Skip to comments.God Love You, God Bless You, and Good-Bye. (Statement from Father Corapi: leaving the priesthood)
Posted on 06/17/2011 6:11:52 PM PDT by Yossarian
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Thank You for not choosing Catholicism or Christianity for that matter.
do you actually know what idolatry is?
someone who loves listening to and is inspired by anyone whether Corapi, Hinn or Swaggart is NOT idolatrous.
you need to buy a clue.
Speak for yourself.
From my point of view, and experience, I will state that at least one priest—a Father S.R., whom I know personally—was forced to leave the Church. He hung up his cassock and beret, NOT because he did anything contrary to the Catholic Faith or else violated Cannon Law—but rather because he was a TRADITIONAL priest.
During his priesthood, Father S.R. realized that the Modern Church is in the throws of “Revolution”—and all but consumed by the heresy of Modernism. The liberal PC bull crap, which now substitutes for sound doctrine, creates lukewarm cowards out of once-fervent Catholics. Its Protestant-based liturgy cripples the faithful with a touchy-feely gospel, a constant diet of psycho babble encyclicals, a false and disabling ecumenism that disavows conversion—and a putrid dose of Marxist “liberation theology.”
This priest was dedicated to the pre-1962 Tridentine Mass and Brevery. He was faithful and well-liked. However, the then Bishop of Lincoln, F.B., while feigning an “conditional acceptance” of the “old” right, did act hostile to traditionalist Catholics at every opportunity, including—in violation of Cannon Law—invoking an illegitimate ex-communication upon traditionalists groups.
While Bishop F.B. did allow this Father S.R. to pray the Tridentine Mass, he did so only on condition that the Norvus Ordo and Vatican II were both upheld as legitimate, so as not to “create division among the faithful.”
However, the double-minded approach lasted but a few years, until our priest realized he could no longer hold to such duplicity. His principled mind could not indefinitely sustain the glaring contradiction of living in two worlds—Catholic Tradition vs Secular Modernism. He could not tolerate the “spiritual voyeurism” of praying the Mass while facing the people—nor could he any longer suffer the “barrenness” of the New Mass. As I would often say to him: “Father, you cannot ride two horses with one ass.”
In the end, and to our great sadness, Father S.R. left the priesthood. The irony is that he was fond of saying that the Traditional Mass “saved his priesthood,” else he would have left long before.
It is my contention that modernist Rome despises Tradition—and traditional priests. They would like to sweep under the rug 2000 years of Church history and the constant teaching of the pre-Vatican II popes. It is also my belief that the power brokers within the Vatican labor tirelessly to undermine and emasculate the priesthood, and destroy the Catholic faith by degrees.
It is tragic and a bitter outrage that faithful Catholics have been made to wander more than 40 years in this lifeless ecumenical desert of liberal heresy, and with no end in sight, despite Vatican propaganda to the contrary.
I am of the strong opinion that as long as Vatican II stands intact, and the True Mass—the Mass of all time—is falsely alleged to be “optional” rather than obligatory, then we will continue to lose good priests, faithful Catholics, and the opportunity to save souls. (Read Quo Primum, Pope Saint Pius V) http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/E032_QuoPrimum.htm
This thread should never have been in the news section to begin with so why are you bothering me!
And BTW, I'm more than the modern day so-called "Christian". I'm a Roman Catholic!
Go back to the religious section and convince each other that you can be as depraved as you want to be in life, but at the moment of death if your 'soul is in the right place' then you can reap the rewards of life ever lasting in heaven.
Sounds like an entitlement program.
With all due respect, you are painting with a rather broad brush.
Why? The Church, and the people who run it, are worldly entities. Corapi is following the same voice which led him to the priesthood in the first place.
Frankly, I'm glad he no longer has to be an apologist for the Catholic Church's corruption and inscrutable policies. No more will he be required to defend the indefensible.
I am of the strong opinion that as long as Vatican II stands intact, and the True Massthe Mass of all timeis falsely alleged to be optional rather than obligatory, then we will continue to lose good priests, faithful Catholics, and the opportunity to save souls.
