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Why Are US Army Soldiers’ Pants Breaking ?
gizmo ^ | 09/01/11

Posted on 09/01/2011 9:41:14 AM PDT by george76

It seems their pants—which are completely new and supposed to be more durable than previous models—can't survive the rigors of the desert. They're ripping apart seemingly at random.

The new pants seemed perfectly fine. They use tightly stitched flame-resistant Defender M fabrics and Christian at Kit Up! says their "crotch design" is fine! But they can't survive up to the daily life of Army soldiers, and they get ripped right, left and center. The problem is so bad that the Army had to get back to select a new fabric, 40% stronger than the current material.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: army; armyfatigues; military; usarmy

1 posted on 09/01/2011 9:41:17 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Probably made in China.


2 posted on 09/01/2011 9:42:51 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: george76

Eat MREs all day.

Then you`ll see why.


3 posted on 09/01/2011 9:43:11 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: george76
Sounds to me like the fabric has been damaged.

I wonder if they treat the pants with some sort of chemical?

4 posted on 09/01/2011 9:43:48 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: george76

To make up for the Marines who aren’t permitted to break wind.


5 posted on 09/01/2011 9:45:12 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: george76
The problem is so bad that the Army had to get back to select a new fabric

That's an extremely gay sentence...

6 posted on 09/01/2011 9:45:12 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: george76

The real reason for the anti-farting order discussed earlier in the week finally revealed!


7 posted on 09/01/2011 9:45:19 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: george76

Are they trying to say something about Obama and the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell?


8 posted on 09/01/2011 9:46:31 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: george76

Years ago...many years ago, Made In USA meant something; today, stuff is made for one thing only—SALE! (And, this includes repeat sales)

No more made to last; no more tough and best money can buy...for sale and that’s it!

If the merchandise survives getting it home from the merchant...and assembling it, that in itself is remarkable.

That’s the name of dat tune!


9 posted on 09/01/2011 9:47:46 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: george76
I had some nice sets of Cyre Precision multicam uniforms while I was working in Afghanistan as a contractor. Not cheap, but they're still tip-top after plenty of abuse.

The uniforms the Soldiers were issued were some lowest bidder crap. Much worse quality than the ACUs, which aren't exactly famed for being resilient either.

This all gets back to the Global War on Fashion. The Army is completely in the grip of too many generals sitting on too many panels, all fighting to make their next star and get set up for when they retire. The ACU was a dismal failure, and their efforts to move on past it are schizophrenic and random.

As to the pants falling apart, you get what you pay for. It's unfortunate that this endless uniform infighting results in less money for what needs to be purchased, so they skimp on the quality. But much, much better stuff is available.

10 posted on 09/01/2011 9:48:05 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: george76

Shouldn’t this be in “Breaking” News?


11 posted on 09/01/2011 9:51:11 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Steel Wolf

I’ll bet you $5.00 when the suits come looking to cut money (because of the swell Boehner/Obama Debt Ceiling deal), this is where they’ll squeeze more savings, while continuing to buy $600 toilets and coffee pots that will brew a cup of joe at 10G on the bombers.


12 posted on 09/01/2011 9:56:11 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: george76
"I hate the idea of soldiers fighting on the battlefield and getting a big rip on their pants just at the wrong time and place."

Not to mention another problem: DADT repealed

13 posted on 09/01/2011 9:57:01 AM PDT by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: george76
"The problem is so bad that the Army had to get back to select a new fabric, 40% stronger than the current material."

I hope they use the Bluefly.com accessories wall wisely!

14 posted on 09/01/2011 9:58:54 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Eat MREs all day.

You are right. We ate them during Katrina and I was noticing the caloric count - wow - especially the deserts - loads of sugar for energy! Anyway, not bad tasting but if you are not going to work off the calories I can see how you could gain on 3 squares of MREs a day.

Anyway, China is the answer and I lock it in.


15 posted on 09/01/2011 9:59:38 AM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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To: george76

Whats coming apart? The stitching or the material?

Find that out and solve the problem.


