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Tickerguy Flips A-A [A-A-K-x-x Board] (Birth Certificate)
The Market Ticker ^ | May 2, 2011 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 05/02/2011 11:01:22 AM PDT by kiryandil

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1 posted on 05/02/2011 11:01:27 AM PDT by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil
updates from today's eligibility trial ..CSPAN to broadcast oral arguments live.
2 posted on 05/02/2011 11:15:34 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: kiryandil

I’m mostly staying off these threads, because I think this is now like the JFK assassination: whatever the truth may be, I don’t think it matters. “They” won’t let the story be shaken. Neither party, no branch of government, and neither the feds, nor the states, really want to consider evidence that this is all a massive fraud. Which is not to say that is is a fraud. It just means that the final version of the story has been accepted, and further investigation into the matter will not be considered by the powers that be.


3 posted on 05/02/2011 11:17:12 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: kiryandil

BTTT. Thanks for posting.


4 posted on 05/02/2011 11:17:27 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: kiryandil
Remember when the left went nuts trying everything they could, however ridiculous, to prove that the Killian documents were what they wanted them to be?

No theory was too crazy because they couldn't accept that reality did not agree with them.

Ahhh, the good old days...

5 posted on 05/02/2011 11:18:08 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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I could see where Kerning would be impossible with an IBM Selectric, the one with the ball, but with the type writers with the hammers that struck each individual letter, it would depend on the speed of the typist.
I would think that the hammers would slam close together if someone could type 120 words a minute, overriding the movement of the carriage. My mom typed 120 WPM on one of those. I’ll have to see if there is anything around that she typed.


6 posted on 05/02/2011 11:21:30 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: kiryandil

Tickerguy Flips is a misleading title.


7 posted on 05/02/2011 11:21:49 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: El Sordo

And you thought the Killian Memos were real too, right?


8 posted on 05/02/2011 11:30:52 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
It just means that the final version of the story has been accepted, and further investigation into the matter will not be considered by the powers that be.

Yep. I think you and I might have talked about this very thing. You could present videotaped evidence of the birth, with a Dated Honolulu newspaper plainly evident in the delivery room, and palm trees swaying in the breeze out the window.....

And there would be FReepers saying "Yeah, But....."

Sometimes, American People just don't want to know the truth. It'll come out, eventually, when it doesn't matter anymore.

9 posted on 05/02/2011 11:32:15 AM PDT by wbill
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...Tickerguy Flips is a misleading title...

I like Karl and read his blog daily but he doesn't title his blog posts in a manner that leads to them being posted on other sites.

10 posted on 05/02/2011 11:34:43 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Land of the free my @ss)
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To: netmilsmom
I could see where Kerning would be impossible with an IBM Selectric, the one with the ball, but with the type writers with the hammers that struck each individual letter, it would depend on the speed of the typist. I would think that the hammers would slam close together if someone could type 120 words a minute, overriding the movement of the carriage. My mom typed 120 WPM on one of those. I’ll have to see if there is anything around that she typed.
11 posted on 05/02/2011 11:36:52 AM PDT by CMAC51
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I agree with you, but I also think it goes the other way. You could present videotaped evidence of the birth, with a dated Kenyan newspaper plainly evident in the delivery room, and elephants walking past the window.....

Either way, people believe what they want to believe and nothing will shake them. And the official story is that he was born in Hawaii and I no longer see much point in anyone trying to say, "Yeah, but ..."

12 posted on 05/02/2011 11:38:37 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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That document was a computer generated image. The only “copied” items were the signatures, everything else is generated by OCR software. It is made to look like some kind of photographic image, but it isn’t.

It also is wide open to manipulation and “updating” if the state sees fit.

In 1961, they would have been using a manual typewriter in a hospital that size.


13 posted on 05/02/2011 11:39:07 AM PDT by wrench
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bfl


14 posted on 05/02/2011 11:40:34 AM PDT by shield (Rev2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: netmilsmom
I could see where Kerning would be impossible with an IBM Selectric, the one with the ball, but with the type writers with the hammers that struck each individual letter, it would depend on the speed of the typist. I would think that the hammers would slam close together if someone could type 120 words a minute, overriding the movement of the carriage. My mom typed 120 WPM on one of those. I’ll have to see if there is anything around that she typed.