Well said, but I'll go you one further, and say that, in my opinion, Vatican II, and the havoc it wreaked, are mostly to blame for the decline of morals in our society. Once-faithful Catholics fell away from the Church and lost their way in the trackless wilderness, and everyone who had once relied on their guidance was influenced for the worse. This ripple effect spread to society as a whole, until all constraints on behavior were lost. The damage done by Vatican II is incalculable and irreparable.
Allow me to provide a glimmer of hope for your consideration ...
I am a member of an SSPX Church, located in Watkins Colorado. Like many of the Traditionalist Churches, it has steadily grown. More importantly, and as the general rule, these traditional Catholics have very large families—6 and 8 children, and sometimes more! Think about that for a moment ... An exponential growth in the number of Strong-willed traditional Catholics, having the virtue of unshakable FAITH and MODESTY.
Also, you may want to visit Saint Mary’s Kansas — a fairly large community, and most of the town is Traditional Catholic.
Consider Matthew 20:1-15 or the thief on the cross...
Wanna play dueling Bible verses?
Bipolar at best? Maybe, but I think I'm more pissed off than anything else!
Oh BTW, I don't hate the church, just the sanctimonious jerks that infest it.
“...if he had worked for G.M. would you forever drive a Ford?”
Cut the man some slack. If this happened to you, what would you do and how would you react? And if the transgressor was the local public face of G.M., it would be indeed to be expected that Ford’s business would skyrocket with the G.M. rep’s transgressions in the community. In this case it was far worse, as you can imagine.
The responsibilities of a priest are far greater, requiring not just an employment contract, but a vow to God, and there’s no higher judge. Even without a scandal, far from the case here, priests renouncing their vows were not to live within a specified radius of their former parishes, something like 50 miles, if memory serves.
Forgiveness can’t be demanded, especially third-hand. And the one category of people that can’t be humanly forgiven are the unrepentant, as far as I know. I got the impression that this former priest and ex-wife weren’t repentant.
I've considered many things over the course of my life grey whiskers and after being shot at, missiled at, IED at, laughed at, and spat at, let me tell you what I personally think about mankind. We're simply not worth it. It kind of makes this whole argument rather mute, doesn't it?
In my judgment, Father Corapi is getting the short end of the stick here.
At the end of the day, the tragedy is going to be that the Catholic Church is going to lose what is by all accounts a fine, decent man and wonderful Priest. That the Church would so willingly and blindly throw this good man out knowing there's a terrible shortage of good Priests and Church Leadership just makes this worse.
The Church has known full well for years now that there are fewer men entering the Priesthood than there are leaving it. One would think they'd do their level best to keep the good ones rather than showing them the door.
I am sorry that happened to you. That is a very hurtful incident to overcome.
But I pray that the bitterness your wife planted within your heart leave you and be replaced with Jesus’ love and mercy.
I was praying recently and heard this: Don’t take the dark offenses of others and use it against yourself by holding it tight inside (resentment and bitterness). Surrender the hurt over to Jesus and let Him remove it from you. I pray you will be released from the evil that was committed against you and that you walk free, Richard.
Our priest put in an etched glass door on the Confessional.
A shame but something isd amiss. He would not be the only fine preacher who fell from grace. Saw him in San Antonio only last August.
A strange reaction, can’t think of a similar case.
The liberals will stop at nothing. It took them a couple of decades but they got Fr Corapi. God help us all.
You and I will never know what was in Ted Kennedy’s heart or in the heart of the priests who heard his confessions.
All we know are three things:
1. The priest and the man are human.
2. God is perfect, and loves us all, even though we are not perfect.
3. God sacrificed His only Son to wipe away all sins.
Ted Kennedy’s sin.
Jesus’ sacrifice was perfect. There is no sin it cannot wipe away if the sinner is contrite.
It is wrong of us to say that because so-and-so wasn’t kicked out, you don’t have to return to the Church. God didn’t say “All sin except for Ted Kennedy’s”. God is bigger than that. His sacrifice was eternal and unending. He has room for all of us.
I will pray for you to have a change of heart. The whole Church would love to welcome you back. God wants nothing more than to see you accept His Son’s perfect sacrifice.
Prayers for you!
What is that phrase: You must die to yourself and then come follow Jesus?
I never liked Corapi. He talked good, but always had a smirk on his face that disturbed me.
As for his complaints: Well, if they aren't following the strict canon law regulations, as he claims, he can appeal to the Vatican.
