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Bachmann: Schools should teach intelligent design
CNN ^ | June 17, 2011 | Peter Hamby

Posted on 06/17/2011 5:37:57 PM PDT by ejdrapes

Bachmann: Schools should teach intelligent design
By CNN Political Reporter Peter Hamby

New Orleans, Louisiana (CNN) – Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann explained her skepticism of evolution on Friday and said students should be taught the theory of intelligent design.

Bachmann, a congresswoman from Minnesota, also proposed a major overhaul of the nation’s education system and said state administrators should be able to decide how they spend money allocated to them by the federal government.

"I support intelligent design," Bachmann told reporters in New Orleans following her speech to the Republican Leadership Conference. "What I support is putting all science on the table and then letting students decide. I don't think it's a good idea for government to come down on one side of scientific issue or another, when there is reasonable doubt on both sides."

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KEYWORDS: bachmann; intelligentdesign; michelebachmann
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To: ejdrapes
ID is bad theology dressed up as a philosophy - it is a “god of the gaps” argument.

It seems to me that if anyone thinks all modern species arose within the last few thousand years from a few “kinds” that could fit on a boat- they believe in “evolution” and “speciation” on a scale much greater than any evolutionary biologist proposes.

They just don't think “common descent of species” goes on as far.

What mechanism are you going to teach to explain the arising of antibiotic resistance, differences among human populations, selective breeding of dogs and the variations we have derived from a small population of wolves, etc, etc?

61 posted on 06/17/2011 6:36:38 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: circlecity
The laws of logic cannot be proved using the scientific method - thus the scientific method cannot be verified using the scientific method. Empiricisim is a arbitrary starting point which does not comply with human experience.

Would you care to prove that to be the case? What are you going to use for methodology?

62 posted on 06/17/2011 6:36:45 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: bwc2221

Bwhahaha! Don’t make me laugh. I think you got that religion about the time you knew Bachmann was entering the race. ROTFL

Declaration: It is now okay to attack. The difference FRiend is that I never attacked. I challenged record, positions, and electibility. It was never personal, unlike what Bachmann is getting by fellow conservatives here.


63 posted on 06/17/2011 6:36:52 PM PDT by dforest
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To: freedumb2003
"ID is philosophy, not science"

Logic is also a metaphysical construct and the scientific method is premised on logical inference.

64 posted on 06/17/2011 6:37:28 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: Aroostook25
Bachmann pushing intelligent design and other “extreme” religious right agenda items will ensure that she and whomever she partners with will lose

Huh? Intelligent design is independent of a specific religion and just acknowledges a creator and evidence of design. It is about as centrist as you can get. I haven't seen evidence of Bachmann being further to the right of Palin or West. I look at Bachmann, Palin and West all being cut out of the same cloth. (Neither Palin nor West are running BTW)

65 posted on 06/17/2011 6:39:12 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: ejdrapes

We were taught what intelligent design was and we definitely discussed it in high school Biology. I don’t remember anyone ever having an issue with it, nor any of the parents. We also learned what Creationism and evolution was. This in NY, late 80’s. Nobody had a problem with that. We also knew what the scientific method was and that there are different opinions out there. I don’t really see what the big deal is in discussing different theories, and each is a theory until proved fact. When faith and evolution are discussed, people will disagree on what is fact and what is theory based on their beliefs. To me that doesn’t mean these things can’t be discussed side by side. In fact, that’s the only way some people will be introduced to ideas different from their own. I have always told my children they are entitled to their own ideas and beliefs and to learn as much as they can because you better be able to back up those points of view!


66 posted on 06/17/2011 6:40:00 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: ejdrapes

Some day every last soul is going to get to have their meet and greet with the Creator of that said soul. There will be NO scientific methodology that redeems any soul. At the very core of the scientific methodology is ‘survival of the fittest’ thus government is needed to ‘save’ the less fit flesh... LIBERALISM in it’s simplest form.


67 posted on 06/17/2011 6:40:02 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: tacticalogic
"Would you care to prove that to be the case? What are you going to use for methodology?"

That's the whole point all methods used to prove rest on arbitrary starting points which themselves cannot be proved.

68 posted on 06/17/2011 6:40:51 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: freedumb2003
You may want to consider the implications of that statement when it comes to science...

You man Science as in

Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge.[1] To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning

or do you mean "Science" as in mindlessly reciting as fact anything the Education Establishment screams at you to believe?

69 posted on 06/17/2011 6:43:59 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: Diogenesis

She’s right — schools should teach intelligent design. She shouldn’t be bashed when she is promoting things.


70 posted on 06/17/2011 6:44:28 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: hellbender
state administrators should be able to decide how they spend money allocated to them by the federal government.

Federal, State, and Local Government officials should be prohibited from taking money from citizens for the purported purpose of education. Single Payer has never worked, doesn't work, will never work. It doesn't work in education, it won't work for healthcare.

Parents must pay directly for their children's education.

Fathers must raise their children.

71 posted on 06/17/2011 6:46:32 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Perdogg
Intelligent design is not science and should not be taught as such

As as much science as the failed theory of evolution is, which contradicts both the fossil and genetic records.

Thank God for a candidate standing up for what the people want. Any Republican that can't do is unfit for office.

72 posted on 06/17/2011 6:46:37 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: circlecity
That's the whole point all methods used to prove rest on arbitrary starting points which themselves cannot be proved.

IOW, you don't know a damned thing for sure, and have figured out a way to never have to.

73 posted on 06/17/2011 6:47:32 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: freedumb2003
"That is the point — ID is philosophy, not science."


All science has its roots in philosophy. Modern ID is not the philosophical design inference of the Classical Greek thinkers, but the application of the recognized science of design detection to understanding the origins of the universe. It also involves the intersection of information theory with modern biology. While it did borrow some insights from the philosophy of design inference, its methods are quite different. It is no more pure philosophy than it is religion.
74 posted on 06/17/2011 6:47:46 PM PDT by rob777
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To: MNJohnnie
"To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning"

But that is an arbitrary definition which assumes that all of reality can (and must) be empirically quantified - an assumption which can be proved using this very definition of science.

75 posted on 06/17/2011 6:49:42 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: rob777
Where does it make any mention that she supports a "young earth" theory?

Change over a long period of time, hundreds of millions of years is the evidence that supports geological, paleontological and evolutionary theories. I have never heard the I.D. crowd promoting anything but a young earth where everything has come and gone in the past 10,000 years.

Are you suggesting she believes the earth is more than 4 billion years old? And, that dinosaurs lived hundreds of millions of years ago? Or, do you think she believes in a young earth that is about 10,000 years old where creatures spontaneously appear and disappear without any genetic connection through evolution?

76 posted on 06/17/2011 6:49:44 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: circlecity
"an assumption which can be proved using this very definition of science."

can= cannot (typo)

77 posted on 06/17/2011 6:50:37 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: freedumb2003

So philosophy should not be taught in school?


78 posted on 06/17/2011 6:51:39 PM PDT by ngat
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To: saganite
"Sorry, there are no experiments relating to ID that confirm or even suggest the theory has scientific grounding"


The science of design detection is already a recognized body of science. ID simply takes that science apples it to understanding the origins of the universe because it better explains the results of numerous experiments and observations.
79 posted on 06/17/2011 6:53:31 PM PDT by rob777
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To: bwc2221

I enjoyed your “FR is not the place for bashing Republicans (unless it’s Sarah Palin)” spiel on the previous thread.

Talk about hypocrisy!
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It’s almost funny how transparently hypocritical they are.


80 posted on 06/17/2011 6:53:34 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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