Why do Jews still support Obama?

BizPac Review ^ | July 25, 2011 | Alan Bergstein

[JadeEmperor]

"What scared cows do you have in mind? Spit it out dude. Don't be shy."

By dismissing the comment, you have shown yourself to be intellectually dishonest. Or maybe an ethnocentric blindfold (quite natural and to be expected, for anyone.) I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Yes, a double standard, enforced by modern-day PC code does exist. The double standard is as following: there are politically protected (by PC code) classes of people, who can claim ethic or racist bias of the other side to effectively deflect any, both constructive and destructive, criticism. Especially if the other party is a member of the non-protected WASP class. The charge or "racism" or anti-Semitism does not carry the same weight as a charge of "anti-white" or "anti-Christian" bias. It just doesn't. If you deny that the above is very true today, you are either totally blind or not completely honest. For the record, I'm a full-blooded Ashkenazi Jew.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Nearly all politicos are supporters of abortion (including the pagan feminists who rant against it while blaming it all on men in general). And most politicos are liars; most of them are socialists

Well there ya go! I guess we're on the same page there.

There are no conservatives in partisan politics.

Well, there are the TEApublicans, which may well commandeer the GOP. (I certainly hope so) And I'd just as soon see a bunch of clandestine Constitution Party and other conservative groups infiltrate the RATs and then wreak legislative havoc while they can.

[dennisw]

So what are the sacred cows? Still afraid to say I see.

[dennisw]

You are full of crap..... My evidence is check out all the anti-Jew comments just on this thread. The Muslims whale on the Jews all the time and so does the left. So don’t give me this “Jews are sacred cows” garbage

Every day on FR there are threads knocking the Jews for voting for Obama. Jews are hardly sacred cows at FR or are you blind?

[triumphant values]

So what are the sacred cows?

Does the guy in post 81 really have that much better reading comprehension ability than you?

Still afraid to say I see.

Do you have some magical powers I should know about or something?

[dennisw]

There are only 14-16 million Jews in this world but by the amount of attention we get you would think there are 2 billion

[dennisw]

You are too chickens**t or nutty to tell me what the big sacred cows are as far as Jews go.

[triumphant values]

My evidence is check out all the anti-Jew comments just on this thread.

I don't see anything on this thread that is any more biting than what the Protestants say about Catholics on this forum, or what Evangelicals say about Mormons, or the Orthodox about the Catholics, or the Catholics about the Protestants on this forum.

Nor do I see anything more biting in what some leftists say about Jews than what they say about Christians.

You might just be a bit more thin-skinned than the average poster here.

[Tzfat]

I've seen this narrative about a thousand times, but something about it just doesn't pass the smell test.

You need to read more, and smell less. History is actually interesting - but the history of the Jewish people and the persecution they have suffered for thousands of years is more sobering than you can imagine.

[dennisw]

For the record, I’m a full-blooded Ashkenazi Jew. >>>>>>>>

Bull!

[dennisw]

You don’t have the gonads to say what you really think. You just make sly insinuations.

[triumphant values]

You don’t have the gonads to say what you really think. You just make sly insinuations.

Paranoid much? Do you have some persecution complex you need validated? Sorry, I'm not a licensed therapist nor do I play one on the internet.

[Tzfat]

I have grown up around Jews my entire life, so I stand by my statement

I would suggest that you get out more. When you can say "Jews" (there are 15 million world wide) " hate Christians" with a straight face, then maybe you hang out with too many bad people. That is, unless you know all 15 million.

BTW, Orthodox Judaism forbids the hatred of non-Jews. Period. So might I suggest you hang out with "better" Jews?

[JadeEmperor]

"You say part of your family is Jewish? What does this mean? My experience as a full Jew ---- I have heard those words used pejoratively maybe 10 times in my life. "Goy" --- I have rarely heard a Jew use that one at all. It's kind of dated. "

To be fair, I come from the ex-USSR Ukrainian Jewish family, where the above words were used pejoratively a bit more often than that, and rarely in a light-hearted manner. Maybe its just the old country culture - of course, the setting was different, than in the US. We were less accepted and more set apart and less trusting and more bitter towards outsiders as the result. Ethnic slurs were commonly traded from the Russians and Ukrainians, who do not believe in the melting pot thing at all, nevermind the decades of Soviet "internationalist" social experiment (sometimes I think its a uniquely American idea :)) So maybe in the US those old eastern Europe prejudices were moderated by decades of relative acceptance and prosperity.

