Posted on 06/29/2011 1:29:28 PM PDT by MissesBush
As for getting a clue, Jews after 2000 years of persecution tend to go with the party that loves them, at least at face value. They feel they have less of a chance of being burned at the stake being the perceived “nice guys”, than hanging around with right wingers.
While with a little understanding that is a false premise, your attitude, and quick biting turn on the guy that called you on your tude goes a long ways in convincing most Jews that they are right in suspecting the “Right wing”. Remember that Fascist's are called right winger in leftist school.
And Jews do tend to go to school... In short, if you want to really know the answer to your question, why the jews vote left, your behavior is your answer.
I agree with most of the other stuff you wrote, especially the likelihood of things getting ugly for Jews in particular as the economy degenerates. The eternal convenient scapegoat in every last economic downturn. But as ugly as it gets, I don't think it would ever even come close to approaching the ugliness of the pogroms and holocausts you mentioned that have occurred throughout history. ....European history, specifically.
First of all we have 2nd amendment -- we're well armed. (Well, some of us are, anyway ;) Plus we've been through this before during the Great Depression. Although anti-Semitism was at a higher level during the '30s than at any other time in American history, it was nothing like the Jew-hating sentiments in Europe. Not even close.
So yes, I have confidence that it won't happen here. But I'm armed and ready just in case it does.
I hate it also. Obama wants to go after the medical profession(many of whom are Jews), wants to demonize business people(big and small)(again many of whom are Jews) and they don’t care about that? It is sickening. There was a poll, at some point, with more Democrats blaming Jews about the current state of our economy and the response is to keep on voting Democrat.
Karl Marx was an Anti-semite, Hitler of course killed six million, Stalin was very Anti-semitic, FDR didn’t want to make WWII a “Jewish war”, and yet Jews vote Democrat/Liberal. I am Jewish, and I am a Conservative along with my parents. The biggest problem with the animosity that Liberals have for Jews is where to begin? It’s even more silly when one realizes that Jews are the only minority who votes for Democrats because of social interests.
I qualified all of my criticism with a hat tip to reasonable Jews from the Old South to the Levins of today...sorry that not enough.
My own slave owning ancestors get the regular criticism here with no qualification and the way I figure it Jews or anyone else acting badly can take the heat same as the rest of us.
Why would a Jew hater like me donate annually to JFPO or IDF veterans funds or work on 47th street and Ramat Gan with partners Goldhaber and Navarro and Schlapp and Applebaum mining and in the diamond /emerald trade all over the world for 15 years?
But think what you wish...given that I don’t know you or care what you think of me..fire away
Thanks man...tough room these days
I will be glad to eviscerate kumbaya liberal do gooder members of mine own tribe as equal time any time said poster would like
True enough, those that vote in US elections. I missed the mid-terms, though. Perhaps I was wrong to, but the hassle of going down to French Hill and spending another day there at the consulate registering for absentee voting and bringing the wife and little one was simply too much. That place is just bad news.
>> “Christians don’t like to hear it but the Jewish people have been kicked out of nearly every European country and murdered in pogroms, the inquisition and crusades...by Christians.” <<
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Utterly false!
At the white throne judgment, Christ will tell each and every one of them: “depart from me, I never knew you.”
They may have attended services in a building that called itself a church, but it was a lie.
All Christians obey Christ, and thus love his sheep.
The bottom line is different people interpret experiences and events differently. I know many who look at the Holocaust as a loss of civil rights for minority groups (Jews, Gays, Gypsies, and people with different political beliefs). Therefore they are reluctant to vote for a candidate who they believe will restrict rights they believe people are entitled to. Of course different people have different ideas about what those rights are.
I do think that fewer Jews will vote for Obama in 2012 than in 2008, but I have no idea if that means just staying home. What I am sure about is that voting Democrat had nothing to do with being self-hating or actively participating in their own persecution.
Whoppers don’t deserve a response, nor do the calumnies that are the raison d’etre for these threads.
Republicans that register as strongly Jacksonian are catnip to Freepers, but an anathema to wayward Democrat Jews.
Well, Obama is now opening up talks with the Taliban and the Islamic Brotherhood. He has told Israel to give up their land.
Every Jew who writes a check to Obama is helping.
Good points.
Without cause, of course.
But your statement does raise a question: If we "Jacksonians" were to take a position against a candidate because he was Jewish, we would be accused -- rightly -- of being anti-Semitic.
Wouldn't the obverse of that -- Jews standing against Perry because he was "Jacksonian" -- also be a form of bigotry?
I didn’t say it was wrong. I said it was helping.
There is no question, Obama is not a friend of Israel. I strongly suspect he is a Muslim.
And yes, I think Israel is resourceful enough to protect itself. I wish I could say that about this country.
Having just flown back from the west coast on a plane with a number of heavily veiled female Muslims and fairly fervent male Muslims I truly wish this country would take more of an interest in its own survival.
See my post 88 above as to one reason why some will still vote for Obama. I actually meant that your comment was ignorant (and offensive) in suggesting that Jews are self-haters who would willingly choose to become victims of another genocide.
Similar things happened under the Germans with the Judenrät (Jewish Councils) in the ghettos. These Jews collaborated with the Nazis. In the case of the Warsaw Ghetto, the German SS exterminated the Judenrat before the uprising of 19 April 1943. The collaborators could not understand why their masters were murdering them. Hadn't they complied with ever demand made by their Nazi masters — no matter how many of their fellow Jews were sent to their deaths?
That same pathology exists today and those so afflicted cannot understand that the Evil they so entrust with their support and faith could turn deadly against them. It matters not where these Jews live, they have chosen allegiance to the Dark Side and if successful, their master will turn and destroy them — along with hundreds of thousands of other innocents.
They are taught to view it that way. Just like they are taught that Nazis were nationalist, instead of the anti-nationalists that they were.
I don’t think I’m going to change your opinion on the Jews involvement in the Holocaust, but I would ask that you understand it comes across as hateful even though I’m sure that’s not your intention.
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