But this might take months or years, and I guess he thinks he's too important to the world to bother to go through a full examination.
For those of you who are upset about all this, I remind you what Paul said when some of his followers were fighting with those who followed another preacher: Are you following Paul or Jesus? Did Paul (or Corapi) die to save you from your sins?
“Ruffatto alleges that the priests accuser is a former employee who, after losing her job with this office, physically assaulted her and another employee, and promised to destroy Father Corapi.”
Mebbe I’m just iggernunt, but I didn’t see here where he said he’s leaving the priesthood. He’s suspended with an investigation to come.
BTW, did you ever find the Snowdens of yesteryear?
Fr. Euteneuer of Priests for life, are you sure you have the right name?
Never mind found it.
All I can say is WOW
“let me tell you what I personally think about mankind. We’re simply not worth it.”
Know any children? Look in their eyes and tell them they’re not worth it. If you’re so bitter that you could actually do it, then you need mental help. If you blather on like you do, then you need to stop being such a self-absorbed grandstander.
Reason - In Chicago there's a very *infamous* parish priest named Father Pfleger, at St Sabina's Church. He's been there over 20 years (that's against the rules) and he has broken almost every other rule in the book, like getting arrested, and THREATENING SOMEONE'S LIFE -- and worse as far as The Church goes (IMMO), openly thumbed his nose at direct orders from the Cardinal, whose also the Archbishop of Chicago, Cardinal Francis George.
To boot Father Pfleger 'has preached' at Obama's old Chicago 'church' where that anti-American, Anti-Semitic, Anti-White, 'Rev' Jeremiah Wright spewed his bile. Yet. Father Pfleger remained at St Sabina's.
Only recently has the Cardinal said enough is enough, you have to be reassigned to a new parish due to the Church's rules and that's that, but Pfleger is STILL there. Yet this priest, Father Corapi, gets the boot OUT OF THE PRIESTHOOD in relative light speed based on *evidence* he can't even see.
Something is very wrong (head shaking).
His Church will shed the unfaithful and The Church will be stronger for it. Catholics in this country became obsessed with being accepted by the Protestant majority, the hierarchy most obsessed of all. A great many priests and bishops left The Church a long time ago but remained in their positions nonetheless rather than bothering to physically leave. They deliberately and with malice aforethought distorted and subverted Vatican II as their vehicle to try and make the Catholic Church into just another Protestant denomination.
Christ will fix The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church in this country. The Church, however, will not be spared a share of the punishment this whole nation deserves nor will it be spared the punishment those who have abandoned His Church to follow another gospel have earned for themselves by adopting and basking in Sola Yourselfa or other doctrines they've adopted rather than remaining faithful to His Church. That Jesus Christ will wait until stubborn and headstrong humans are convinced all is lost and therefore will have to admit that it took a miracle to turn the Church around is no surprise to me.
Rest assured, He has..I am now married to the love of my life..It sounded bitter when I spoke it, but it is not. I just stated the facts. My reason for sharing this was that some think that a priest should get a free pass—he should not. He should be judged like the rest of us.
I had a chance to see him last year when he came to our area. I wish I had done so, but other obligations prevented me from doing so. Drat!
I think Father Corapi is outstanding and I wish him well. He had the fire and conviction of St. Paul.
Whoa to those in power who are corrupt. God will deal with them in his own time and way. I don't envy any of these who seek to destroy in God's name.
Thanks for the information.
In my judgment, Father Corapi is getting the short end of the stick here. Anyone else?Yikes is all I can say. Notice how "John" makes no mention of Mary ...
I’m bothered by his rather rash decision also. It reminds me of corrupt politicians who rail against the system after being convicted of misdeeds in office. Many saints have been accused, yet remained silent. St. John Vianney was once accused of impregnating a young woman, yet he remained silent and followed Christ’s example. The good Cure d’Ars was exonerated.
Father Corapi had done good work, but he has allowed Satan to take down his ministry. Sad, really...
Second, you are right Condor! There is an interesting thing going on. I don't know if Corapi is guilty or not, but if he was like Pfleger and attacking the conservatives no one would say anything.
It is funny how often when some one is on the liberal side, the bishops say how powerless they are. Yet when it is on the other side, the hammer comes down quickly.
