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Incandescent-bulb “ban” repeal heading for defeat?
Hotair ^ | 07/12/2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 07/12/2011 11:54:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Republicans have introduced a repeal of federal lightbulb standards in the House, which effectively ban older-style incandescent bulbs, but Democrats in the chamber have begun uniting to defeat it. Thanks to the way the bill made it to the floor, it needs a 2/3rds majority to pass — and that looks doubtful at best:

House Democrats on Monday indicated strong opposition to a controversial bill to repeal federal lightbulb standards, which could lead to the defeat of the measure in an expected Tuesday vote.

The Better Use of Light Bulbs Act, H.R. 2417 would end federal bulb standards passed in 2007 that Republicans have since held up as a prime example of federal overreach. House Republicans brought up the bill under a suspension of the rules, which requires two-thirds of voting members to support it.

That means even though a majority might support it, it is unlikely to be approved Tuesday in light of Democratic opposition.

Suspension votes are generally reserved for non-controversial bills, although this is not the first time Republicans have risked failure by putting a bill on the suspension calendar. In February, for example, the House rejected two bills in this manner — one instructing the Obama administration to seek repayment from the United Nations, and other to extend Patriot Act surveillance authorities.

I’m not sure why the bill was introduced under a suspension of the rules. The GOP may have wanted to rush it to the floor, as they have been attracting some heat (pun intended) over their lack of energy (yes, I’m having fun) about overturning the 2007 law. The Hill doesn’t explain the strategy behind that decision, but the Christian Science Monitor reports that it could be added later as a rider to another bill. The Monitor also explains the mechanics of the so-called “ban”:

Even if it does succeed, it would need to pass the Senate and be signed by the president – a very dubious prospect. It is possible, however, that the issue could reemerge as a rider to a budget bill or a bargaining chip in debt negotiations, analysts say. …

Contrary to claims frequently made by conservative talk radio, bloggers, and some news media outlets, incandescent light bulbs are not actually being “banned.” Incandescent bulbs with newer, more efficient technology will still be for sale, because the 2007 law does not single out any particular lighting technology. It only requires light bulbs to meet higher levels of efficiency if they are to be sold.

Under that law, general-purpose light bulbs must become about 30 percent more energy efficient. Different bulb classes face different deadlines, all between 2012 and 2014. The old Edison bulb gets killed on January 1, 2012. But more-efficient incandescent bulbs, which use only 72 watts to give the same output as an old 100-watt Edison bulb, will still be sold.

While Edison bulbs today are about 30-50 cents apiece, updated versions cost $1.50. But the latter pay for themselves in energy savings in about six months.

The old incandescent bulb is clearly an energy hog. Just 5 percent of the electricity it uses lights the bulb – the rest ends up as heat.

Well, this is a nitpicking fact-check from the Monitor, which normally does better work. The standards make production and sale of cheap incandescents illegal, which is effectively a ban no matter how one gets to that position. More efficient incandescents can still be purchased, but the lifespan of those may not be much greater than the cheaper alternatives, which means that it gets expensive to replace them. That may save energy, but the increased costs hit those with lower incomes hardest, who may not be able to wait six months for break-even points on spending. At least that’s better than what happens with the CFLs that green advocates have pushed as the alternative, which require hazmat abatement for disposal, thanks to the mercury used in their manufacture.

Energy Secretary Steven Chu defended the government action to remove the choice for Americans on light-bulb efficiency, saying “We are taking away a choice that continues to let people waste their own money.” I wasn’t aware that government’s role was to exercise veto power on my personal spending choices, at least not when the product itself isn’t illegal for reasons of public safety. Neither was Mark Steyn:

I wonder if Secretary Chu has any idea how stupid this argument sounds from an administration that has wasted more of other people’s money than anybody else on the planet. Secretary Chu and his colleagues took a trillion dollars of “stimulus” and, for all the stimulating it did, might as well have given it in large bills to Charlie Sheen to snort coke off his hookers’ bellies with. (In my weekend column, I touch on only the most lurid and outrageous of the government’s many smart investment decisions: its use of stimulus dollars to stimulate the Mexican coffin industry.) …

There’s a limit to the amount of damage I can do wasting my own money. There are no limits to the damage Chu & Co can do wasting my money.

John Hinderaker notes a few of his wastes of money over the years to make a point:

I’ve wasted my money from time to time. I once bought a pair of bell-bottom jeans. I took Susie W. on a date. I bought a Cuban cigar when I was in the Caribbean. I contributed to Jimmy Carter’s presidential campaign. But I always figured that was my business–it was, after all, my money.

