Posted on 06/03/2011 10:10:03 PM PDT by lwoodham
Alabama Passes Mandatory E-Verify & Immigration Enforcement Bill
Friday, June 3, 2011, 1:25 PM EDT
An Alabama House and Senate conference committee agreed on a new bill, which both chambers have already passed, that requires the use of E-Verify by all businesses in the state and includes several immigration enforcement provisions. Should Gov. Robert Bentley sign the bill into law, it would become one of the largest state crackdowns on illegal immigration in the country.
The bill requires all businesses, public and private, to begin using E-Verify effective April 1, 2012. Businesses that do not comply face suspension of its business license and loss of employee expensing for state income tax purposes. All state and local businesses must be in compliance by Jan. 1, 2012 or face loss of business license and contract.
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Less than seven months after breaking a 140-year Democrat stranglehold on the statehouse. Finally: progress in Montgomery.
Isn’t that their intention—to make you sick enough to quit and become government dependent—or maybe a democRAT donor with exceptions and waivers?
I am doing everything I can to get it mandatory in VA. We are either a nation of laws or we are not.
I think most people are motivated by the desire for order and goodness.
Public schools. Most people spend their formative years, 18 years in a highly controlled, safe, predictable environment. The bell rings, it’s time to go to class. Bell rings, move to another class. Bell rings, time to eat. Bell rings, time to sit. Bell rings time to stand up. All very predictable. Very orderly. Textbooks are created to spoon feed information. WWII might have a page and half. Textbooks have little chapter quizzes that follow sequentially the text. All predictable, controlled and orderly. The chapter quizzes, predictably create the basis for the mid term exam, and the final exam.
So these little sheeple get out of school. What do they demand? The demand order. They demand safety. They demand predictability and risk aversion. These little sheeple will give up anything to feel safe. They will bleat for seat belt laws and speed traps. They will bleat for for free health care and a financial safety net. They will bring cops, guns, tasers and boots onto your head if they think order, safety and predictability is at risk.
Most importantly, they want the means to control others to secure the predictable orderly environment they demand.
You don't understand how the E-Verify program works. It has nothing to do with controlling employment. It has to do with enforcing the laws of this nation and protecting American jobs.
Bounty systems can be so effective they were used to eradicate passenger pigeons to the point of extinction. All that would have to be done is to put a $5,000 bounty on an illegal turned in and deported with a $25,000 penalty on legal immigrants or citizens illegally detained. I promise you, in this job market they would be gone so fast it would scare you.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Resort to what amounts to legal vigilantism. There are over 40 million foreign born in this country, most of them here legally. And exactly how would the bounty hunters determine who was here legally or illegally? Check their papers? This is a recipie for anarchy and divisiveness. The Nazis tried something similar with the Jews and the East Germans had a system of reporting on dissidents. Turning in one's neighbor is not the best way to deal with a problem of this magnitude. Moreover, it woiuld never be approved politically. No politician would ever support such a program nor would the American people.
Well, there's laws and there's laws. Nazi Germany was a nation of laws, too.
-- Martin Luther King, Jr., Letter from a Birmingham Jail"We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was 'legal' and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was 'illegal.'"
Kabar, lets back up a little and address some real basics you are taking for granted:
“Businesses that do not comply face suspension of its business license.”
Licensing business. Really? I need a license to pursue Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Really.
Like I said I hate the stupid village.
I hate the language: “Business that do not comply.”
Screw you piratical raiders of other peoples productivity!
All you gubment cheese eating lemmings can just go screw off! Figure out how to be productive then talk to me about licensing and compliance! SCREW OFF VILLAGE!
I will keep on fighting here in VA. I am actually encouraged by what is happening here. Ultimately, we deserve the kind of government we have. If our public is ignorant, feckless,a and apathetic, then we deserve to fail as a nation. We are no longer worthy of the Constitution and the vision of our Founders.
I absolutely understand how the E-Verify program is INTENDED to work. But intent is not the problem here. Power is.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Resort to what amounts to legal vigilantism.
That's right. Citizens are the ultimate in law enforcement. This crap about vigilantism is the war cry of the lawyers who have put this country in a unionized bureaucratic straitjacket. Are you one of them? If you don't trust the citizens of this country then don't ask for a jury if you are accused of a crime.
