Posted on 07/05/2011 4:23:56 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
While the investigation continues into the U.S. operation that helped send thousands of guns south of the border, Mexican lawmakers say they'll press for extradition and prosecution in Mexico of American officials who authorized and ran the operation.
"I obviously feel violated. I feel my country's sovereignty was violated," Mexico Sen. Rene Arce Islas told Fox News. "They should be tried in the United States and the Mexican government should also demand that they also be tried in Mexico since the incidents took place here. There should be trials in both places."
Arce is chairman of Mexico's Commission for National Security, a congressional panel similar to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee.
His point of view is shared by many Mexican politicians, including Sen. Santiago Creel, a former Interior Minister and the likely presidential nominee next year of the National Action Party to succeed Felipe Calderone, also of PAN.
"I think we should at least try to prove that what happened in Mexico must be sanctioned by Mexican laws and under our sovereignty," Creel told us. "What can't happen is that this now ends on an administrative sanction, or a resignation. No, no, no. Human lives were lost here. A decision was made to carry out an operation that brought very high risk to human lives."
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PDF interfered in our freedom of movement exercises and regularly harassed our troops and citizens.
Then why was he in a Federal prison after the cessation of hostilities? Wasn't the war over?
Under Article 85 of the Third Geneva Convention, Noriega is still considered a prisoner of war, despite his conviction for acts committed prior to his capture by the "detaining power" (the United States). This status has meant that in Florida he had his own prison cell furnished with electronics and exercise equipment. His cell had been nicknamed "the presidential suite".
You're wrong. Just admit it and move on.
That's my advice to you. The difference between Noriega and Holder is monumental. Panama didn't extradite Noriega to us. We captured him. Mexico is free to issue warrants against our citizens and try them in abstentia for any crimes they believe our citizens committed but that doesn't mean we have to or should extradite said citizens.
Mexico doesn't have an official death penalty whereas Texas does. To the degree any of those crimes were commited in whole or in part in Texas then Texas would be forced to execute them both.
They have a much better chance with Mexico. They should start packing now. Get in while the getting is good.
Extradite Holder!
The ATF committed crimes against Mexico and nothing is being done about it on this side (US) of the border.
Actually we do have to. Here's a link to the US-Mexican Extradition Treaty.
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I have to agree with them, send them to rot in
Mexico.
I’d bet some of them would talk their heads of
to avoid that.
Extradite Holder and Zero? Where do I sign up to help?
Saturday, June 04, 2011 8:34:41 AM · 13 of 19 Deaf Smith to eyeamok " it is nothing but a dog and pony show." Easy enough. Give pertaining evidence of deaths in Mexico tied to the guns to the Mexican authorities. Let the Mexican government issue arrest warrants & extradition papers on the ATF agents. The ATF agents would turn on Holder & Hussein very quickly vs risking Mexican prisons.
...as it is their policies that caused the ATROCITY! I wish that word was used more, instead of "tragedy". Whenever it is a person that has committed a heinous act, the word ATROCITY should ALWAYS be used!
But you didn’t actually read that treaty, right? No, because if you did, you’d realize that there are certain restrictions on extradition between the U.S. and Mexico. Namely, we don’t have to extradite our own nationals (citizens). It’s up to us to decide if we will or not. Mexico does not extradite its citizens but agrees to prosecute them itself if appropriate. It’s called a jurisdictional restriction on extradition.
For all those on this thread who would so willingly turn over an American citzen to Mexico, you might want to apply that logic to yourself or your children and then decide if in that circumstance you’d want to be governed by the Constitution of the United States or by international law.
I cannot believe I’m having this discussion with any FReeper.
Yes, there is. It's called protecting our sovereignty. We're not bound by extradition treaties to extradite our own nationals and we shouldn't set a precedent by doing so in this case. The U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. Our citizens are protected by and have rights under it.
Hatred or dislike of the individuals involved is clouding your good judgment as an American citizen and as a conservative who respects the Constitution.
But have you pointed out that we aren’t bound by that treaty to extradite our own citizens to Mexico and that Mexico does not extradite its citizens to us because Mexican law does not allow it?
Our citizens have rights and protections under the Constitution. I can’t believe you’d so easily dismiss the Constitution and our sovereignty by turning over our citizens for prosecution in Mexico. We have jurisdiction over our own citizens.
Frankly, as long as we have an extradition treaty with Mexico our sovereignty is protected.
I say SEND THEM!
BTW, we have procedures for replacing Presidents and other officers. No sweat. Big country. Many choices.
Europe does that too.
We could, of course, get them to change their law first ~ and there are ways aren't there
You have to realize that at some point the "birther" scandal has to intersect the "gunwalker" scandal, and that appears to be in front of a Mexican court!
It's so poetic ~
BTW, there’s no “hatred” in my proposal. if you’ll re-read it closely you’ll see that I recommended that Holder and Obama pack their bags and go there ON THEIR OWN because Mexico doesn’t have an official death penalty.
It is up to Mexico to begin extradition proceedings. No, the US does not just hand over citizens and I did not advocate that. The proceedings are a long, drawn out process that can bring to public more evidence of crimes committed on both sides of the border.
If Mexico were to begin the extradition process, the seriousness (series) of the crimes might be able to make the MSM news every night as Watergate did.
I believe that Fast & Furious is what president Hussein meant when he said that he had *Under the table gun control in the works.
My post #52 is not related to the death penalty. It’s about jurisdictional restrictions on extradition. Mexican law does not allow Mexico to extradite its own citizens. They agree to prosecute their citizens themselves if it’s appropriate to do so, but they won’t extradite them. Likewise, our Executive decides whether or not it will extradite an American citizen to Mexico. Those are stipulations in our treaty with Mexico unrelated to the death penalty.
I realize that Obama and Holder have little use for our sovereignty as a nation. They’d love to see us acquiesce to international law, but I am against extraditing Obama or Holder to any foreign country to be prosecuted. It sets a very bad precedent.
The next step would be indictments of and extradition requests for Bush, Cheney, et al. from other countries for “war crimes.” Future administrations would not govern as they should if they must fear being extradited to foreign countries. There’s no good that can come from such a decision.
I’d love to see poetic justice for Obama, but not at the expense of our Constitutional rights as citizens. I despise that Marxist POS, but he’s the sitting POTUS. Same goes for Holder as the USAG. We simply cannot allow it.
I realize that Obama and Holder have little use for our sovereignty as a nation. They’d love to see us acquiesce to international law, but I am against extraditing Obama or Holder to any foreign country to be prosecuted. It sets a very bad precedent.
The next step would be indictments of and extradition requests for Bush, Cheney, et al. from other countries for “war crimes.” Future administrations would not govern as they should if they must fear being extradited to foreign countries. There’s no good that can come from such a decision.
I’d love to see poetic justice for Obama, but not at the expense of our Constitutional rights as citizens. I despise that Marxist POS, but he’s the sitting POTUS. Same goes for Holder as the USAG. We simply cannot allow it.
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