Bell-bottom jeans? This man needs a government intervention! (By the way, don’t miss out on your chance to enter the Power Line $100,000 Prize — this might make a good topic.)

Are more efficient light bulbs a wiser consumer choice? Certainly, if one can afford to make that choice. Lean chicken is a wiser choice than ground hamburger, too, and Honda CRVs better than most GM choices in similar classes. That doesn’t mean that we need government standards that impose those choices on free citizens.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cfl; congress; democrats; envirofascism; ge; geobama; incandescentbulb; liberalfascism; liberals; repeal
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1 posted on 07/12/2011 11:54:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

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2 posted on 07/12/2011 11:59:57 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: SeekAndFind

In related news, Mexican and Canadian retailers are gearing-up for a big increase in mail orders for incandescent bulbs. Moron Dems just never get it, do they?


3 posted on 07/12/2011 12:00:24 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: SeekAndFind
I prefer the fluorescent bulbs. They are kinder to my electric bill. Having said that, now government is trying to force people to make the switch. I do not prefer that.
4 posted on 07/12/2011 12:00:49 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: SeekAndFind

G.E. (AND JEF INMELT) ...................


5 posted on 07/12/2011 12:00:59 PM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: SeekAndFind
might as well have given it in large bills to Charlie Sheen to snort coke off his hookers’ bellies with

Well, at least then the money wouldn't have been wasted.

6 posted on 07/12/2011 12:02:24 PM PDT by wbill
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To: He Rides A White Horse

They don’t last for crap!
And they least ever less in ceiling fans!.................
And at the prices they cost the savings on utilities is eaten up to nothing!..................


7 posted on 07/12/2011 12:03:39 PM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I prefer the fluorescent bulbs. They are kinder to my electric bill..

Flourescents are old technology. LED's are the future, and they have the added benefit of not being filled with mercury. GE is obviously throwing money around with their lobbyists.
8 posted on 07/12/2011 12:05:41 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: SeekAndFind
Be prepared for when the libs will demand that we all use LED lights. Bet on it!
9 posted on 07/12/2011 12:06:32 PM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Tailback
LED's are the future, and they have the added benefit of not being filled with mercury.

I heard about the mercury in a conversation with a nice elderly gent I ran into the other day.

I have heard about the LEDs and will definitely go with them when they arrive. Any idea on the timeline?

10 posted on 07/12/2011 12:09:33 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: SeekAndFind
All of this partisan bullshite is really pissing me off.

The only reason the Dems want to shoot this down is because it is sponsored by a Republican and Boehner is giving the business to Their Boy Obama.

To hell with what is good for the country and to hell with what We The People want. It's all about tit for tat you know.

11 posted on 07/12/2011 12:12:03 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

I like them for some things.

They were better when they were made in the USA.


12 posted on 07/12/2011 12:13:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SeekAndFind

One more glaring sign of the utter uselessness of the dim bulb Republicans.


13 posted on 07/12/2011 12:13:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The tea party was and is about the right to govern ourselves, according to natural right.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I see that Lowes has them. Forty dollars a pop though. I would imagine that they would last almost forever due to the efficiency.The heat thing.
14 posted on 07/12/2011 12:15:11 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: cripplecreek
They were better when they were made in the USA.

Thanks cripplecreek. I have to go take a look.

15 posted on 07/12/2011 12:16:38 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: lormand

RE: Be prepared for when the libs will demand that we all use LED lights. Bet on it!

And how much will an LED light with the equivalent lighting ability of a 100 Watt Incandescent bulb cost?


16 posted on 07/12/2011 12:18:01 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: cripplecreek
Ugghh, you were right. Must be more careful in the future.
17 posted on 07/12/2011 12:18:01 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Any idea on the timeline?

You can get them right now.

BJ's Wholesale Club has them. 40w max and their $20 each. No thanks. I'll keep buying cases of the incandescents.

18 posted on 07/12/2011 12:19:00 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

RE: I prefer the fluorescent bulbs

Are there any rules in your area as to how you are going to dispose them when they run out?


19 posted on 07/12/2011 12:19:47 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Its purely my own opinion that they were better when they were American made.

I just felt that they lasted longer and put out a better soft white light.

The chinese made crap comes pre broken.


20 posted on 07/12/2011 12:20:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

their=they’re, of course. Uggh.


