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2 N.J. teens labeled sex offenders for life after 'horseplay' incident
NJ ^ | 7/20/11 | MaryAnn Spoto

Posted on 07/20/2011 8:26:14 AM PDT by Libloather

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Prison time for an atomic wedgie.
1 posted on 07/20/2011 8:26:20 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Planting your ass on somebody’s face is grounds for an ass kicking.


2 posted on 07/20/2011 8:30:18 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Libloather

Ridiculous.

Reminds me of an article I read one time about a guy who was camping out in the middle of nowhere where he (thought) he was alone. Went back into the woods to take a whiz, and was promptly arrested by two cops hiding out trying to entrap homosexuals. Charged with indecent exposure, and has to register on a sex offender list for the rest of his life. For taking a whiz in the woods where he thought nobody was around.


3 posted on 07/20/2011 8:31:23 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: Libloather

We used to call them Atomic Sit-ups.


4 posted on 07/20/2011 8:32:32 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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To: Libloather
One of the boys, whose case went to trial, said he had sat on the faces of a pair of 12-year-old schoolmates with his bare buttocks in November 2008 "cause I thought it was funny and I was trying to get my friends to laugh," he told a family court judge.

I wonder if this happened at the school...

5 posted on 07/20/2011 8:32:48 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Use it up, wear it out, make it over or do without.)
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To: Libloather

Teabagging…not really as funny as it sounds.


6 posted on 07/20/2011 8:32:55 AM PDT by RichInOC ("In the name of Allah, The Inexorable, The Irresistible...")
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To: Libloather
the three-judge panel acknowledged the severity of its decision, but said it was bound to uphold the law.

Eventually everyone will be on a sex offender registry somewhere so it won't quite the scarlet letter it once was.

7 posted on 07/20/2011 8:32:58 AM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals.

Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.” (Atlas Shrugged 1957)


8 posted on 07/20/2011 8:33:16 AM PDT by null and void (Day 911. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: Libloather

Don’t they know that’s why God gave us trees???


9 posted on 07/20/2011 8:34:20 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Libloather

Remember kids:

Sexual horseplay out of school - heavy-handed scarlet letter treatment by clueless judges

Sexual horseplay in school - approved public education curriculum


10 posted on 07/20/2011 8:36:18 AM PDT by relictele (Pax Quaeritur Bello)
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To: elpadre

sorry - that comment meant for Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus


11 posted on 07/20/2011 8:36:49 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Libloather
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

"Atlas Shrugged," by Ayn Rand

12 posted on 07/20/2011 8:37:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: Libloather

The statists use any opening to advance the state. So the people who demanded free love, special rights for homosexuals, the end to all pornography laws also are quite willing to coop conservatives with such registration laws all for the purpose of limiting the rights of more and more and more people.


13 posted on 07/20/2011 8:37:38 AM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I don’t know how many guys would have been kicked out of the Army for atomic sit-ups had this been considered that bad.

Ridiculous. All it does is dilute the effectiveness of the registries.


14 posted on 07/20/2011 8:39:16 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Libloather

You can’t do this stuff anymore - unless you’re a teacher or a “sexual minority”.


15 posted on 07/20/2011 8:39:16 AM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: Libloather

Damn, we used to red eye kids all the time in soccer.


16 posted on 07/20/2011 8:41:42 AM PDT by struggle
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To: relictele

Excellent response.


17 posted on 07/20/2011 8:43:16 AM PDT by kitkat ( I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE from Obama.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
For taking a whiz in the woods where he thought nobody was around.

I've read of a teenage boy on the registry for mooning passing cars from the school bus. Others for skinny-dipping in a pond late at night.

Eventually these sex offender registries will be rendered worthless. They'll be so populated by mundane, minor offenders that those actual violent sexual predators will simply fall through the cracks, disappearing amongst the multitude of names.

18 posted on 07/20/2011 8:45:48 AM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: relictele

Especially in California where the new law requires teaching sodomy to kids in kindergarten.


19 posted on 07/20/2011 8:46:07 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: saganite
Planting your ass on somebody’s face is grounds for an ass kicking.

I agree. Simple crime. Simple punishment. No need for a registry or state involvement of any crime.

