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Rick Perry and Mitt Romney showcase a Republican divide
Los Angeles Times ^ | August 20, 2011 | By Paul West, Washington Bureau

Posted on 08/21/2011 4:18:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: HerrBlucher
I know they like each other but from what I have seen of Perry, and I voted for him 3 times, he will go after her record if she jumps in.

Right now Palin enjoys her followers and interviews on Hannity and Greta.

How can she say Obama shouldn't tax oil companies or all natural resource companies and share the wealth when she did it herself and has justified that through the Alaska Constitution (of course 'big oil' got hit but not her own husbands industry of commercial fishing. Is that not an Alaska resource?

61 posted on 08/21/2011 7:21:50 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rick Perry and Mitt Romney

Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.

62 posted on 08/21/2011 7:22:23 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In the long run spritzing perfume on the rotting elephant really won't make that much difference.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Neither of those posers matter after September 3rd.


63 posted on 08/21/2011 7:24:41 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: BlackElk
Thank you. That's really nice for you to say. It makes me happy to get this information out there. I'm not sure which piece you mean, so I'll post this and then a shorter composite to links.

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CW: We've been dealt a hand here in Texas (and if you've read my threads you know much of this) where we have a federal government that has not answered the call to protect the 1250 border miles Texas shares with Mexico. Gov. Perry does not believe a fence is the answer to illegals crossing the U.S.-Mexican border. He believes conservative ascendancy will. So we do the best with what we have ($100M/yr of our own state money put up to help secure an international border). We have a lot of crime to combat and pay for because of the illegal activity (drugs, human smuggling and trafficking) generated by an unsecured international border.

We can't refuse to educate or give health care, as everyone in every state is faced with the same situation, but since Perry is a border gov, he's held responsible for illegal aliens, where everyone vents their frustration about the problem using him as a whipping boy (and to make political points and take pot shots). Perry's asked for drones (went to Israel and asked how they protect Gaza Strip), has asked for 3000 people here on the TX border (crickets). Perry has set up an elite Texas Ranger unit to work on the border. Then we find out the Feds have been "running guns" across the border and we've had people killed because of that.

The Texas Dream Act was set up because we have a lot of kids here from the way the feds have allowed this to snowball. Students who have been in Texas for 3 years and graduated from a Texas high school get instate tuition (no benefits -- they pay their way) The entire Texas Senate voted for this in 2001. (The Texas Dream Act does NOT have all the hidden goodies the U.S. Congress "Dream Act" was trying to get into law.)

Perry has said: “If you show up illegally, without your card or you’re here as a criminal element, I’m for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy — we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that.”

The Texas legislature meets every 2 years for 140 days and the governor is allowed to call Special Sessions. He called a Special Session because he had put "sanctuary cities" on the agenda and the legislature dropped the ball -- but the Senate and then the House left again -- giving Gov. Perry nothing to sign (Texas legislators also have elections they'll be facing and no doubt didn't want a vote on this shadowing their re-election bids).

In this just ended session, after about 3 tries to slip it into a bill, a law that required people to show their birth certificate to get a drivers license got through [The amendment, added by Rep. Jim Pitts, R-Waxahachie, to the education funding bill legislators needed to balance the state budget had originally been included in Senate Bill 9, the so-called "sanctuary cities" bill that failed in the special session. It also had appeared in an omnibus homeland security bill by Sen. Tommy Williams, R-The Woodlands, that died in the regular session......By putting it into law the state potentially undermines an ongoing lawsuit that argues DPS doesn't have authority to check legal status.]. However, the ink on that law was barely dry before it was overturned by a judge – as usual.

In this last Texas Legislative session Gov. Perry signed the Texas Photo ID Voting Law -- it took 6 years to get it through -- Only 6 states have a PHOTO Voter ID requirement.

Texas has a long history with Mexico and being "Mexican" does not mean that you aren't an American, or a Texan. A lot of Texans have Mexican heritage or are married to someone who does. Perry doesn't lead with his chin. He's a thoughtful man.

