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Student defies ACLU at graduation, leads public prayer
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Posted on 05/21/2011 2:20:41 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin

Edited on 05/25/2011 2:44:55 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A student who objected to prayer being part of Bastrop High School's 2011 graduation ceremonies enlisted the help of the American Civil Liberties Union. However, another student whose role was to call for a moment of silence during Friday's ceremony led the audience in prayer despite the ACLU objections.


(Excerpt) Read more at stamfordadvocate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: aclu; arth; commencements; education; momentofsilence; voluntaryprayer
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Maybe with a few more patriotic heroes like this we can get America back to its founding Christian roots, and stop the atheistic liberal fascist takeover
1 posted on 05/21/2011 2:20:45 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin
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To: Ira_Louvin

There is hope.
God bless Laci.


2 posted on 05/21/2011 2:25:31 PM PDT by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: Ira_Louvin

The school didn’t endorse it. So what is the ACLU’s problem?

Declare war on the ACLU because they have declared war on our nation.


3 posted on 05/21/2011 2:25:52 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

I guessing Laci won’t be getting the 2011 ‘Kennedy’s Profile in Courage’ award.


4 posted on 05/21/2011 2:26:07 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Ira_Louvin

Civil disobedience is the best way to deal with stupid superintendents, judges and activist lawyers.


5 posted on 05/21/2011 2:26:46 PM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: Ira_Louvin
Senior Laci Rae Mattice made a GUTSY move!
6 posted on 05/21/2011 2:28:13 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: Ira_Louvin

> “The First Amendment prohibition on government
> endorsement of religion exists to protect the minority
> from the majority,” said Marjorie R. Esman,

Let’s have a look at the first amendment.

“Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

Looks like the first amendment was written to protect religion from the government, as well as from communist ACLU guttersnipes.


7 posted on 05/21/2011 2:28:19 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Ira_Louvin
Civil disobedience during the Clinton years was patriotic. Civil disobedience during Obama is terrorism.
8 posted on 05/21/2011 2:29:19 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice)
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To: Ira_Louvin

LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


9 posted on 05/21/2011 2:30:32 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: RatRipper
The school didn’t endorse it. So what is the ACLU’s problem?

I agree.. do you suppose they would go after an 18 year old girl for her freedom of speech?

10 posted on 05/21/2011 2:30:41 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RatRipper
Declare war on the ACLU because they have declared war on our nation.

We need to sue the ACLU.

11 posted on 05/21/2011 2:32:40 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: Ira_Louvin

Wow, good for her!


12 posted on 05/21/2011 2:33:33 PM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: Westbrook

It doesn’t appear that Congress was involved in this situation at all.

What laws do Louisianans have regarding religion and religious expression?

The tyrds at the aclu are making a hollow argument.


13 posted on 05/21/2011 2:34:22 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

Far more actual Americans need to stand up like this and show some guts!!!


14 posted on 05/21/2011 2:47:09 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Ira_Louvin
You gotta wonder what the ACLU's definition of "freedom" is, and whether they approve of freedom in any form.
15 posted on 05/21/2011 2:47:49 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia: The fear of offending Muslims because they are prone to violence.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

She has as much right to make her statement as the God hating atheist POS who called the ACLU.

I have NO respect for one person who thinks they can make others crawl for them because they call the ACLU.

They can kiss where the sun don’t shine.


16 posted on 05/21/2011 2:48:35 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Ira_Louvin

Look at all the anti’s here in the comments section of the Bastrop Newspaper article on it.:
http://www.bastropenterprise.com/newsnow/x1796494554/Just-like-any-other-graduation


17 posted on 05/21/2011 2:48:45 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Ira_Louvin

The prohibition of religion is NOT freedom of religion!


18 posted on 05/21/2011 2:57:04 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Ira_Louvin
It was unclear if the prayer would result in any legal action.

AND WHAT IF IT DOES? So what! Let the ACLU sue. The school district should not even bother to answer it or spend a single dime. Let them get a default judgment. what will the court do? How will it get the money? Not a single public official would dare to life a finger to help. THIS IS WHAT EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL MUST DO - JUST IGNORE THE ACLU SUITS AND THEY WILL GO AWAY. PERIOD.