21 posted on 07/12/2011 12:20:49 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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To: Red Badger

Exactly... GE was a major pusher of the govt regulation “bulb ban”. This regulation minimizes competition and minimizes others entry into the market, thus helping secure the market for GE... Jeff Immelt, the CEO of GE, is Obama’s chairman of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness... Isn’t life grand.

Oh and how much did GE pay in taxes last year? none?...


22 posted on 07/12/2011 12:22:03 PM PDT by Veritas_et_libertas (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~Burke)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

I’ll have to try one when I’m through with my 20 year supply of incandescents.


23 posted on 07/12/2011 12:22:25 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

No thanks here as well. I picked up two packs (four bulbs) at 50 cents a piece. Somebody told me that they were being sold at a Goodwill store at that price.


24 posted on 07/12/2011 12:24:13 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Everytime I go to HD the GE 100w are scarce so the word is out. Pick some up each time.

Working toward your 20 year supply.


25 posted on 07/12/2011 12:25:00 PM PDT by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: SeekAndFind
Are there any rules in your area as to how you are going to dispose them when they run out?

I'm not sure. I know that mercury is extremely hazardous however.

26 posted on 07/12/2011 12:26:02 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: SeekAndFind
I have an entire hall closet filled with 40, 60, and 75 watters. Good for the remainder of my life - NO GOVERNMENT is going to tell me what bulb I can light up.
27 posted on 07/12/2011 12:26:52 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Veritas_et_libertas

Plus they are made in China................


28 posted on 07/12/2011 12:27:02 PM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: cripplecreek

No offense taken. I try to buy American whenever I can.


29 posted on 07/12/2011 12:27:47 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((((unite))))
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To: SeekAndFind

So, how many negatives can someone cram into a title?

“ban repeal defeat”...

so... can we have our lightbulbs or what?


30 posted on 07/12/2011 12:28:13 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Reagan Disciple

I’m still stacking. At this point, I take whatever wattage is available.

But I refuse to touch the GE bulbs.


31 posted on 07/12/2011 12:29:47 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Start saving your dead CFLs now because they will become valuable during the election season of 2012. In fact, they may become as symbolic as tea was before the Revolutionary War.

Here is how CFLs can affect the next election.

Wherever Dems gather to rally during the election, break a CFL and call for hazmat teams. Across this country, make it impossible for them to gather and spew their agenda. Let hundreds or thousands of CFLs die daily so the networks cannot avoid reporting on it. And when they do report on it, force the conversation to how the Dems are all for taking choice away from the American public. Show them to be the elite nannies that they are and how they care more for the power to control us than they do for our welfare.

The cost will be small, but the effect will be great.

32 posted on 07/12/2011 12:30:54 PM PDT by Marak (I don't deal with reality.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I prefer the fluorescent bulbs. They are kinder to my electric bill.

Tongue in cheek (I remember having dozens of childhood cuts treated with Mercurochrome and lots of fun playing with globules of mercury with friends) but have you purchased an environmental hazard suit for each member of your family with the savings? According to the same EPA which fostered the banning of the crown jewel in Mr. Edison's crown, you'll need them if one those bulbs breaks by accident indoors.

Of course, you could also just evacuate your family from your home for a few hours as the windows are opened to ventilate and you reenter to carefully clean the toxic spill (no vacuum allowed - it would spread the deadly micro debris).

Fortunately, I live near enough to the Canadian border to pay a quick call on an Ikea or Wally World and stock up on the real thing. But where to conceal the contraband through customs? Don't you love how our government is working so hard to make all of us criminals?

33 posted on 07/12/2011 12:32:41 PM PDT by katana
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To: MrB

Not if the Republocrats have their way. Nope.


34 posted on 07/12/2011 12:33:07 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

I would agree, but I find the Sylvanias burn out quicker. It may just be me.

I understand your position. I’m 70/30 GE stocked now.....maybe I loosen that up a bit.


35 posted on 07/12/2011 12:34:11 PM PDT by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: katana
Don't you love how our government is working so hard to make all of us criminals?

"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone?
But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

- - Atlas Shrugged

36 posted on 07/12/2011 12:39:25 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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To: cripplecreek
China is one place where they can get away with the associated slow mercury poisoning of the production labor in making the bulbs. That is not a tongue in cheek remark. Been widely reported but ignored by the bottom 10% of college graduates inhabiting the press rooms of the nation.
37 posted on 07/12/2011 12:42:59 PM PDT by katana
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To: SeekAndFind
The old incandescent bulb is clearly an energy hog. Just 5 percent of the electricity it uses lights the bulb – the rest ends up as heat.

