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Annihilating Democracy with the Tea Party
SPIEGEL ONLINE ^ | 07/29/2011 | Gregor Peter Schmitz

Posted on 07/31/2011 6:55:26 AM PDT by skimbell

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To: Little Ray

“‘Bout time we did something about this “democracy” crap.
We’re supposed to be a Republic!”

That is one particular thing that very few people talk about. They say it’s all about democracy. I say it’s all about the Republic! I’m very proud to hear someone bring up our Republic. Thank you.


61 posted on 07/31/2011 9:05:17 AM PDT by C.O. Correspondence (We are not economical units. We are the People!)
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To: kcvl

Looks as if he’s been well educated far beyond his intelligence!


62 posted on 07/31/2011 9:08:54 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: kabar

I’ve spent time there. And Yes,,it is the land of the obedient follower. They all LOVE to think they are rebels politically,,,but of course, they mean rebel within the socialist framework of discussion.
And yes,,, the Germans LOVE their rules and order as much as they ever did.

But they have no room for the concept that free people get to be in charge, a voice, yes,, but not actual control. Try to homeschool a kid and you get arrested. Hate speech laws,,,Radical environmental laws. And of course, they are members of the EU. This is the actual government which the people **cannot** vote for. Germans can vote on silly local things, but they cannot overturn the laws of the true government,,,the EU.

Germans are well trained to follow the leader. They should stick to cars cooking, beer, and wines,, all of which they are very good at.


63 posted on 07/31/2011 9:11:10 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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Europe generally has a poor frame of reference concerning the liberties we hobbits know.


64 posted on 07/31/2011 9:14:13 AM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: bcsco

Hitler’s government was a democracy. Der Spiegel loves democracy.


65 posted on 07/31/2011 9:26:49 AM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: skimbell
Tea Party politicians are eager to slash spending, but they are adamantly opposed to allowing the government to increase tax revenues.

That is simply not true. We are adamantly opposed to allowing the government to increase tax rates. Lowering tax rates consistently raises tax revenues.

66 posted on 07/31/2011 9:28:58 AM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: kabar

Yeah,, but those parties are all slightly different flavors of the same socialist ice cream. They are a socialist nation that has rejected their violent side, yes. But they are among the most virulent socialists on earth. Most Germans i knew felt nothing but disdain for republicans,, and they look at TEA as literally an American Nazi party. Politically, germans are so screwed up, that they cannot see Obama as a budding Hitler if he could only figure out how to pass an enabling act.

Whats weird, is the way they and other euros are always obsessing over America. Americans don’t know when they have an election, and i bet 10 out of 100 know the name of their current leader. Yet, they prattle on endlessly about us, our government, claim to be experts of the constitution, etc. They are like creepy stalkers looking in the hot cheerleaders window, (thats us),, and she doesn’t even know they exist.

And also,, he was BORN in 75. He knows nothing of the road we are headed down. He was making mudpies when we paid the late 70s and early 80s interest rates. He has no idea what hell Obama is leading us into. He never looks at today and says, “hey, this is a lot like Carter,,,only worse”. So like most of his country and the EU,, and like MOST of his generation here at Harvard,,he needs to SFTU and observe. He isn’t qualified to opine.


67 posted on 07/31/2011 9:32:17 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
I’ve spent time there. And Yes,,it is the land of the obedient follower. They all LOVE to think they are rebels politically,,,but of course, they mean rebel within the socialist framework of discussion. And yes,,, the Germans LOVE their rules and order as much as they ever did.

I have lived in Germany for four years and a total of 13 years in Europe. My wife is German and I have been back to Germany many, many times (almost yearly) over the past 40 years, including this past January for 6 weeks. Yes, Germans are organized and relatively disciplined as a society. They had to be in order to rise from the ashes of WWII and a level of destruction that is incomprehensible to most Americans. The Wirtschaftswunder was only possible because of the tremendous discipline and organization that allowed the country to emerge as one of the richest countries in the world. Even the East Germans were relatively more prosperous than the Soviets and the rest of Eastern Europe. Younger Germans are less disciplined and are not mindless followers.

