Jewish Dems losing faith in Obama

Politico ^ | 06/29/11 | Ben Smith

[justiceseeker93]

Wasserman Schultz and other top Democrats:

"Military cooperation [with Israel] is at an all-time high. Obama has supplied Israel with a key missile defense system. The U. S. boycotted an anti-racism conference seen as anti-Israel. America is set to spend valuable international political capital beating back a Palestinian independence declaration at the United Nations in September."

Can someone please try to separate fact from fiction in these four statements? I honestly don't know how much is true and how much is spin.

[justiceseeker93]

Way too many [Jews] are at the Vanguard of destroying EVERYTHING I value in our culture through their institutional and economic and political power.

Sounds like you are exaggerating the extent of Jewish economic and political power, and stereotyping as well. Even if all Jews were leftists, which is certainly not the case, there aren't enough total Jews in the country (less than 2% of the population) to have the combined "institutional and economic and political power" to destroy the culture in and of themselves. Surely the vast majority of Obamatons are not Jewish.

As for your charts on Jewish voting, you link to, of all places, to the National Jewish Democratic Council web site, which cites data obtained from the New York Slimes polling. While I'll admit that majorities of Jews usually vote 'Rat, I'd add that the skewed polling techniques used to arrive at those numbers overestimated the 'Rat vote by several points and underestimated the GOP vote by several points. (Poll results tend to be fudged in the direction the poll taker would wish them to be.)

The GOP best with [Jews] after Camp David in 1980 was still only 34%.

Even according to the Democrat-produced table you linked to, it was 39% for Reagan in 1980.

BTW, even according to 'Rat sources, Warren Harding won a plurality of Jewish votes in 1920.

Before the Jews "got here in post bellum waves," mostly from eastern Europe, the majority of Jews in the US were of German extraction, and that cohort voted majority Republican out of respect for the legacy of Lincoln. (I don't think you'd appreciate that as a "Confederate," but it is what it is.)

[Mr. Mojo]

a recent dinner with his wife and two other couples — all Obama voters in 2008 — nearly turned into a screaming match. .....another, who swore he wasn’t getting his information from the mutually despised Fox News,

I can just hear that conversation:

"You've been watching Hannity and Beck, haven't you??!!"

"No, I swear I haven't!! One doesn't need to watch Fox to know that Obama is throwing Israel under the bus."

"I don't believe you. What's next, are you going to draw me diagrams of Obama's jihadist connections on a big chalkboard? I know a Fox-lover when I hear one!"

[PRePublic]

I admire their courage, since they will get into hot water now from their other lib. “friends.”

[juliej]

I love that, “Betsy Sheer, from a pro choice group” - I don’t consider her Jewish - if you love Judaism, you are pro life. Jews who support abortion have turned away from G-d.

[juliej]

My son, who is Jewish, just registered Republican at age 18! Good for him - he gets it.

[pabianice]

Let me give you the view of me and my (Jewish) family, 95% of whom were stupid enough to vote for Obama in 2008.

Obama is a closet Muslim who won’t even be seen in front of the American Flag at press conferences. He hates Israel and wants it destroyed for his Muslim Brotherhood (which he just officially recognized this week.) He tolerates rich Liberal Jews for their dumbass financial contributions to him even as he laughs at them in private. He fooled us in 2008 but not again. He needs to be sent back to Chicago in impotent disgrace. His Bride is one big nightmare, from her clothes to her friends to her fat ass (while demanding WE diet) to her 200 person entourage when she takes Air Force 2 on gilded vacations. When I asked a cousin how she felt about helping elect The One, she said, “I respectfully decline to answer on the grounds that it might make me look really stupid.”

That’s pretty much it. Of course, if the Republicans nominate a loser for 2012, well, they might hold their noses and vote for the devil they know.

[rmlew]

Most American Jews do not vote according to Israel. Nothing short of a candidate calling for the destruction of Israel would affect this, and even then easily 10% of Jews are antizionists.
Jews who voted against Carter did so for many reasons, just like everyone else. Israel was one reason, so was his foreign policy in general, and his mishandling of the economy.

Polls on Jewish voting tend to ignore Jews who don't live in major metro areas, and a select one at that. in other words 20-30% of Jews are not counted.

[rmlew]

"Military cooperation [with Israel] is at an all-time high.
You mean refusing to sell Israel certain weapons is co-operation?
The U. S. boycotted an anti-racism conference seen as anti-Israel.
We did not vote against it being organized. And it is as anti-American as it is anti-Israel.
America is set to spend valuable international political capital beating back a Palestinian independence declaration at the United Nations in September
And so should anyone who does not want tens of thousands of Palestinians and other Arabs dead in a general war. The price of this is Obama calling for Israel to voluntarily give up all the disputed land before negotiating.

[Mr. Mojo]

I know many liberal Jews...scores...believe me..they are of this mindset that cultural...Christian based..conservatism is as big or bigger [threat] than Islam

Sadly true. No group frightens liberal Jews quite like Christian cultural conservatives. It's an irrational fear, considering that the strong Christian cultural influence on American life since our nation's inception hardly impeded the development of Jewish life in the U.S. In fact, it made us the friendliest nation to Jews in history. They essentially fear for their secular leftist causes -- causes that have become their de facto religion. And abortion tops the list.