Rick Perry is as ready to fix this as anyone and understands it probably better than anyone running -- or commenting anonymously on a chat site.

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The buzzing bees of anti-Perry activists with their "Gardasil-TTC-Border" mantra will only continue to highlight and enhance a Gov. Rick Perry nomination as truth of his work here in Texas gains national exposure. Rick Perry as governor, used all resources at his disposal in an attempt to make a cancer vaccine available to Texas children. The governor is battling environmentalist activists in his push for more transportation infrastructure in a state exploding with commerce and population. And using state resources, Gov. Rick Perry (denied the necessary and requested federal help needed by a border state to deal with the consequences of current federal inaction, in addition to shouldering the continued fallout from past federal actions) works to hold the line on the 1250 mile section of the U.S. border between Texas and Mexico, our neighbor to the south.

64 posted on 08/21/2011 7:24:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Diogenesis
Lol! Thank you. 2.1 million in Houston and 6 million in the metropolitan area. Alaska has 710,000 in the whole state.
65 posted on 08/21/2011 7:25:40 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

disinformation for the californicate.


66 posted on 08/21/2011 7:27:04 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: normy

Well I doubt it, but we will see. If we think FR is hot these days wait till Palin gets in, I think it will be the hottest it has ever been. However, one very hot and zottable issue that won’t be an issue with Perry v Palin is abortion, they are both strongly pro life.


67 posted on 08/21/2011 7:27:36 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: HerrBlucher
they are both strongly pro life

Well, other than the fact that they both think it's "up to the states" like Gerald R. Ford.

68 posted on 08/21/2011 7:32:49 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In the long run spritzing perfume on the rotting elephant really won't make that much difference.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Perry doesn’t, I am not sure about Palin.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/08/rick-perry-states-rights-constitutional-amendment-abortion-/1


69 posted on 08/21/2011 7:36:52 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Another HUGE reason the Bush Clan does NOT like or support Rick Perry....THEY CAN’T CONTROL HIM...he is his own man with a nice independent Texas streak...the Bush Clan are Yankees...if they can’t control then they take their toys and go home.


70 posted on 08/21/2011 7:37:01 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
On another thread, you posted a link to a most informative and comprehensive article refuting the usual charges against Rick Perry. I found it quite enlightening and balanced. You should post that link on many other threads. It is the answer to his critics.

I have not chosen among Perry, Palin and Bachmann. It will come down to one of those three for conservatives. There is no hurry now to make a choice. Let each show his or her wares and let each bash Comrade Obonzo as he needs to be bashed. When the time comes for voting in primaries, and the small fry candidates have been eliminated, we of the conservative movement should urge and attain maximum feasible unanimity behind the best candidate of the Perry, Palin and Bachmann to avoid the embarrassment of the Taxachusetts flip flop artist or the rolling eyes and spinning beanie propeller of paleoPaulie.

Rick Perry is very fortunate to have your persistent support and efforts here. It makes a difference. Perhaps our nation will be likewise fortunate. One way or another, Obonzo must go and must be vanquished by a candidate for the babies, for marriage, for guns and against taxes and Romney/Obonzocare, a candidate "clinging to guns and Scripture" who will do mostly for the ordinary citizen.

God bless you and yours.

71 posted on 08/21/2011 7:37:13 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: Diogenesis

Regarding your map which superimposes the state of Alaska over the lower U.S.:

If this graphic is supposed to mean something about Sarah Palin I don’t get it.

Alaska grew at the slowest rate seen in eight decades and remained the least densely populated state in the nation during the 10 years that ended April 1, according to the first batch of data published by the 2010 U.S. census.

The 2010 census lists Alaska’s population at 710,231 people.

Texas’ 2010 census lists its state population at 25,145,561 people.


72 posted on 08/21/2011 7:38:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BlackElk

God bless you and yours BlackElk.