[familyop]

"There are only 14-16 million Jews in this world but by the amount of attention we get you would think there are 2 billion."

Well said. Many others tend to project their own mistakes and wrongs on those who are not expected to retaliate.

[JadeEmperor]

>> For the record, I’m a full-blooded Ashkenazi Jew. >>>>>>>>

>> Bull!

You may believe whatever you want. My family goes way back to the shtetls Narovlya, Belarus and just outside of Kiev, Ukraine.

No intermarriages with the local Slavs as far as my great-grandparents, and I’m pretty sure its even less likely before that. As those communities were pretty insular and kept to their own ways.

I have a Germanic-sounding last name, like many Eastern-European Jews. Which probably means we originally came from Germany to what was probably at that time the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

[JadeEmperor]

"You are full of crap..... My evidence is check out all the anti-Jew comments just on this thread. The Muslims whale on the Jews all the time and so does the left. So don’t give me this “Jews are sacred cows” garbage."

I was speaking in broader terms, that just this forum. The pattern of Jews historically (since the late 19th century) being overrepresented (in statistically significant ways) in the Leftist, Progressive movements and parties is a known fact. It has its own historical and cultural reasons, some of which are valid - i.e. the pogroms and other forms of persecution. In the 21st century and in present-day America it is, however, a misguided, destructive in the long run, to both America and the Jewish people, affinity. The muslims and their ideological attacks on Jews are not, for their majority, a part of the American national discourse. They are mostly foreign in origin and in their intended audience. The Left (including leftist ethnic Jews) attacks primarily the modern state of Israel. It does not attack American Jews per se. The Orthodox live their insular lives primarily in peace in the US, the main threats to their safety being from the urban feral "tonton macoutes", or a hypothetical total neo-Soviet makeover of America.

"Every day on FR there are threads knocking the Jews for voting for Obama. Jews are hardly sacred cows at FR or are you blind?"

Many (not all) of the observations about the politico-cultural patterns of the Jews on this thread, even though may be uncomfortable, are valid. To dismiss them simply as racism is akin to using the "race card" when attempting to be open about some of the problems of the black culture and community today. I will talk more about it in my next post.

[combat_boots]

And here I though that staying out of the LDS, Evangelical and Catholic threads—because of the contentiousness on them—was enough.

Those threads have nothing on this one. Man.

[Lancey Howard]

Why do Jews still support Obama?

See: "Battered wife syndrome"

[JadeEmperor]

These threads highlight several issues, some of which may be uncomfortable to talk about, but must be, because dismissing them will be worse in the long run.

For Jewish conservatives, there seems often to exist a painful dichotomy, where a desire to be fully accepted into the ranks of the American modern conservatism, sometimes finds itself at odds with the latter, when it tries to re-assert its own predominantly WASP cultural identity and values in an increasingly secular, multiculturalist, post-Christian, modern society.

I will repeat this, at the root of the modern American conservatism lies a particular demographic - i.e. to be frank, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant cultural core, the same that has founded our Republic.

Jewish conservatives seem to wish to be fully accepted "as one of their own" by the core demographic and at the same time continue to maintain a unique cultural/ethnic/religious identity.

While we share many of the same values, including the rule of law, the Constitution, free market, traditional marriage/family, national defense and support for Israel, we will still find cultural differences, for example Evangelical Christians and Orthodox Jews find that they have irreconcilable differences in theology, such as on this thread.

There exist a somewhat asymmetrical relationship. Most WASPS know precious little about the actual Jewish culture, or the history of it, or the Jewish cultural memory for that matter, or the finer details of Orthodox Judaism. But they (just like any majority) do exert normalizing pressure and feel frustrated when the target of their normalizing pressure, whom they view as "almost like us, just needs to be perfected a bit" resists assimilation.

For the Jewish conservatives, when they encounter normalizing pressure from the majority, it is not always the easiest thing to do to move past the cultural memories of being singled out as a cultural minority for forced assimilation and/or persecution, and simply stand your ground and attempt to "agree to disagree" and focus on common values instead.

What happens then, is that political correctness is being wielded is a weapon because it's so darn convenient, and ready to use (for the past 50 years) and doesn't require lengthy and protracted debate. Just put in in a cup and add water :)

Yes, I see it both ways on these threads.