I know quite a few Dem-voting Jews who are moderate to conservative on many important issues -- guns, taxes, spending, national defense, borders, etc. I always ask "then why the heck do you vote Donkey?" After a bunch of hemming and hawing, the answer invariably flies out of their pieholes --- "abortion.....and gay/minority rights." So it follows that they view social conservatives (most of whom happen to be Christians) as their main political opposition. But of course this is the point of view of all liberals, not just Jewish ones.

Secular Jews hate and fear Torah Judaism as well, which makes sense considering its antagonism to pretty much everything they believe and how they define themselves. You should hear the venom they spew at the West Bank Jewish settlers -- worse than anything I've heard directed at evangelicals. They wouldn't mind seeing them eradicated. ...permanently. By jihadis. Sumbitches. I have a hard time restraining myself from issuing serious (physical) beatdowns after hearing that shiite.

The last thing lib Jews want to hear is the truth --- that the vast majority of rabid anti-Semitism in our country resides on their beloved political Left. Some of the more honest ones grudgingly admit that truth, and it causes them a lot of painful cognitive dissonance.

Btw, rmlew is correct about the pollsters' concentration on Jewish voters in the liberal big cities. So the #s are probably somewhat skewed.

[Eleutheria5]

Translation: Jewish voters still have faith in Obama.

I know someone who works here in immigration, and she tells me that there is a flood of Americans applying now. So I guess they won’t be Jewish voters in US elections for long. Problem solved:-(

[familyop]

"Better a skin head than a dick-head like you, dude."

You represent your kind perfectly, skin head, and that's not the American kind.

Most Americans Support Right of Jews to Live and Build in Judea-Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/927783/posts
June 10, 2003
"By a margin of nearly five to one, Americans oppose the Bush administration's demand to halt all further Jewish construction in Judea-Samaria (the West Bank) and Gaza . . . The poll, carried out by John McLaughlin & Associates, surveyed a scientific sample of 1,000 American adults on May 21, 2003.

[familyop]

We’re aware that neo-Nazis are socialists who only pretend to be conservative while recruiting more retards.

[justiceseeker93]

When I asked a cousin how she felt about helping elect The One, she said, "I respectfully decline to answer on the grounds that it might make me look really stupid."

That would sound funny, if not for the serious problems her stupidity and that of millions like her caused. Hopefully, your Jewish relatives and millions more won't make the same mistake again.

[familyop]

"From this Jewish pro-Israel perspective, the Bachmann videos on Israel were superb!"

Thank you. Her speeches have also indicated strong inclinations toward moral foreign relations considerations and not so much pecuniary affiliations with foreign adversaries. It has recently (for decades) appeared that global trade concerns are further opposing better loyalties and honest national security.

Our nations are turning more against Israel in favor of perceived opportunities for more wealth for oligarchs. At the same time, our western culture nations are getting poorer. Overall, a trend of continuing dishonest pride bringing failures and resulting in ever more unreasonable anger and displaced blame.

...brings to mind the rebellious behaviors of an ancient Pharaoh.

[Eleutheria5]

I think they’re referring to the Iron Dome system, which the US helped Israel develop, but that’s not “supplying” unless you totally discount the teamwork involved. It was Israeli scientists and military personnel doing the hard work.

[upsdriver]

Fool me 5000 times, shame on you... fool me 5001 times shame on me. At least there is a number out there somewhere that opens a few Jews’ eyes.

[justiceseeker93]

So I guess they won't be Jewish voters in US elections for long.

First of all, I thought that most of them would be dual citizens. And the general tendency those emigrating to Israel would probably be toward the Republicans, as the Americans in Israel voted by about three to one for McCain vs. Obama in 2008.

[Gaffer]

The Jews of the Holocaust you are thinking of are a far different breed than the American Jew. In fact, there is virtually no connection between the true inheritors of the Holocaust experience, Israelis, and the American Jew.

The American Jew, for the most part, uses the Holocaust connection to their professed religion as a convenience of argument and validation for whatever liberal screed they want to put forth. The American Jew will still vote for Democrats, and thus OBAMA in supermajority numbers. They cannot help but do it. Wondering why they do this should not be connected at all with confusion about the Holocaust and persecution, etc. and how illogical it is. They are liberals, and avid liberals at that for the most part. They will remain this way.

[blasater1960]

Sadly true. No group frightens liberal Jews quite like Christian cultural conservatives. It's an irrational fear, considering that the strong Christian cultural influence on American life since our nation's inception hardly impeded the development of Jewish life in the U.S. In fact, it made us the friendliest nation to Jews in history.

It is true...but irrationality stemming from actual history. Christians dont like to hear it but the Jewish people have been kicked out of nearly every European country and murdered in pogroms, the inquisition and crusades...by Christians. The Jewish people have long memories. Look at Germany...the Jewish people had assimilated into German society, were accepted, yet look how things turned around relatively quickly.

The USA represents a relatively modern phenomenon of Christian philosemitism. For most of the 2000 years of exile, Christians have NOT been philosemitic.

If guys like wardaddy already harbor Jew hatred for opposing things he holds dear, what happens when the economic system totally collapses due to government-fed corruption and collaborators on wallstreet "Goldman" sachs, "Solomon" and other "Jewish" sounding companies and Jews in general will be blamed.

Then will Christians like wardaddy let their hatred of Jews go hot? Will Jews the get the boot, be persecuted? Here in the usa?.....I could easily see it. The current period we live in of philosemitism is tenous.