16 posted on 09/01/2011 10:04:48 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: george76

If history is any guide the fabric failure is due to fraud in filling the clothing contracts. Many years ago my Uncle Reported that when he was in the Army in WWI their shoes disintegrated at the first rain in France. Government contractor fraud is an old story reaching back to the Revolutionary War, the Civil War etc. In a Democracy it is cash flow that counts; honesty and concern for the country are meaningless concepts.


17 posted on 09/01/2011 10:09:00 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

The more things change... the term “shoddy” originally referred to a type of cloth made from reprocessed wool. It held up fine when dry, but easily tore when wet. During the War Between The States uniforms made from it would fall off the soldier’s bodies after a march in the rain. The term lingers to this day.


18 posted on 09/01/2011 10:17:33 AM PDT by Mountain Troll (My investment plan - Canned food and shotguns)
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To: Mountain Troll

Interesting! Thanks.


19 posted on 09/01/2011 10:20:56 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: george76

When the Army issued BDUs there were thin summer weight uniforms and thicker winter weight uniforms. I was stationed at Ft. Bliss and even though it was blazing hot I always wore winter weights because they held up much better.

Nowadays, there is only on summer weight issued.


20 posted on 09/01/2011 10:21:01 AM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: george76
They need to buy a bunch of "Diamond Gusset" jeans....they won't rip apart..

....and are 100% made in USA...

21 posted on 09/01/2011 10:23:15 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: george76
Carhartt!


22 posted on 09/01/2011 10:29:28 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: B.O. Plenty
Filson Tin Pants.
23 posted on 09/01/2011 10:40:24 AM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: george76

I wonder if the wealthiest nation on earth could treat our volunteer soldiers any worse?


24 posted on 09/01/2011 10:45:42 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: george76

I’d look at bid rigging and some quality control payoff issues. QC inspectors at the point source should be checking out the strength of the material and the construction of the pants. Someone is not doing their job.


25 posted on 09/01/2011 10:50:34 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: george76

Funny— I was just talking to my husband about this last night on Skype (he’s over in the sandy box.) Michael Yon had some pictures of these pants on soldiers posted so I asked hubby about it. My husband said that the material is terribly thin and after only 3 months his pants have holes in them also.


26 posted on 09/01/2011 11:19:25 AM PDT by Mrs.O'Strategery
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To: vetvetdoug

Did the crotch and armpits ever rot out? I remember during TET, when having problems connecting with a shower point for a month, my jungle fatigues started falling apart. I also had crotch rot to my knees and smelled like a goat, the things we do for our country.


27 posted on 09/01/2011 11:23:50 AM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: george76

The Soldier Systems Center at Natick redesigned the uniforms a few years ago. Quality does not appear to have been in the program manager’s vocabulary for those projects. The program manager, a quarter master type, got promoted. The combat soldiers have their uniforms fail.

Note: Few people who have experience with the U.S. Army thinks quartermaster types are good for anything except stopping stray bullets.


28 posted on 09/01/2011 12:58:34 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Duval Patrick is a coward. Explain yourself on The O'Reilly Factor, you creep!)
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To: george76
They're ripping apart seemingly at random.

Or are they ripping apart randomly at the seams?

29 posted on 09/01/2011 1:00:15 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (FREE YOUR BREASTS! FREE YOUR MIND!)
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To: george76

Our Muslim overlords are not amused. US soldiers showing their butts to Muslim superiors? At least they are not farting.


30 posted on 09/01/2011 4:19:16 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: george76

In related news, politicians’ pants keep spontaneously catching fire. A cause has not yet been determined.


31 posted on 09/01/2011 6:36:07 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Liberty Valance

Great for Alaska, but might be a little hot for the sandbox.


32 posted on 09/02/2011 8:15:46 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: george76
We Need Better Pants
33 posted on 09/02/2011 8:23:41 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: george76

Pants on the ground?


34 posted on 09/02/2011 8:25:28 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: fightin kentuckian
"I was stationed at Ft. Bliss and even though it was blazing hot I always wore winter weights because they held up much better."

Yeah, that "rip-stop" crap sucked.

35 posted on 09/02/2011 8:30:10 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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