Skip to comments.How Sharia Undermines Western Justice (with Addendum)
Posted on 09/05/2011 8:34:27 AM PDT by bayouranger
Wife-battering imam of the Darul Quran Mosque in Munich, Sheikh Abu Adam, is the face of Germanys Islamic "Justice. Adam gave a lecture at the citys Catholic University entitled "An Islam which distances itself from violence, shortly before being arrested (12/10) for allegedly assaulting his spouse so violently that she suffered a broken nose and shoulder and numerous cuts and bruises. Media reports claimed the woman, who has borne one of his ten children, wanted to live a more "western lifestyle, and was allegedly attacked by him after expressing this wish to her husband. The icon of Germanys Islamic parallel Islamic "justice system, Sheikh Adam, purportedly shouted Koran 4:34 at his wife as he beat her. [for eg., Shakir translation: "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great]
Yale Assistant Professor of religious studies Eliyahu Sterns 9/2/11 NY Times op-ed ("Dont Fear Islamic Law in America) vilifies those who seek fair, rational legislative remedies to the encroachment of Islamic law (Sharia) in America as, "stigmatizing Islamic life. Sterns vitriol is directed specifically at SB 1028, a bill which was recently passed by the Tennessee General Assembly, and includes this straightforward language regarding Sharia:
This bill defines "sharia as the set of rules, precepts, instructions, or edicts which are said to emanate directly or indirectly from the god of Allah or the prophet Mohammed and which include directly or indirectly the encouragement of any person to support the abrogation, destruction, or violation of the United States or Tennessee Constitutions, or the destruction of the national existence of the United States or the sovereignty of this state, and which includes among other methods to achieve these ends, the likely use of imminent violence. Under this bill, any rule, precept, instruction, or edict arising directly from the extant rulings of any of the authoritative schools of Islamic jurisprudence of Hanafi, Maliki, Shafii, Hanbali, Jaafariya, or Salafi, as those terms are used by sharia adherents, is prima facie sharia without any further evidentiary showing.
Michael Nazir Ali. was the first Bishop of Raiwand in Pakistans West Punjab (1984-1986), who emigrated to become the initial non-white diocesan bishop in the Church of England. During September 2009, he gave up his English Bishopric to work full-time in defense of beleaguered Christian minorities, particularly within Islamdom. Nazir Ali has authored Islam: A Christian Perspective (1984), Frontiers in Muslim-Christian Encopunters (2006), and From Everywhere To Everywhere (2009).
Contra Sterns distressingly uninformed polemics, Nazir Ali offered these scholarly and experience-based observations from his adopted Britain (8/7/11), which support Tennessees eminently reasonable legislative solution.
To understand the impact of Sharia law you have to look at other [i.e., Islamic] countries. At its heart it has basic inequalities between Muslims and non-Muslims, and between men and women. The problem with Sharia law being used in tribunals [in Britain] is that it compromises the tradition of equality for all under the law. It threatens the fundamental values that underpin our society.
Author and veteran television journalist Joachim Wagner has just published his analysis of the parallel Sharia-based Islamic "legal system burgeoning in Germany, entitled Richter ohne Gesetz ("Judges without Laws). Consistent with Nazir Alis assessment of the deleterious impact of Britains Muslim "tribunals, Wagners alarming investigation summarized in English during a two-part Der Spiegel serieselucidates how what he terms "Islamic shadow justice undermines Germanys Western constitutional legal system, ultimately abrogating even German criminal law.
The parallel, indeed superseding application of Sharia within Germanys Muslim community is a widespread, dangerous phenomenon according to Wagners research.
As far as I know, very prevalent. There are no reliable statistics, since these mediations take place almost exclusively in secret. But criminal investigators who specialize in organized crime and violence within Muslim immigrant families have confirmed for me that in nearly every conflict in this milieu, the first attempt is to find a solution outside the German justice system.