If the victim is unable to administer the ass kicking himself, he needs to think creatively for alternate justice. There are so many ways to punish a dickhead.

20 posted on 07/20/2011 8:46:34 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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21 posted on 07/20/2011 8:46:56 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: Libloather

Strong, multiple applications of a holy hickory board would have been more effective, and just.


22 posted on 07/20/2011 8:49:17 AM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: dead
Our society can't convict Casey Anthony of murder but it can sure scar two rambunctious kids for life.
23 posted on 07/20/2011 8:51:13 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: saganite

when I was a kid, I remember this 10 year old kid in the locker room bent down and opened his cheeks and yelled to everyone in the room “Open Sesame!”

Disgustingly enough, it was covered with brown poo with lots of sesame seeds.

This guy eventually grew up and had a family of five kids. Sadly, he died in a car accident recently. I remember when many classmates were told of his recent tragic death, they would say “That is so sad...uh was he the Open Sesame guy?”

Sometimes dumb things stick with you long after your childhood.


24 posted on 07/20/2011 8:51:18 AM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Caught in the mother of all traffic jams, a man stepped out of the car, went to the side of the road, and peed as discretely as possible. They charged him for indecent exposure and made him ‘part of the system’ as a registered sex offender who had to pay for “classes” to teach him not to wag his member at the public for his own sexual gratification (when all he really wanted to do was discreetly relieve his bladder).

Underage girls sent topless photos to boys, boys swap them around like baseball cards. Prosecutors about to charge them for distribution of child pornography until the parents of the boys wondered (loudly) about why the girls were not charged for CREATION of child pornography. Charges were dropped.

An 18 year old who has sex with his (or her) 17 year old girlfriend (or boyfriend) doesn't need to be a lifetime “sexual offender” and take classes to deal with his (or her) attraction to the underaged.

25 posted on 07/20/2011 8:51:24 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Libloather

First thoughts ... boys.

Yup. Never girls, only boys are evil.

Atlas shrugs again — getting a neck cramp.


26 posted on 07/20/2011 8:51:31 AM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Libloather

Maybe its just me but 14 yrs old isn’t confused babies. I’d have to know more about specifics but I’m thinking that these vile little bastards are going to do nothing but get worse. These kids are (were) freshmen in high school and to actually pull their pants down and do this disgusting thing to someone else tells me that they are the worst kind of perverts that are capable of inexcusable behavior and need to be on a list of people to watch out for.
Unfortunately, some parts or factions of our society breed this kind of malice. 14 year olds are not only capable of bullying but also sexual assault, like this incident, but robbery, rape, murder. These are the least common denominator of society and if they show up in my town, I’ll yell it from the rooftops. Libtards, on the other hand, will make excuses for them and encourage the same kind of behavior by not making an example out of these sick little assholes.


27 posted on 07/20/2011 8:53:13 AM PDT by traintown57
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To: Libloather
Not that I intend to, or fear I may succumb to, giving someone a 'wedgie' but this sort of draconian statism is one reason I try to steer clear of the entire New England/Eastern Seaboard region of this country. New Jersey always seeming to be the worst of the worst in almost every example that comes across the wires.

Stories like this remind me to log on and post 'Oh, HELL no' when I hear Eastern Freepers talk about drafting the governor of New Jersey for President in 2012.

No New Jersey influence on anything having to do with America, I say. Yes, I know it's a very pretty state. So was East Germany.

28 posted on 07/20/2011 8:53:43 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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“Eventually everyone will be on a sex offender registry somewhere so it won’t quite the scarlet letter it once was.”

The teenage son of a friend stopped into a 7/11 and asked to use the bathroom. The clerk said no. It was late at night, so he stepped behind the store between the dumpster and the wall where nobody could see him and peed. When he came out a cop had driven up and asked him what he was doing. He said, taking a piss. The cop arrested him. There was no law against public urination so he was charged with exposure. Not knowing what would happen he went before the judge without a lawyer. He was found guilty and put on the permanent sex offender list. He was 16.

I recently pulled up the sex offender list for my area and there was somebody almost in square mile; hundreds of people in a tiny town. I looked at some of the write-ups and many were teenagers when they “offended.” How many of us would have been on the list if caught today for things we playfully did as teenagers with other teenagers? These things were no predictor of future behavior, nor were some of them overtly sexual at the time. Teenagers have scatological and wave-the-penis humor that goes away with maturity. How many lives have been ruined by this well-intentioned but ridiculous law? When everybody’s on the list, nobody’s on the list.


