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Experiments Show Gravity Is Not an Emergent Phenomenon
MIT Technology Review ^
| 08/24/2011
| Staff
Posted on 08/24/2011 2:52:57 PM PDT by Red Badger
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I've been saying this for years..........;^)
To: Red Badger
all I know is that life would be b-—tch without it.
To: the invisib1e hand
Basically what they are saying is that gravity is not a ‘force’ it’s an ‘effect’.............
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posted on
08/24/2011 2:56:52 PM PDT
by
Red Badger
("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
To: Red Badger
I thought were saying gravity is a force and the other guys were saying it's an effect. You know it's a force and I know it's a force but they didn't ask us.
To: Red Badger
Gravity is certainly no friend of my emergent phenomenon.
To: Red Badger
Even in the Garden of Eden which presumably was entropically regenerated from supernatural sources, something had to make sure that birds could fly but man and animals (and even that pesky serpent) remained firmly on the ground :-)
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:00:42 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
To: Red Badger
This should be obvious to anyone.
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:01:01 PM PDT
by
smokingfrog
( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
To: Red Badger
I wrote my thesis on this...1985....no big deal...
To: Red Badger
the effect of this redistribution looks like a force which we call gravity
Then May the Force Be With You
Hope I posted it before someone else....
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:06:10 PM PDT
by
NorCoGOP
(Obama's approval ratings: so low that Kenyans now accuse him of being born in the USA)
To: Red Badger
>> Basically what they are saying is that gravity is not a force its an effect.............
No, if I’m reading it correctly, there’s a camp that believes it’s an “effect” (emergent, not a traditional force) and a camp that holds that it’s a traditional force.
Each side has (different sets of) equations that describe how gravity ought to behave, but actual measurements of neutron gravity agree with what the “traditional force”
equations.
Therefore gravity IS a traditional force and NOT an emergent “effect”.
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:06:18 PM PDT
by
Nervous Tick
(Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
To: Red Badger
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:06:37 PM PDT
by
MNDude
(so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
To: Red Badger
I am surprised that Verlinde didn’t look into this himself. Oopz.
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:08:15 PM PDT
by
Paradox
(Obnoxious, Bumbling, Absurd, Maladroit, Assinine)
To: the invisib1e hand
>> all I know is that life would be b-tch without it.
Maybe so, but a little less of it on Moving Day would be cool. :-)
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:09:01 PM PDT
by
Nervous Tick
(Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
To: Red Badger
Attributing gravity to quantum coherence or ergodic effects has never really been anything more than a quantum duck (quark! quark!).
We're stuck: that's all there is to it. Pretending we're not stuck by claiming gravity is an emergent phenomenon is not helpful.
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:09:05 PM PDT
by
FredZarguna
(The power of the greatest rock band of all time--now a crack legal team. Coming to ABC this fall!)
To: Red Badger
This causes matter [to] distribute itself
Gravity has sentience? And will?
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:10:50 PM PDT
by
newheart
(When does policy become treason?)
To: Red Badger
Hunh?
Title: Experiments Show Gravity Is Not an Emergent Phenomenon
From the article: Instead, it is an emergent phenomenon that merely looks like a traditional force.
Must be one of those spooky Quantum mechanical sentences.
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:11:03 PM PDT
by
glorgau
To: Nervous Tick
yeah. it’ll be great when there’s an iPhone app for that.
To: Sacajaweau
You must have had an interesting Defense...
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:11:23 PM PDT
by
FredZarguna
(The power of the greatest rock band of all time--now a crack legal team. Coming to ABC this fall!)
To: MNDude
>> me not understand :(
Don’t sweat it. Just rearrange the jargon into meaningful English sentences and no one will ever know. You might even get offered a postgraduate research grant!
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:11:50 PM PDT
by
Nervous Tick
(Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
To: Red Badger
I thought for a while that gravity is an effect of time distorter do to the oscillating motion of matter (remember the faster you go time slows down)
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posted on
08/24/2011 3:11:53 PM PDT
by
tophat9000
(American is Barack Oaken)
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