Hi/Kenya issue to be rather pointless at this time.

[glorgau]

This guy is clearly a racist.

[WOSG]

If there was some real evidence behind any claim other than him being born in Honolulu, yeah, it would change things.
As it is now, there is zero evidence for that.
So those who take the powers-that-be and their official docs at their word have their whole story; those who assume they are all in on a scam to mislead have theirs.

[El Sordo]

Nothin’ wrong with that.

I'm sympathetic to the 2-parent argument. I personally think that this is how it ought to be, but that the legal support for it isn't there.

For the purposes of the 2-parent argument, no further documentation than the COLB was ever needed.

My issues are with the “AH-HA! A GRAY PIXEL NEXT TO A BLACK PIXEL” crowd, who are so emotionally enmeshed in their fevered dreams that something has just got to be wrong with BHO’s known birth circumstances, that they abandon all rational thought in an effort to justify their desired worldview.

[Plutarch]

This would be more impressive if he showed differences between the typeset on the same words on the Nordyke, and other early 60's BC's.

If anyone is going to make this case with the kerning, it needs to be slam-dunk, and proven every which way before anyone is going to pay attention.

[ebysan]

I read that Obama (Mr I, I, I ) gave the go ahead for this operation to kill Osama bin Laden last week.

Is this why he released his “Fake” BC last week???

Hoping the information about Osama bin Laden would over shadow his

“Fake” BC!!

PS: Mr I, I, I interrupted Trumps “Celebrity Apprentice” to make his announcement...................

“8 hrs” after this event actually took place!!

Was this a stick it in your eye (to Trump) for Obama to make this

announcement at this particular time???

[kiryandil]

I’ve said before, Karl should stick to something he knows, which supposedly is economics.

Denninger is a computer professional.

[allmendream]

Are people's memories REALLY that short?

Please refresh your memory about what the short form COLB said as to the race of 0bama’s father.

Far from being suspicious that it said “African”; it would be suspicious if the “long form” info didn't match the “short form” info.

[kiryandil]

My issues are with the “AH-HA! A GRAY PIXEL NEXT TO A BLACK PIXEL” crowd, who are so emotionally enmeshed in their fevered dreams that something has just got to be wrong with BHO’s known birth circumstances, that they abandon all rational thought in an effort to justify their desired worldview.

You obviously didn't read & understand the article that Denninger wrote.

Computer science is intrinsically rational.

[kiryandil]

This would be more impressive if he showed differences between the typeset on the same words on the Nordyke, and other early 60's BC's.

I looked over one of the Nordyke BCs. The resolution wasn't as good, but I think there was an absence of kerning on the letters in Kapiolani that Denninger highlighted.

[BuckeyeTexan]

As evidence of kerning, this guy points to the first lowercase ‘a’ in “Kapiolani” invading the space of the lowercase ‘p,’ which is immediately to the right of the ‘a.’ Likewise, he points to the lowercase ‘t’ in “University” invading the space of the lowercase ‘y,’ which is immediately to the right of the ‘t.’

And he’s correct. But how does he explain the fact that the same evidence of “kerning” is found all throughout Susan Nordyke’s long form birth certificate?

(See for yourself: http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/this-is-a-hawaii-birth-certificate/)

Ah ha! The Nordyke twins LFBCs must also be computer-generated forgeries! /s