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Self-Defense Against a Violent Flash Mob
Human Events ^ | 08/30/2011 | Bruce N. Eimer, Ph.D

Posted on 08/31/2011 3:27:45 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: mad_as_he$$

George Washington was that guy, as well.


41 posted on 08/31/2011 4:28:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: wolfcreek
Load the first 5 rounds with nonlethal ordinance and the last 10 with OO buckshot. If the first 5 don't get their attention......the last 10 will.

Nonlethal ammo is expensive and wastes magazine capacity.

Even nonlethal ammo can kill. Read the warnings. If you use it you might have to explain why you killed someone you only wanted to scare. Good luck with that.

There is no such thing as shooting to wound, or shooting to get their attention. You shoot to stop the perp. Usually, a properly placed load of 00 buckshot will suffice.

And there is no "i" in ordnance.

42 posted on 08/31/2011 4:29:27 PM PDT by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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To: yarddog

WEB Griffin goes into Mr. Fairbairne in his early The Corps novels where the main character is staioned in Shanghai before the war.


43 posted on 08/31/2011 4:30:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: FreedomForce

If you order you may be waiting awhile for that new shotgun. I am still waiting for my order to fill at Impact on the Keltec PMR 30, the new .22 mag. In Oct it will one year since I ordered it. I think I’m now up to #18 out of 280 on the backorder list.


44 posted on 08/31/2011 4:31:18 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: neverdem

Bear spray?


45 posted on 08/31/2011 4:35:23 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes Fairbairne was an interesting and from what I have read, a likeable character.


46 posted on 08/31/2011 4:36:03 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Makes the FN FiveSeveN look a WHOLE lot
more reasonable.


47 posted on 08/31/2011 4:41:21 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: wolfcreek
Load the first 5 rounds with nonlethal ordinance and the last 10 wi.th OO buckshot.

Firstly, there is no such thing as "nonlethal" shotgun rounds. Rock salt or rubber rounds may still kill or cripple. Being in a situation which justifies shooting means that you should be in a situation which justifies deadly force.

Secondly, in a riot situation, you may need every round to get out in one piece.

48 posted on 08/31/2011 4:43:50 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: MHGinTN

You can get the Kel tec sub 2000 in many different brands and calibers now.

I have the Glock 19 version.

It is lot of fun to shoot.


49 posted on 08/31/2011 4:45:05 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: SkyDancer

I don’t know, that keltec looks nice hah.


50 posted on 08/31/2011 4:45:42 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: neverdem

Then you have places like California where you are not allowed to carry. You’re only options are to break the law or self-jail yourself in your home.


51 posted on 08/31/2011 4:45:48 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: ROTB

I like the customized guitar case - lots of possibilities there. As for the contents... well, I’m not interested in airguns at the present time - even ones as “tacticool” as that.


52 posted on 08/31/2011 4:46:24 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: cayuga

You did read the article, right?


53 posted on 08/31/2011 4:48:22 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: headsonpikes

Probably no way legally, but: saw off barrel, saw off stock, tie rope around gun, put loop in rope and hang off shoulder, wear raincoat. Easy and effective. I knew a cop who almost got killed by a guy with this set up.


54 posted on 08/31/2011 4:55:12 PM PDT by suthener
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To: headsonpikes

I have a dual pistol grip Winchester and that is exactly what I carry it in.


55 posted on 08/31/2011 4:55:29 PM PDT by Eaker ("If someone misquotes you, it's because they know you're right.")
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To: PapaBear3625

A BB gun can kill a person but, you guys and your dramatics... Sometimes it’s NOT all out war.

Sometimes it’s a bunch of unarmed kids or a dance mob and you freak out.

Ya’ll didn’t read the article.


56 posted on 08/31/2011 4:56:06 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: neverdem

Great article, thanks for posting!


57 posted on 08/31/2011 5:01:14 PM PDT by Kolb (Compone Accomoda Supera)
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To: neverdem

Rapid fire paintball gun.

Non-lethal but hurts like you know what.

Plus it looks pretty if you toss in the multi-colored balls.

:)


58 posted on 08/31/2011 5:05:57 PM PDT by thatjoeguy (Wind is just air, but pushier.)
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To: wolfcreek
Sometimes it’s a bunch of unarmed kids or a dance mob and you freak out.

A bunch of teens can kill or cripple you without need of actual weapons. Watch the Reginald Denny incident on youtube. For a dance mob, you would not be pulling anything out in the first place.

59 posted on 08/31/2011 5:06:08 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: wolfcreek
You did read the article, right?

Well...I thought I did, but I seem to miss a lot these days.

That Kel-Tec shotgun has been on my buy list, but it will be loaded with tactical buckshot and slugs.

I guess I still don't see any use for nonlethal shotshells. I stand willing to be corrected.

60 posted on 08/31/2011 5:17:06 PM PDT by cayuga (The next Crusade will be a war of annihilation.)
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