The US Catholic church has issues. And it will take generations, if ever, to fix.
Sadly, just about all the churches and synods in the US are facing similar things. The LCMS is fighting a rear guard action, and the Southern Baptists will go gay soon.
The part that disturbed me as I read through Corapi's account is that the Bishop of Corpus Christi forced this on the order and the order couldn't get answers either (the bishop's CV doesn't give many answers on that quarter either other than he was in Rome under Paul VI). There's something fundamentally wrong with the system if this is the case. We have zero idea what is happening behind the scenes. IMO, Corapi is giving up way too fast and may well have needed a break from his public schedule, but to not be able to get answers? Even Christ gave answers to those he knew were sinners. That is simple Christian charity and the bishops are not demonstrating that in any way.
“St. John Vianney was once accused of impregnating a young woman, yet he remained silent and followed Christs example.”
Why does the Church employ lawyers (canon and secular) if self-defense is considered unsaintly?
Don’t get me wrong. I’m a Roman Catholic. And no matter what scoundrels get themselves appointed bishop, I hope that, like St. Joan, I would die saying “Jesus is the Church and the Church is Jesus.” I.e., the Church is how Jesus has chosen to remain in the world until He comes again.
Yes. It’s just that we do Him so many injustices that it gets discouraging.
For about a year my FReep tag line was “If false accusation wasn’t a big problem it wouldn’t be in the Ten Commandments”.
Christendom—not only the RCC—is in need of serious remedial catechesis in the Eighth Commandment.
Those who falsely accuse should be subject to penalties as harsh as what they sought to bring against an innocent victim.
Remember, though, that according to Revelation 12 “the ACCUSER of our bretheren has been cast out”. The day will come when his little helpers will also be cast out into the lake of fire.
Isaiah 53:8 Though he was harshly treated, he submitted and opened not his mouth; Like a lamb led to the slaughter or a sheep before the shearers, he was silent and opened not his mouth.
Oppressed and condemned, he was taken away, and who would have thought any more of his destiny? When he was cut off from the land of the living, and smitten for the sin of his people,
A grave was assigned him among the wicked and a burial place with evildoers, Though he had done no wrong nor spoken any falsehood.
I would suggest going to youtube and listening to Father Corapi’s talks.
He always stressed his human frailty and pointed to Christ and the Truth and Answer.
This is a loss for all Christians, not just Catholics. Many of my Protestant friends admired Corapi.
I was reading a thread about the same issue in the Religion forum, and did not see them mentioned
I did not read the whole thread over there because I wanted to see the responses to the article with out the censorship of a caucus thread so I came to this one.
A very sad situation.
It is very similar to the dems mantra that it doesn't matter if the accusations are true or not, it's the severity of the charges.
And act out of ignorance of the truth and in the process destroy someone in a very unfair manner.
It is saddening to see the Catholic church use the same tactics to tar a feather someone who is apparently innocent and has no chance in that strict one sided venue to state their case.
He seems to have made the right choice in his responses imo.
“Why doesn’t Father Corapi remain obedient to the Church and her processes, rather than publicly attack them and launch his new commercial venture?”
He may be innocent or he may be guilty - no way of knowing. But if his description of this “process” is accurate, it seems unfair, arbitrary and skewed in favor of accusers. And if it is systemic, perhaps in bringing this to light he’s performing a service to the Church and his fellow priests.
“I am troubled by the choices he has made”
Yes, it’s disheartening.
¨...I know you haven´t the best of breaks since you got back, but it seems to me you ought to stick here, and fight it out on your own home ground a little longer....¨
I am relieved to learn that your anger is not an festering injury in your heart; rather an outrage at all injustice such as you experienced.
You are right that church officials are not above moral or civil law and Catholics should support the church’s duty to investigate the claims of victims. It is a given that the investigative process will be painful and claimed to be unjust, by the accused. It seems few trust the integrity of the investigators. Conservative priests are just as open to temptation as are liberal priests. I hope the process used in the church to investigate claims against church officials is just to the accusers and the accused.
Are church officials turning all criminal cases, as they are reported, over to civil authorities for investigation now?
I listened to Fr. Corapi on one the two local Catholic radio stations. I learn a lot from those stations.
I liked Fr. Corapi very much. I also like Fr. E. I just learned not to idolize any man.