19 posted on 05/21/2011 2:57:58 PM PDT by montag813 (SECURE THE DAMN BORDER! http://www.StandWithArizona.com)
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To: Tribune7

Yes, we have freedom of religion....not freedom from religion. This Orwellian/Marxist idea that religion can not be in the public square is unconstitutional. The mention of God is allowed by our Constitution——if the idea of God is not allowed....neither can the idea of No God....since there is no scientific proof of no God....so since the faith of Atheism is allowed....then they have to accommodate all religions...particularly the historic Christian religion. Never has there been a successful society that refuses to practice and promote religion in the public square. (of course, Marxists understand to destroy a nation you destroy their religion and the natural family will fall apart).

Christian societies were the most successful in the history of man from many measures because that religion is based and seeped in Natural Law Theory....the very concept the USA’s legal system was built on—based on Logic and Reason.


20 posted on 05/21/2011 3:00:49 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: RnMomof7

They will look for an angle. Don’t think they will tolerate somebody spitting in their face. My guess is they will go after the principal for not tackling her and making her stop.


21 posted on 05/21/2011 3:05:40 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Ira_Louvin
I was hoping that as part of her remarks, Laci told the ACLU to stuff it, but I guess that isn't very Christian of me.
22 posted on 05/21/2011 3:10:41 PM PDT by mojito
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To: traderrob6

Have you noticed how atheists are becoming like homosexuals - always in our faces and insisting that we do things their way. We need to fight back and just say no. We are still America and our country was built by God-fearing men and women and we will not back down!


23 posted on 05/21/2011 3:10:59 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Ira_Louvin
The First Amendment prohibition on government endorsement of religion exists to protect the minority from the majority,

Dumb lawyer forgot about the part forbidding the gov't from the FREE exercise of religion.

24 posted on 05/21/2011 3:12:09 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Ira_Louvin
"The First Amendment prohibition on government endorsement of religion exists to protect the minority from the majority,"

First of all, it's not "prohibition on government endorsement of religion", it's prohibition on government endorsing a particular Church (separation of church and state). Even more, the amendment says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...."

Secondly, for Pete's sakes, was a minority in any danger, when majority prayed to bless them all?!
25 posted on 05/21/2011 3:15:45 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: traderrob6

Good point!


26 posted on 05/21/2011 3:16:39 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: Ira_Louvin

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.


27 posted on 05/21/2011 3:17:57 PM PDT by Rodm
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To: Tribune7
Civil disobedience is the best way to deal with stupid superintendents, judges and activist lawyers.

Only Liberals, Socialists and Communists can commit civil disobedience. If anyone from our side does it, that person is a troublemaker and possibly a criminal. [/sarc]

28 posted on 05/21/2011 3:25:21 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Ira_Louvin
Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof

It's pretty stinking clear to me what they had in mind with this amendment. I don't know why lawyers, judges, and ACLU commie USA haters have any wiggle room around it.
29 posted on 05/21/2011 3:26:02 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Ira_Louvin
"The First Amendment prohibition on government endorsement of religion exists to protect the minority from the majority," said Marjorie R. Esman, ACLU of Louisiana executive director. "Freedom of religion belongs to everyone, not just those whose views may be more popular than others."

Ah...well spoken Marjorie. Except for one small thing. In citing the First Amendment, you neglected the second part which shoots very large .50 caliber holes in your argument;

"...nor the free exercise thereof."

30 posted on 05/21/2011 3:26:02 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (A "Moderate Muslim"? Nothing more than a Muslim Extremist who has run out of ammo.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

Abolish government “education” (“indoctrination” is more accurate). End of problem.


31 posted on 05/21/2011 3:32:53 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

God Bless you Laci Rae!


32 posted on 05/21/2011 3:37:13 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: Gerish

Of course the ACLU will engage in a lawsuit.

Perhaps the real question is if the ACLU will be sued for interfering with the free exercise of religion.


33 posted on 05/21/2011 3:59:25 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Ira_Louvin

God bless you Luci!


34 posted on 05/21/2011 4:01:04 PM PDT by cblue55 (Envisioning when all that is left is the right.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
"Of course the ACLU will engage in a lawsuit."

Against whom? The school's ass is well covered, because they gave her specific instructions to "not" indulge in public prayer. That she chose to exercise HER right to a bit of "civil disobedience" let's them off the hook. And FIRMLY haves a loud, wet, raspberry to the ACLU.

My home state, BTW, and I'm darned proud of it (and her).

