Posted on 07/24/2011 6:54:25 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
I just received an email from World Net Daily advertising some books. Not unusual, as I'm on their list, and they send ads all the time. What is strange though, is the fact that all the books in this ad are religious AND take the oddball "7th-day Sabbath" position--definitely a very minority position among conservative evangelicals, and Christians of all stripes.
The ad also hints at some dark conspiracy amidst conventional Christians, accusing us of not reading the bible carefully.
Some evangelical apologists too categorize Adventism (which started with those who firmly predicted Jesus to come again in the 1840s) itself is at least an eccentric sect, following Old Testament and extra-biblical regulations, if not a cult, not unlike many others that got founded about that time.
Is World Net Daily now officially Adventist?
Don’t agree with you a bit, but wish you well. Bye.
My basis for saying so is based on the fact that Scripture teaches that God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. If something is wrong today, it was wrong yesterday and it will be wrong tomorrow. He’s not going to change His mind.
As I said, the Ten Commandments are implied as enforceable prior to Sinai, because He was holding man to account on those same commandments prior to Sinai. Whether it be Cain or mankind. You can’t say something is wrong or evil without there having been a measuring stick as to what it means to be good. Do you deny that Cain knew he had done wrong? God never said up until this point that it was wrong to kill, but Cain knew he had done wrong and he lied about it. If you have an awareness of what it means to do wrong, it can only mean that you were aware of what it meant to do right.
Do you deny this?
That’s not what I asked. Can you prove this statement:
“The Jews have never forgotten which day to keep”
You have become adept at not answering a question. The ONLY reason that Seventh Day Adventist do a Saturday Sabbath is because the Jews do it now. There is no Biblical reason for it. That’s the problem with worshiping a day rather than the Sabbath
Did Yah'shua lie in Matthew 12:40 ? I know what you think,
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
but can you support it with scripture ?
Aside from the time when they were slaves in Egypt, can you speak as to when Jews did not keep the Sabbath?
They kept it because God demanded them keep it and Adventists keep it because they don’t believe God rescinded that command.
Nah, you have no idea whether the Jews kept the Sabbath on the same day since Moses brought down the law. You assume they have but you really dont know
When it comes down to it, everything is faith. I have faith that I am chatting with somebody who is calling himself AppyPappy, but for all I know, this is really a Turing test.
All indication are that, from Sinai forward, that is one the Jews were really good at and that was keeping the Sabbath. Even during the Babylonian captivity, the Jewish people who were allowed to stay in Israel kept the Sabbath and were able to teach it to those that returned.
There’s no historical that I am aware of that contradicts that one fact.
****1. The Ten Commandments existed at the time of man’s creation. The Law of Moses did not.****
Deu 4:10 [Specially] the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and [that] they may teach their children.
Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made NOT THIS COVENANT with our fathers, but with US, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.
Deu 5:6 ¶ I [am] the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 5:7 ¶ Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
1Ki 8:9 [There was] nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made [a covenant] with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.
In principle it did exist. God could not have held his Cain to account for killing his brother unless there was already a law in place to prevent that.
To do otherwise is like holding people to account for driving too fast if there are no speeding laws.
God hasn’t written down the physical laws yet, does that mean the law of gravity doesn’t exist?
Written in stone means NOTHING! When Moses received the Commandments the people were alredy breaking them. This cause Moses to toss the commandments and they were shattered.
Moses then had to carve two new stones which can just as easily be broken.
Note that the Commandments were placed in the Ark which symbolized death as the Ark was really a coffin for the Commandments.
That is an interesting point. Where is your reasoning the Ark was a form of coffin?
Help me out with that.
***I guessed you missed the Creation account of God having set aside the Seventh day and called it very good.***
God’s work was finished and he rested. But then what did God do on the 8th day, 9th day, 10th day? Start over?
The main difference is you may honor the 7the day and accuse others of honoring Sunday. WE do not honor SUNDAY. We honor the Lord Jesus Christ every day and just happen to gather together on Sunday as that is the day Christ overcame death and was resurected.
The first gathering of the Saints was on Resurection Sunday. The Holy Spirit came into the believers on Pentecost which was on Sunday.
Sorry for chiming in again, but I couldn’t help it. I have long thought that the ark represented a coffin in some way. Haven’t thought it through completely, but doesn’t it remind you so much of the account of Jesus’ entombment? With the angels (cherubim) at his head and feet? A perfect illustration of the ark? Am I off base?
Do you start your work over every Monday or do you continue from where you left off, when you chose to end your workweek?
What I do know is that there was no command to honor Christ’s death and resurrection in terms of a day, but there is a command to keep the Seventh day holy.
***That is an interesting point. Where is your reasoning the Ark was a form of coffin?***
From Exodus25:10 STRONGS- 727 uses the word Ark for coffin in all verses.
Gen 50:26 —....And he was put in a coffin in Egypt. Strongs 727. same word
***What I do know is that there was no command to honor Christ’s death and resurrection in terms of a day,***
You are hung up on the day again. We honor the Lord Jesus Christ, not the day. God does not close his ears to prayers on any day. However, If I take a long journey and wish to meet with Christians, I will find them in churches on Sunday, Sunday night and Wednesday, because that is when Christians gather to honor Christ.
That is interesting.
But your belief is not in the actual Sabbath day. Your belief is that the Jews are doing it right. That’s the problem with throwing all your trust on it. Not only that, God didn’t tell them which day. Moses set the Sabbath before he got the 10 Commandments (Ex 16)
That’s because I am hung up on the belief that it is important to be obedient. I am free to do what I want with my time, but am not free to do with the time the Lord has set aside for himself.
***That is interesting.****
The people promised to do all that God commanded.
Moses received the Commandments. the people were breaking them at the same moment.
Moses hurled them down and they were broken. Think of the symbolism in it.
Moses then must carve out a new set which are put into a gold plated coffin and carried before the people as an “IN YOUR FACE” reminder of their failure to keep their part of the covenant as it was now dead, by THEIR OWN hand.
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