29 posted on 07/20/2011 8:55:55 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Libloather
From wiki;

"Paul Kramer was the sponsor in 1994 in the New Jersey General Assembly of a package of seven bills known as Megan's Law that were approved one month after the rape and murder of seven-year-old Megan Kanka by Jesse Timmendequas, a sex offender who had been previously convicted of sex crimes and had lived across the street from Kanka together with four other sex offenders. The bills would require sex offender registration, with a database tracked by the state, community notification of registered sex offenders moving into a neighborhood and life in prison without a chance of parole for those convicted of a second sexual assault. Kramer expressed incredulity at the controversy created by the bills, saying that "Megan Kanka would be alive today" if the bills he proposed had been law." [emphasis mine}

Knee jerk legislation. Other states followed very soon after with their own versions.

30 posted on 07/20/2011 9:04:40 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

It’s not ridiculous and the incident you cite is nothing like what these little bastards did.

They deserve what they got and they will think long and hard before doing something as stupid as this.


31 posted on 07/20/2011 9:09:58 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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maybe you are right.
but this is the same state, NJ,
that initially found a muslim not guilty
of raping his age 17 non-english speaking arranged wife.
repeatedly. while she cried.

the NJ Judge said he was not guilty,
because it wasn’t a crime in Islam.


32 posted on 07/20/2011 9:15:55 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Libloather

Policification of America, well underway.


33 posted on 07/20/2011 9:17:28 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Gena Bukin

Exactly. They are purposely diluting the information content of the sex offender registry. There needs to be a means for removing people from the registry after a period of time unless their offense was against a child while an adult. Also the registry should list the person’s exact offense so that the public knows if their neighbor is a pedophile or someone who groped another adult or exposed themselves while relieving themselves in a semi-public place.


34 posted on 07/20/2011 9:18:32 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: Libloather

This one doesn’t seem to jibe with anything else I’ve ever read about the way the law deals with juveniles. I mean it’s always been the case in the past that teens could kill people and rob banks and trains and their records would be expunged at age 21.


35 posted on 07/20/2011 9:22:32 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Gen.Blather

For your analogy to have any relevence regarding the the article, he would have to have urinated on some one elses face.

Apples and bowling balls.


36 posted on 07/20/2011 9:22:34 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Libloather

I think the Judge’s hands were tied; I believe he cannot amend the lifetime addition to the “registered sexual offenders list”.

If I am right on that score, then I think the law is an ass.

A juvenile who remains NOT a “repeat offender” of such offenses should have their name removed from the list when they become 18.

The whole purpose of juvenile courts and legislation that considers juveniles as eligible for “juvenile sentencing” is done in recognition that juveniles are immature persons who out of immaturity may commit certain offenses but who will hopefully in their course to maturity “learn their lesson” and not carry such offenses into adulthood.

Removing juveniles who have not been repeat offenders from such a list should not be hand-wringing question.

If for some reason they revert back to such crimes after they become an adult, they will be immediately and permanently back on the list.

For all the rest of the juveniles who “straightened up” they will get a clean second chance. That is what we almost always do with juveniles.


37 posted on 07/20/2011 9:23:09 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Libloather

At some point this will trip the Cruel and Unusual Punishment clause and that’s not completely without merit. Where’s the ACLU on this? /rhetorical


38 posted on 07/20/2011 9:23:43 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (From her lips to the voters' ears: Debbie Wasserman Schultz: "We own the economy" June 15, 2011)
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To: RichInOC

I guess we should all thank Anderson Cooper for taking it mainstream, huh? He and Bill Clinton can now share the dubious distinction of personally moving the degradation of society even further into the dung pit.


39 posted on 07/20/2011 9:27:45 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: Libloather
sat on the faces of a pair of 12-year-old schoolmates with his bare buttocks

This case is exactly why we have judges instead of computers to render justice. It requires discretion.

The boy did something that, at least in my opinion, went beyond "horseplay". He didn't just smack some girl on the butt or give someone a "wedgie". He put his naked butt on someone's face. That is a little disturbing and requires punishment.