But they have no room for the concept that free people get to be in charge, a voice, yes,, but not actual control. Try to homeschool a kid and you get arrested. Hate speech laws,,,Radical environmental laws. And of course, they are members of the EU. This is the actual government which the people **cannot** vote for. Germans can vote on silly local things, but they cannot overturn the laws of the true government,,,the EU

The Germans are getting fed up with the EU and multiculturalism. They have been sacrificing, working hard just so the Greeks can retire early. The Germans have made the hard choices in terms of cutting social benefits. Merkel and the CDU have been taking a beating because of the bailouts. The Germans are not happy campers and will not see the country go down to save the EU regardless of how much pressure they get from the Frecnh. The Euro has proved to be a failure for most of the smaller countries who lost a tool to help them deal with their economic problems.

Germans are well trained to follow the leader. They should stick to cars cooking, beer, and wines,, all of which they are very good at.

Your remarks are laughable and show no real understanding of Germany and its people. Germany is the economic engine of Europe. It has come out of the worldwide recession better than the US. Merkel did not buy into Obama's stimulus crap and she was right. In fact almost all of the major countries in Europe are in better shape than the US in terms of unemployment and growth.

68 posted on 07/31/2011 9:47:32 AM PDT by kabar
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To: skimbell
The Tea Party knows that:

1) raising taxes will slow down the growth of the economy or even reverse it.
2) compromising with evil is a victory for evil.

69 posted on 07/31/2011 9:50:56 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: skimbell

We’re not a democracy you dumbasses, we’re a republic. The myth that we’re a democracy came into play during the 20th century; fostered by our national socialist democrat party and their propaganda press.


70 posted on 07/31/2011 9:54:01 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: old curmudgeon
But the Tea Party is opposed to compromise, that lubricant of all legislative bodies. They practice a form of democracy, but in its rawest, most aggressive form.

Yes, the Germans loved Neville Chamberlain

71 posted on 07/31/2011 10:02:56 AM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: skimbell
I apologize. I couldn't read past the third paragraph. I was becoming nauseated. I will not let some POS, European socialist/Marxist tell me how to run this FEDERAL REPUBLIC. Das ist eine dumkoft. Just because he likes his life in socialism is no reason I would want to. Hey, Herr Dinkleberry, go bail out another southern European socialist country that is unwilling to work when they have rich friends like you to support their lazy arses.
72 posted on 07/31/2011 10:06:42 AM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: kabar
Germany is the world's second largest exporter with $1.120 trillion exported in 2009 (Eurozone countries are included). Exports account for more than one-third of national output.

Yeah and they exported a lot of engineering and construction expertise to Saddam in helping him build his rocket and chemical warfare arsenal. If you don't believe me, check out the facilities they built for him at Al Kindi, just north of Mosul. Guess they just couldn't help themselves, it part of the DNA make up.

73 posted on 07/31/2011 10:09:13 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa ((Hope is not a course of action))
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To: eaglesiniowa

PS. You can Google Earth the site, thank God we kind of fixed it for them, hehehe, lots of smoking holes and craters and blasted out chem labs. Got a nice view of it when i was on the ground, you could still see all the little German placards on the tunnels and buildings congratulating themselves for building such a nice death factory.


74 posted on 07/31/2011 10:13:51 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa ((Hope is not a course of action))
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To: kabar
I don't understand the need to criticize the entire country because you disagree with one German's opinion.

You're not obligated to understand. We have a difference of opinion. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Neither should you. We've both had our say. Let's move on, shall we?

75 posted on 07/31/2011 10:27:19 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: DesertRhino
Yeah,, but those parties are all slightly different flavors of the same socialist ice cream.