The Nazis tried something similar with the Jews and the East Germans had a system of reporting on dissidents.
It is a trick of the left to demonize people with what they actually intend. Pull this crap with me again and I'll call you out for the kind of fascist you quite apparently are. I have family who died in the holocaust. How the hell do you think they were found if it were not for citizen registries of Jews? That's what we're talking about here.
Are you equating the enforcement of our immigration laws with the Nazi and Communist tyrannies in Germany and Hungary? I have lived in a Communist country for two years. I know the difference.
It’s called a preventive measurement....and the rest of the country should pass similar laws.
I help write the planks of the local republican committee... I know. It’s is a joke.
I don’t have time to be a Cindy Sheehan activist. I have to scramble to pay the commercial leases I am responsible for and the payroll I have to meet, and the vendors I have to pay. The taxes I have to pay. The taxes I have to collect for the damn village, then report and pay in. I have to evaluate, hire, fire and manage my business or it will bury me.
Because I am productive everybody has their hands in my pocket. Everybody. We have a political system, a constitution to protect me while I feed all these families. But nobody looks out for the small business class. Not even the chamber of commerce. They get caught up in the regulations and licensing. Accepting the status quo, etc.
Yes, the country is done. It may fumble along for another 1000 years like the Byzantine Empire. But the light of Liberty died a long time ago.
What do you do with businesses that don't comply with the law and knowingly hire illegal aliens? E-Verify actually provides honest employers with a "safe harbor" by using a tool approved by the government. If they are found with illegals on their payrolls, they can defend themselves by showing they used E-Verify.
Since employment is the magnet that draws illegal aliens into the U.S., it follows that the best way to reduce illegal immigration is to shrink the employment magnet. To accomplish this without resorting to the method of routinely rounding up and deporting thousands of illegal workers only to have them return and obtain another readily available job, policy should focus on the businesses that hire illegal immigrants and let general employment rules rather than individual arrests drive the reduction in illegal immigration.
The policy should be based on the principles of empowerment, deterrence, and information. It should empower honest employers by giving them the tools to determine quickly and accurately whether a new hire is an authorized worker. It should hold employers free from penalty if they inadvertently hire an illegal worker after following the prescribed procedures.
Further, the policy should empower honest employers by freeing them from the burden of competing with dishonest businesses that deliberately hire illegal workers. This means that it must deter dishonest employers who willfully employ unverified and unlawful workers. For deterrence to work, however, both the government and employers must have timely and accurate information regarding new hires. Hence, E-Verify.
All you gubment cheese eating lemmings can just go screw off! Figure out how to be productive then talk to me about licensing and compliance! SCREW OFF VILLAGE!
And all you dishonest employers who hire illegal aliens that are subsidized by the US taxpayers should be prosecuted fully by the law. Placing the bottom line ahead of American workers and the impact of illegal immigration on our society and this country is not something that I support. And dishonest employers are killing the businesses of honest employers who are trying to abide by our immigration laws.
What do you do with businesses that don't comply with the law and knowingly hire illegal aliens? E-Verify actually provides honest employers with a "safe harbor" by using a tool approved by the government. If they are found with illegals on their payrolls, they can defend themselves by showing they used E-Verify.
Since employment is the magnet that draws illegal aliens into the U.S., it follows that the best way to reduce illegal immigration is to shrink the employment magnet. To accomplish this without resorting to the method of routinely rounding up and deporting thousands of illegal workers only to have them return and obtain another readily available job, policy should focus on the businesses that hire illegal immigrants and let general employment rules rather than individual arrests drive the reduction in illegal immigration.
The policy should be based on the principles of empowerment, deterrence, and information. It should empower honest employers by giving them the tools to determine quickly and accurately whether a new hire is an authorized worker. It should hold employers free from penalty if they inadvertently hire an illegal worker after following the prescribed procedures.
Further, the policy should empower honest employers by freeing them from the burden of competing with dishonest businesses that deliberately hire illegal workers. This means that it must deter dishonest employers who willfully employ unverified and unlawful workers. For deterrence to work, however, both the government and employers must have timely and accurate information regarding new hires. Hence, E-Verify.