Sometimes 95% heat is desirable.


38 posted on 07/12/2011 12:45:20 PM PDT by DrDavid (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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Whether the Incandescent is an energy hog or not is beside the point.

The most important point is this — ARE PEOPLE STILL WILLING TO PAY FOR THIS PRODUCT DESPITE KNOWING OF ITS INEFFICIENCIES?

If not, it will die a natural death. We don’t need Uncle Sam to tell us what and what not to buy are use.


39 posted on 07/12/2011 12:48:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: DrDavid

Whether the Incandescent is an energy hog or not is beside the point.

The most important point is this — ARE PEOPLE STILL WILLING TO PAY FOR THIS PRODUCT DESPITE KNOWING OF ITS INEFFICIENCIES?

If not, it will die a natural death. We don’t need Uncle Sam to tell us what and what not to buy or use.


40 posted on 07/12/2011 12:49:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: DrDavid
You touched on something that I'd love to see quantified....

That is, the heat benefits of the bulbs. Figure that, for the most part, the lights will be be turned on when it's dark (piercing observation, I know). That'll be more during the colder, winter months and less during the warmer, summer months.

I wonder what percentage of household heating the bulbs contribute during the cooler months? Do CFLs (or LEDs) merely shift energy consumption from "Electric Lighting" to "Heating"?

Doesn't really matter to me, I use incandescents, and have no desire to switch. It's just one of those unintended consequences that my engineering mind ponders.

41 posted on 07/12/2011 12:54:50 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Thank you for that excerpt. I now recall the epiphany I had when I first read the passage years ago. It also reminds me of a very devout Christian friend (raised by a nasty-piece-of-work liberal mother) who became excited when I mentioned Atlas Shrugged saying "that book changed my life". The religious awakening may be laid at the feet of her Baptist husband, but exposure to Ms. Rand's work certainly opened her eyes politically.
42 posted on 07/12/2011 1:01:28 PM PDT by katana
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To: SeekAndFind

First they came for our light bulbs
But I wasn’t a light bulb so I did not stand to object...


43 posted on 07/12/2011 1:02:04 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: wbill

Or the benefits of heat (aka “Warming”) in general. Funny thing, but if the mythical “Global Warming” is so bad, why is the ecosystem in tropical regions so much richer than in the Arctic and why do people (in our hemisphere) generally vacation and retire in a southerly direction?


44 posted on 07/12/2011 1:08:06 PM PDT by katana
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To: OrangeHoof

RE: First they came for our light bulbs

Well, don’t stop now, I’m waiting for the final punch line...


45 posted on 07/12/2011 1:09:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: wbill

RE: Doesn’t really matter to me, I use incandescents, and have no desire to switch

Well, the question is, what are you going to do come January 2012 when even selling them is outlawed?


46 posted on 07/12/2011 1:10:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: OrangeHoof
Do all the crystal chandeliers at the White House have the curly cue bulbs in them for ambiance?
47 posted on 07/12/2011 1:12:38 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SeekAndFind
In my opinion, this is precisely the type of simple, easy-to-understand issue that conservatives need to elevate during the next election cycle.

The underlying point is that no one on our side is making this an "either/or" issue. If you like fluorescents, knock yourself out. What is reprehensible is the prohibition on a product that has served us well for decades, and which is objectively safer for personal use than its alternative.

This is preposterous, nanny-state governance writ large (or small, depending on your point of view). The fundamental question: if they can ban incandescents, what would keep them from banning anything they choose?

48 posted on 07/12/2011 1:12:45 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Red Badger
They don’t last for crap!

WRONG!!! FALSE!!! INCORRECT!!! ERRONEOUS!!!

I'll grant that they may not "last for crap" in your house. Some of my friends have had similar poor experiences with them. I, and many other of my friends, have found them to last for an undetermined time. That is, the "curly bulbs" we installed 5 years ago are still working just fine. I have several rooms (garage and basement) with a mix of Edison lights and compact fluorescent lights on the same circuit. Edison lights have been replaced several times, CFL have not.

49 posted on 07/12/2011 1:20:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

AND they don’t work in the COLD FREEZING WEATHER, like my shed!....................


50 posted on 07/12/2011 1:22:43 PM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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