Posted on 07/07/2011 6:07:34 AM PDT by tutstar
A small town in Arizona is suddenly a YouTube sensation after a town-hall meeting devolved into a physical clash as a woman was forcibly removed from speaking during the public portion of the event.
Jennifer "Jade" Jones, 45, of Quartzsite, Ariz., was taken into custody by local police at the behest of Quartzsite councilmembers, over the objections of the mayor, who pleaded with officers not to remove the woman.
Read more: 'Nazi' police 'kidnap' woman at town hall http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=319501#ixzz1RQYThE6K
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Shoot to disable is absolutely the most ludicrous idea the liberals have ever come up with and that's one thing that's actually agreed upon by 99% of FReepers.
The big caveat there is that if you don’t remove the bad apples from the barrel, the rot spreads.
Police, military, even civilian weapons carriers...
It’s always “shoot to stop”. In most situations, you aim center mass and keep firing until the threat ceases. “Safety drill” is two to center mass, one to the head.
Might look cool in the movies shooting a knife out of someones hands or shooting them in a foot... Reality isn’t TV though.
Agree.
Agree.
Perhaps instead of using the acronym, NAZI, we should use the actual words, National Socialist.
Two to the center of visible mass and repeat if the threat still continues to be a threat. NO Coup de Grace to the head.
Actually - I think you are incorrect for one real simple reason. The Mayor was the controlling authority for the meeting and he gave her the floor. He says so! He told the griping council member that HE was out of order, not the lady speaking. So - even though she WAS essentially giving a speech instead of addressing the council, it didn’t mater.
It comes down to this being the most flagrant violation of someone’s first amendment rights I’ve ever seen.
First - it is the very definition of political speech. She is talking to her elected representatives in a forum set up for that where SHE was the recognized speaker on the floor. Police came in and deprived her of the ability to speak. QED.
Second - the police didn’t like what this person had been saying previously, and she was hauled off even though the controlling authority within the meeting said otherwise. That is demonstration of a the Police depts real motives.
In my mind this gal has QUITE the case.
I’ll give you points for mentioning how it should have been handled though. Most council meetings I’ve attended set up rules exactly like you mention. There is usually another rule saying that you address the comments to the council. If the ruling authority of the meeting observes that you’re speachifying - that would be reason to remove your holding the floor - but that didn’t happen here!
Dear lord, talk about missing the damn point.
I quoted wikipedia to point out that Godwin’s Law is actually a thing, not as an explanation as to why you shouldn’t do it. That should have been obvious. I could have just as well told you to Google it.
Liberal idiots call people they don’t like “Nazis”. No point in aping their moronic behavior.
Legally, Kidnapping does not require the person be held for nefarious purposes just any purpose (like preventing them from speaking at a town meeting). False arrest is another obvious charge as is deprivation of rights under the color of law, and assault and battery.
Good point but doesn’t matter. The Mayor is heard to say “I have control of this meeting.” So even if there were a City Manager - they weren’t officially in control of the meeting. That would be “Da Mayor.”
Extremely disturbing. Sounds (and looks) like these people definitely need to be taken down several notches. The article indicates that the Mayor believes he has found some problems with the finances of the town. He also mentioned that the council has ‘precluded’ him from reviewing the city payroll. He also indicated that he’s turned in things to the FBI. He needs to call the state auditor and request a full audit of the town’s finances and their usage of federal funds.
And Ms Jones, hopefully will sue the bastards; personally. Absolutely outrageous. See what we are up against? These little tyrants must be taken down; they are like cockroaches and they are everywhere!
I should clarify that since it came out worse than I intended - I didn’t mean you are aping their moronic behavior, just that as conservatives we should aim to be better and more concise. ;-) And for the record, I agree - those cops are detestable.
Here we go again. Your statement should always be followed by ‘IN MY OPINION’. Who appointed you to be the thought police and patrol these threads jumping on people who do not measure up to your notions of thought assimilation?! Get off your high horse for crying loud. This naturally is in my own opinion regarding you and your OPINION about me. My opinion is as valuable as your own biased opinion is to you. Grow up child and get over yourself!!
I’m not the one throwing the little temper-tanrum on a thread full of strangers because someone I don’t even know said something I didn’t like.
Care to reconsider who is being childish? Or perhaps we got off on the wrong foot here?
While this was a local town meeting the same principle applies. As Texas Fossil says of his experience on a city council of a similar town "Government with the consent of the citizens is what we are about."
You, MB26, object that the audience cannot conduct city business, but the council can. While it is true that the council conducts city business, it is untrue that the "audience" does not.
First off it is NOT a mere audience. It is the citizens and other interested parties. All do or can conduct business with the city offices and authorities under the direct mastery of the council. Every permit, every appearance before a hearing board, every time a citizen complies with or disregards a city ordinance that too is city business.
These meetings and the public business in them are required to be PUBLIC for good reason, and not as some spectacle of the operation of a court royal for an audience of lessors to sit sniffing at.
Moreover those citizens have a direct interest in council actions and a duty to perform oversight and corrections on the council. The scope of such oversight is broad, the duty and mechanisms of correction do NOT start and end at the elections every few years, they are continual. At any time citizens can hold officials to official account for misfeasance and malfeasance. They can file charges, they can initiate suits, they can request official investigations, they can usually perform some sort of actionable petition -- for recall, for referendum.
Please get you mind right on these important duties of American citizens, citizen!
A remote possibility. Look, I'm moving on as nothing good will come from bickering no matter who is doing it or who thinks they are right in whatever sense. I'll just reserve my right here to agree to disagree. There are too many other more important issues to worry about such as getting Dick Obama out of our WH. I would hope that you agree?
So you throw out any judgement you might have and shoot center mass of a man all alone in a house who has a knife, not a gun? Training is a wonderful thing. Good judgement is much more valuable.
Maybe we should give cops tranquilizer guns and have the fish cops shoot the nuisance bears and kill them since there are way too many incorrigible nuisance bears anyway. We give much more deference to animals in this country today than we do to people. There is unbridled outrage when somebody drowns a cat but nary a whimper when thousands of unborn babies are legally put to death every day.
100% agreed on all points. And maybe I was a bit out of line - I do that sometimes when I post in a hurry (busy morning).
No hard feelings, I hope.
Wow, that was quite a tangent. I’ll address only one of your points. In a perfect world we are taught to isolate and contain the crazies until a specialized rescue unit gets there. However, if they are threatening someone directly with a knife and refuse to drop it, bang bang.
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