73 posted on 08/21/2011 7:41:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Condor51; freeangel; ixtl; in_tense; sickoflibs; rabscuttle385; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup; ...
Would that all would all ponder the words of FReeper Jim Noble WRT Perry.

INSIGHTFULLY POSTED BY JIM NOBLE: I have no doubt that Perry is a globalist, until he convinces me otherwise.

1) Like it or not (and, as a Palin fan, I have to deal with a lot of things I don’t like), “Texas” will be made a HUGE negative in the campaign. The Bush disaster is what Obama and his handlers want to run against. Perry, fairly or unfairly, hands them this on a silver platter.

2) Perry and Romney are more alike than dissimilar. Both are running on the premise that a dying system can be revived, if only THEY are running it. Rather than agitating for “hope and change”, they are trying to assure conservatives that it all can work, when it can’t.

3) This election will be more like 1860 than anything else. The old ways are dying and cannot be preserved. Perry’s appeal to conservatives is an illusion - we will either move towards a global citizenship and a global currency, or smash globalism once and for all and restore the American economy and real, constitutional money.

74 posted on 08/21/2011 7:42:14 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: HerrBlucher

He’s tweaking his positions now, with handholding by NRTL.

But he already said it.

Now, he advocates an amendment.

He’s playing both sides of the fence.

Perhaps he should just try following the Constitution’s explicit imperative existing requirements.

“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.”

“No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”


75 posted on 08/21/2011 7:43:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In the long run spritzing perfume on the rotting elephant really won't make that much difference.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I thought I lost #59 and re-posted at #71.

The article you linked summarized about 12-15 objections to Perry and his policies. I have a graduate student daughter in Texas who really dislikes Perry over Gardasil. I believe that the article you linked included that he had acted in its favor without full information and, having heard from parents and other social conservatives long and hard, he reversed his position and demonstrated that, unlike Obonzo or Romney, Perry knows how to listen and is not afraid to apologize for his infrequent mistakes.

76 posted on 08/21/2011 7:46:50 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: Liz

Thanks, Liz (blush).

I still like the Mayor, though...


77 posted on 08/21/2011 7:59:21 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: hocndoc

The power vacuums (little time bombs) created by Obama (intentionally in my view) in all government departments, as well as his refusal to be a strong U.S. president in world affairs, is what is behind our rapid national decline (and growing chaos).

Obama’s “re-set” of America is giving other countries the opportunity to fill this vacuum — just as Obama and his czars have designed. The leveling of the global playing field, coupled with internal strife and unrest, will allow a speedier shift toward a more powerful centralized government with a crippled free market system.

This is a very, very dangerous time — and not just for the U.S. but for the entire world.


78 posted on 08/21/2011 8:11:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Liz; Condor51; freeangel; ixtl; in_tense; sickoflibs; rabscuttle385; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup

And to again reply to “Jim Noble”:

“Texas” will not be a “HUGE negative” — OBAMA is the HUGE negative.

Perry and Romney are NOT alike and it seems only pro-another candidate posters want to say something so patently false.

This election will be more like 1980 than anything else.

You wish Perry’s appeal were an illusion but quite obviously it is not, and your comment about him being a “globalist” is just so much campaign pap for your fellow (my candidate isn’t Perry) posters.


79 posted on 08/21/2011 8:16:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
"....The cultural differences, more notable for the scarcity of policy distinctions among the Republican candidates, mirror divisions within the GOP electorate and even its dominant conservatives."

Let me translate. Obviously, the lack of policy distinctions shows that the GOP electorate is united on policy. So united, that the RINOs and establishment hacks have to lie to maintain even minimal credibility. The issue for the GOP electorate is determining, who's telling the truth, who believes in the policies and who's actually going to implement the policies. That's the divide. How to weed out establishment backstabbers, who implement the liberal, big government policies. Some how the posers end up at the top of the GOP all the time. This time, we don't have the patience for this cr*p.

80 posted on 08/21/2011 8:20:12 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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