You mean like the difference between Democrats and Republicans? There are differences of opinions and that is why coalitions are need to govern. The Greens have grown in power. And yes, there is a basic consensus on what the role of government should be and what services should be provided. What is your point?

They are a socialist nation that has rejected their violent side, yes. But they are among the most virulent socialists on earth.

Their violent side? How many wars/armed conflicts have we been in since WWII? So who cares if they are "virulent socialists?" Do they have a free society? Are the people there supportive of the political system?

Most Germans i knew felt nothing but disdain for republicans,, and they look at TEA as literally an American Nazi party. Politically, germans are so screwed up, that they cannot see Obama as a budding Hitler if he could only figure out how to pass an enabling act.,

Gee, I wonder how they could have come to that conclusion? Have you been watching any of the Congressional debate on the debt ceiling? The Dems are calling the Tea party members terrorists holding the country hostage, radical extremists, and racists. The Black Caucus accused the Tea Party of spitting at them and calling them the N word at a rally I happened to have attended. Is it any wonder that the rest of world is buying this nonsense?

Obama has long lost his glow in Germany. They now know he has feet of clay. They certainly did not agree with the Libya adventure nor his spending strategy. My wife and daughter are in Germany now. The Germans don't view Obama as a leader. They are disappointed in him. Hope and change has not materialized.

Whats weird, is the way they and other euros are always obsessing over America. Americans don’t know when they have an election, and i bet 10 out of 100 know the name of their current leader. Yet, they prattle on endlessly about us, our government, claim to be experts of the constitution, etc. They are like creepy stalkers looking in the hot cheerleaders window, (thats us),, and she doesn’t even know they exist.

It matters plenty when US taxpayers are bailing out European banks. The Fed has provided trillions of dollars to insulate them from the worldwide economic meltdown. If/when the US goes down, we take the rest of the world with us.

And also,, he was BORN in 75. He knows nothing of the road we are headed down. He was making mudpies when we paid the late 70s and early 80s interest rates. He has no idea what hell Obama is leading us into. He never looks at today and says, “hey, this is a lot like Carter,,,only worse”. So like most of his country and the EU,, and like MOST of his generation here at Harvard,,he needs to SFTU and observe. He isn’t qualified to opine.

We are watching the US welfare state implode. That is what is really happening. Government can't fulfill the promises it has made to the people. The chickens are coming home to roost. You don't need a Harvard degree to figure that out.

76 posted on 07/31/2011 10:33:31 AM PDT by kabar
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To: eaglesiniowa

When were the facilities built and exactly what did the Gernmans provide? We provided Saddam with intelligence during the Iran-Iraq war. The Israelis have been selling arms to the Chinese.


77 posted on 07/31/2011 10:42:12 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Judging from the construction and intel, post Gulf War and well maintained and updated pre-2003 when we blasted the bunkers and lab facilities. What they provided was an extensive and well constructed interconnecting tunnel system, self sealing labs, hoisting cranes and motors, rocket testing rail systems, facility rail, multi-story blast bunkers, rocket fuel chemicals and all nicely wrapped up with brass placards naming the various German companies providing the engineering, construction and materials. I will have to search thru my photos to see if i happened to take any of the placards and then figure out how to paste them here. My tour was 4 years ago, so my memory of the specific companies has faded without referring to any photos i may have taken. Trust me, my attention was directed on more immediate concerns than on a bombed out facility. BTW, i am ethnic German having come from the old country and i thank my lucky stars that i am a naturalized American and know my duty is to uphold the oath i took. I enjoyed my various tours in Germany, but never really cared for the regimentation of German life. God Bless America and protect her from the ravages of this regime and its sycophants.


78 posted on 07/31/2011 11:09:17 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa ((Hope is not a course of action))
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To: skimbell

It could have used a barf alert.


79 posted on 08/14/2011 7:38:17 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: eaglesiniowa

Thanks for your service to our country, and for putting in perspective what our “betters” in Euroland write.


80 posted on 08/15/2011 9:14:54 AM PDT by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)
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