This, and the Mississippi incident on the Westboro Baptist Church's planned demonstration at a soldier's funeral shows that the grassroots is beginning to push back.

35 posted on 05/21/2011 4:10:10 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Tribune7
It takes more than that when it comes to the ACLU. They'd call out the police and the armed forces on anyone acting contrary to their intentions and you know it.

They are just waiting for the day when they can have Christian protestors shot down in cold blood.

They've done it before and they'll do it again UNLESS THEY ARE STOPPED NOW.

36 posted on 05/21/2011 4:13:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ira_Louvin

God bless this girl.


37 posted on 05/21/2011 4:14:55 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: ilovesarah2012

There simply are certain groups of people who get in everyone else’s face and demand submission/agenda approval:

Homosexuals

ACLUers

Vegans

Feminists

And especially........ MUSLIMS!

They all need to be told to get a life.


38 posted on 05/21/2011 4:32:24 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam.)
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To: Ira_Louvin
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,

or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."


39 posted on 05/21/2011 5:47:41 PM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: All

As an atheist my feelings on public prayer are as follows:

Meh, do it if you want to, it doesn’t make a difference.


40 posted on 05/21/2011 6:13:09 PM PDT by Behemothpanzer (You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

I hope there’s video of this.

IN 2006 a young lady by the name of Brittany gave the valedictory speech at her graduation. Speakers must submit their speech prior to graduation for approval. She was told to rewrite it without the references to Jesus as her savior and inspiration. She agreed, then gave her original speech.

They cut the mike on her. The case gained national attention and Mark Levin wrote about her in his book, Liberty and Tyranny.

There were lawsuits regarding the incidence, but I can’t remember the outcome.

I love that she gave a short and sweet prayer, then invited the crowd to join her in the Lord’s Prayer. That way, had they cut the mike, the prayer was still heard.

Like I said, I hope there is video of this.


41 posted on 05/21/2011 6:28:38 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette

There is a similar story about a girl chosen to give the valedictorian address at graduation. She had to submit her address to the higher ups in school to make sure it was politically correct...no mention of God. At the end of her address she sneezed. Everyone in attendance said “God bless you.”
Maybe, just maybe, we can take this country back to where it belongs.


42 posted on 05/21/2011 8:29:32 PM PDT by JimmyMc
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To: elcid1970

Ya know, if the valedictorian happened to be a Muslim, somehow they’d make arrangements for his or her mention of “Allah.” You just know it.


43 posted on 05/22/2011 12:37:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Ira_Louvin
Geaux Laci Rae Mattice! May the Lord bless you for your courage!
44 posted on 05/22/2011 12:43:40 AM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

And if it were a she-muzzie giving the valedictory address, she’d be burka’d up to her eyeballs.

Which is intended of course to say “IN YOUR FACE!” to us infidels. Whoever said all muzzies practice Sharia but won’t admit it was spot on.


45 posted on 05/22/2011 4:47:38 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

I would still like to know why praying isn’t speech or a segment of it.


46 posted on 05/22/2011 8:18:18 AM PDT by stevem
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To: Ira_Louvin
"The First Amendment prohibition on government endorsement of religion exists to protect the minority from the majority,"

Who, then, protects my property from confiscation by the majority to fund their public, liberal indoctrination prisons for children? They can take my money so that freeloading parents can have someone teach their children that my religion is false? I have to pay twice if I want to give my child an established religious education?

PUBLIC EDUCATION IS A VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT

47 posted on 05/22/2011 9:28:30 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: JimmyMc

Just think if the ACLU were flooded with this type of Christian civil disobedience. The ACLU would be broken trying to sue all of the schools and students.

Perhaps that should be the plan. Fight them with their own tactics.


48 posted on 05/22/2011 1:15:37 PM PDT by vg0va3 (I don't plan to quit the fight until it is finally over. Although, I am getting tired...)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Just wondering, if during an ACLU intiated trial, does the judge make ACLU witnesses’ swear the oath with their hand on the bible?


49 posted on 05/22/2011 1:16:05 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Ira_Louvin

Laci’s bravery and love of God should be rewarded with and not condemned!

She will be rewarded by a new star in her crown in heaven above anything else!

I am humbled by her bravery and passion!


50 posted on 05/22/2011 1:46:17 PM PDT by LUV W (RAISING CAIN!!!!********CAIN is ABLE!*******Time to CAIN obama!!)
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