Having said that, to brand the kid a sex offender for the rest of his life is crazy. Put him on probation, have him do some community service related to bullying and that should be the end of it.

40 posted on 07/20/2011 9:31:26 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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sat on my friends face with my bare butt. . . if that is the case, then every gender-bender and homosexual should be made to register as sex offenders for life as well!

Hey Barney Franks, why are you not registering as a sex offender?

I guess some people are really above the law!

41 posted on 07/20/2011 9:38:40 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

When I was that age this type of behavior would of been considered homosexual in nature. Nobody would do this unless they were a pervert. When I read some of the comments from people who see this as nothing, I wonder about them.


42 posted on 07/20/2011 9:42:13 AM PDT by gusty
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To: Libloather

Lifetime registration requirements can be overturned by the state Attorney General.


43 posted on 07/20/2011 9:42:23 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: dead
If the victim is unable to administer the ass kicking himself, he needs to think creatively for alternate justice. There are so many ways to punish a dickhead.

Beat a man physically...you'll have to do it again. Beat a man mentally and physically...he stays beat.

For instance...I'm a smaller guy...a white "redkneck" looking guy. Was out the shop door having a cig...and a crew from the Atlanta jail was out picking up trash on the road.

Tried to be nice...give em a few cigs...some jaw jacking atarted because I guess they thought I just a dumb country redneck that is scared to death of "gangbangers"...

Heh...Heh...

My parting shot was.."Y'all watch out for copperheads...I've killed about 6 or so this year in that grassline y'all cleaning."

44 posted on 07/20/2011 9:56:01 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (I got a fever and the only prescription is more watermelon trickworm, better known as bass crack.)
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To: gusty

And the flip side of this is that if the boy put his naked butt on a girl’s face, no one would be laughing it off.


45 posted on 07/20/2011 9:58:19 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Libloather

Remember, the more people ‘we’ can charge with ‘sex crimes’, spit on the sidewalk say 3 times and get charged as a repeat offender and they invoke the 3 strike rule, just leads to the fewer people that will be able to own a weapon.

10 yo boy brings toy soldier with rifle and bayonet to school, you suspend him for a weapon in school, put it in his ‘permanent file’ and when he goes to apply for anything 10 years later, they find the ‘suspended from school because of a weapon’, we have built another felon.

Definitely convinced it is a convoluted, long time plan along with the demasculinization of us.

When I first ‘read’ the story, it appeared that the doer and doee were suspended, went back and reread and see there were 2 doers or maybe 1 and an aide, but 2 dooees.

Kid needs a good arse whupping, maybe suspended AND a real stretch here- - maybe some time in juvey BUT definitely not be labeled a sex offender for life...

Now, if he had taken a dump, we are talking a whole different ball game here..


46 posted on 07/20/2011 10:03:38 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98) Hoping your train of thought isn't derailed because of empty boxcars.)
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To: Libloather

Simple. Early on, brand an ever-increasing number of impressionable teenage boys as lifetime sexual deviants, by any means possible.

Increase their the chances to become homosexual as adults.


47 posted on 07/20/2011 10:08:09 AM PDT by Stalwart
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To: Elendur

So two wrongs make a right? Just because a horses ass Judge decides an immigrant in America cab ignore our laws as long as he follows his doesn’t make it right.


48 posted on 07/20/2011 10:09:25 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

It seems now that anytime someone commits a crime, and the facts state that the 14yr olds commited a crime, people crawl out the woodwork to make excuses. This is true for Liberals and now Conservatives as well. These young dirtbags (who become adult dirtbags) commited a sex crime and now it is time to pay the piper. I cannot believe all the low lives who say no big deal. Or the ones who say they did the same thing, so no big deal. The main problem with the country today is there are way too many low lives amongst us.


49 posted on 07/20/2011 10:14:32 AM PDT by gusty
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To: Libloather

This behavior is more bullying, humiliating and showing off behavior, apparently with any audience, making reality of the ancient “kiss my ass” insult. I doubt it’s sexual if these kids are straight. It deserves a pretty severe juvenile punishment, but shouldn’t be put in a sex offender registry.


50 posted on 07/20/2011 10:32:31 AM PDT by Will88
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