All you gubment cheese eating lemmings can just go screw off! Figure out how to be productive then talk to me about licensing and compliance! SCREW OFF VILLAGE!
And all you dishonest employers who hire illegal aliens that are subsidized by the US taxpayers should be prosecuted fully by the law. Placing the bottom line ahead of American workers and the impact of illegal immigration on our society and this country is not something that I support. And dishonest employers are killing the businesses of honest employers who are trying to abide by our immigration laws.
And there it is, the presumption of guilt. To quote myself:
Aristotle, in the Nichomachean Ethics, elaborated on the question of ends and means with an answer so clear and simple, it is a wonder that “ends justification” was ever mentioned again. He wrote (this is condensed out of a couple of paragraphs), ‘No person selects an end unless it is a means to something else. There are no “Ends.” There are only means.’
This is a classic case of a perfectly laudable "end" (deporting illegals), used to justify an abominable means. The "means" you would employ is to empower the Federal government to have its trembling hand on a national registry with the power to deny employment. No founder of this nation would have ever tolerated such a power, but especially when it is totally unnecessary.
If you think for a minute that within the Federal government such databases are not abused, I have bad news for you, as anybody familiar with Firearms Inquiry Statistical Tracking (FIST) will tell you (item "D" about a third of the way down the page).
Don’t let the illegals in the country. If we find them driving around, walking around, or chewing gum cart them off to the gravel pits. Don’t educate them. Don’t provide health care. Don’t let them own or rent property. Leave me alone.
No, I was making the point that there are bad laws, ie that “laws” can be used to oppress and destroy life and liberty. You can’t reasonably use the rubric of “the rule of law” to justify anything. Which you seem to be doing.
It’s already illegal to invade our country, and to employ those who have done so. Don’t strip away the liberty of the American people in order to put a band-aid on a problem that has been created by our elected “leaders” unwillingness to enforce the laws we already have.
We have been working with various state legislators to get E-Verify bills passed. We have had some success--the state government and its contractors must use E-verify--but we want to make it mandatory. I have testified before various committees on legislation. We have had a number of small businesses testifying with us to get mandatory E-verify. The stories of how these people lose their businesses because they cannot compete with illegal labor used by their competitors are heartbreaking. The Chamber of Commerce is helping destroy this country. They support expanded guest worker programs and amnesty.
A few years ago, I had a new roof put on my house. The firm that did it has been in business since 1947. The crew that came out to my house were all from the same village in Mexico. Only one could speak passable English. In talking with them using some rusty Spanish, I learned that most of them had never done any roofing before coming here. When I spoke to the American supervisor about why he was using all Mexican labor, he said that was the only way they could stay in business and compete with other firms doing the same thing. It just cost too much money to hire Americans.
We have over 300,000 illegal aliens here in VA--the tenth largest in the nation. Foreign workers are everywhere--on road crews, construction sites, etc. I had a black, master brick layer and former Army veteran tell me that he was getting the same wages he received in the 1980s because of the competition of illegal aliens. If workers were in such short supplly in such trades, wages would be going up, not down or stagnant
The latest data show 22.1 million immigrants holding jobs in the U.S. with an estimated 8 million being illegal aliens. By increasing the supply of labor between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of native-born men by an estimated $1,700 or roughly 4 percent. Among natives without a high school education, who roughly correspond to the poorest tenth of the workforce, the estimated impact was even larger, reducing their wages by 7.4 percent. The reduction in earnings occurs regardless of whether the immigrants are legal or illegal, permanent or temporary. It is the presence of additional workers that reduces wages, not their legal status.
Yes, the country is done. It may fumble along for another 1000 years like the Byzantine Empire. But the light of Liberty died a long time ago.
We are being colonized by the Third World. The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest level in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born. Your estimate of 1,000 years is much too generous. We will be gone long before that.
When a cop stops someone for a traffic violation, they ask for a driver's licence. They also check the license number with a database to see if the car is stolen. Checking to see if a new hire has a valid SS is not any violation of civil liberties any more than checking if you have a passport or a ticket to get on a plane. If we don't get immigration, legal and illegal, under control, you won't have a country any more. We will lose it thru the ballot box and a bankrupt economy.
Are you on SS? If not, wait until you have to apply to get your benefits.
Bears repeating.
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