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Typewriters relied on a mechanical cycle, the carriage movement coicided with the return of the hammer. If the next key is struck too soon, the hammers colide and stick. Happened to me all of the time in typing class. Part of typing fast was getting in sync with the cycle. So, there is no way for the second hammer to arrive before the carriage moved during the return of the first hammer.

15 posted on 05/02/2011 11:41:29 AM PDT by CMAC51
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As one who spent a lot of my life in graphic arts, I understand your argument. But a word of caution: there were typewriters that could kern. IBM introduced proportional letter spacing in the 40s. From their website:

The first IBM "Executive" Typewriter with proportional spacing, the Model A, was placed on the market shortly after World War II. . .

And I worked on one of their selectric / composer units in about 1972(it was an older unit) or so that produced near typeset quality, including kerning. It worked by your keying in the text, which was recorded on a mag card, and then played back with corrections and letterspacing and kerning applied. At least, that's how I remember it. Whether the Hawaii DOH had one of these units we don't know.

Now, that doesn't mean that the Regime hasn't produced a fraud here, only that the argument that typewriters did not kern is not accurate.

16 posted on 05/02/2011 11:41:46 AM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est)
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To: Darksheare
No. They were obviously false and the whole thing fell apart immediately with real-world consequences.

But, you will note that those that wanted to believe that they were true tried every stupid thing they could to come up with reasons they could be true. And to this day Mary Mapes insists that they've never been “proven false”.

Birthers are the flip side of this.

They are taking state certified documents with a long legal pedigree and custody trail and trying every stupid thing they can think of to claim that they are false. With many falling back on the argument that these documents have never been “proven true”.

It's inane.

I am looking forward to the next presidency not only for the hope of BHO leaving office, but for Birthers going away and we can get back to mocking the left for these kinds of shenanigans.

17 posted on 05/02/2011 11:43:19 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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I’ve said before, Karl should stick to something he knows, which supposedly is economics.

I lost interest in Karl’s analysis when he mischaracterized the National Review layers experiment by pointing out that some of their letters had color artifacts while the specific letters of the Obama BC that he showed didn’t. But I found that the NR document also had a lot of letters that didn’t, and in fact saw it changed randomly between having the color shadows, and not having the shadows, which just showed it was part of the randomness of the scan processing.

In this latest “report”, Karl claims first that no “typewriter” can kern. But he doesn’t explain why he think the source document had to be reproduced on a standard typewriter, as opposed to say a teletype or printer. By the 60s, computers were coming into vogue, so even if you thought this was a print of an original BC in 1961, some of the form letters could have been printed out from a printer.

If the form was reproduced later, there were several IBM typewriters that had storage capability and did proportional fonts. This was discussed in the Rathergate scandal, when it was shown that the guy who supposedly wrote the documents didn’t have access to such a typewriter, and none of his other documents were typed on one.

At least here Karl makes it clear that there are two online sources for the document, which have the exact same underlying information, one of which has NO LAYERS.

So the conspiracy theorists have to explain why the Administration would take the time to do scan/overlays on their copy, but not change a single thing, so that it still matches the information on the AP non-layered version (or worse, why they would doctor the physical copy they then sent to the AP, but not just scan THAT copy for their own online version).

This is a conspiracy that has no explained point. None of the found “anomalies” can be explained as to how they advance a change in the document that serves a purpose. Changing the “r” in Barack doesn’t change anything; making dozens of changes to letters in the underlying FORM doesn’t change anything.


18 posted on 05/02/2011 11:45:00 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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“They were obviously false “

So why would a supposedly typed 1961 ‘original’ be perfectly spaced when in 1961 it wasn’t happening?
And why would it also say the politically correct “African” for race when the law stated that “Negro” was what was used?
Remember, the recent ‘release’ has been claimed to be a scanned copy of an original.


19 posted on 05/02/2011 11:47:02 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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That’s why I put it out there. I wasn’t sure. I do remember playing with my mom’s typewriter, but was only about five and no way could I really type.


20 posted on 05/02/2011 11:47:14 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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