These arbitrators try to resolve conflicts according to Islamic law and to sideline German criminal law. We see witness testimony withdrawn (from German courts) and accusations trivialized to the point where an entire case runs aground. The justice system is "powerless, partly because it hasnt tackled the problem vigorously enough.
Sheikh Abu Adam, wife-battering, polygamist imam of the Darul Quran Mosque in Munich, illustrates the tragic, dangerous perversity of Germanys tacit acceptance of Sharia as a "communal alternative legal system.
A Munich-based arbitrator, Sheik Adam maintains that it is a religious duty to mediate among the Muslim faithful. The imam, who lives with three women, and in accord with classical Islamic understanding, believes Islam is an all-encompassing theo-political ideology, described to Der Spiegel how he applies his Sharia-based legal method.
He invites both parties to visit him at the mosque, listens to both sides, and ultimately has them sign a peace treaty. The important thing, he says, is not whos right and wrong, and evidence is no particular helpthe important thing is to find a compromise. In nine out of 10 cases, the people respect his decision, he says.
Adam added unabashedly, despite ignoring accusations of running a shadow justice system,
My judgment is fairer than the governments. I tell my people, dont go to the police. Well take care of this conflict among ourselves. Im making less work for the police.
Sheikh Adam gave a lecture at Munichs Catholic University entitled "An Islam which distances itself from violence, shortly before being arrested (12/10) for allegedly assaulting his spouse so violently that she suffered a broken nose and shoulder and numerous cuts and bruises. Media reports claimed the woman, who has borne one of his ten children, wanted to live a more "western lifestyle, and was allegedly attacked by him after expressing this wish to her husband. An icon of Germanys Islamic parallel Islamic "justice system, Sheikh Adam, purportedly shouted Koran 4:34 at his wife as he beat her. [for eg., Shakir translation: "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great]
Sheik Adams abusive (if Koran-sanctioned) misogyny (and polygamy; see Koran 4:3), notwithstanding, there is no debating that his defiant rejection of Western evidentiary methods for establishing legal truth (and right versus wrong) reflects mainstream, Sharia-based jurisprudence. Joseph Schacht (d. 1969), arguably the pre-eminent 20th century Western scholar of Islamic law, made these salient observations about evidence and legal proof according to the Sharia, in his classic "An Introduction to Islamic Law:
The emphasis of the Islamic law of procedure lies not so much on arriving at the truth as on applying certain formal rules If both parties produce evidence, the number of the witnesses produced by each, beyond their minimum number, is irrelevant. There is no examination of the witnesses, or the likelihood of their testimony being true [I]n cases concerning hadd punishments (i.e., defined by the Muslim prophet Muhammad either in the Koran, or the hadith included: (lethal) stoning for adultery; death for apostasy; death for highway robbery, when accompanied by murder of the robbery victim; for simple highway robbery, the loss of hands and feet; for simple theft, cutting off of the right hand; for "fornication, a hundred lashes; for drinking wine, eighty lashes) the evidence of women is not admitted, and in the case of zina ("fornication) four male witnesses are required (notably. if a woman claims to have been raped!) the dhimmi (non-Muslims vanquished by jihad, and living under Sharia jurisdiction) cannot be a witness, except in matters concerning other dhimmis
Clearly, Sharia "standards which do not even seek evidentiary legal truth, while sanctioning explicit, blatant legal discrimination against women and non-Muslims, are intellectually and morally inferior to the antithetical concepts which underpin Western law.
The late Kirsten Heisig, a juvenile court judge in Germany, underscored a year ago, the inevitable consequences of relegating legal decisions to Muslim arbitrators such as Sheikh Adam:
The law is slipping out of our hands. Its moving to the streets, or into a parallel system where an imam or another representative of the Koran determines what must be done.
Moreover, Joachim Wagners "Judges without Laws documents judges and prosecutors recollections of threats toward public officials and systematic interference with witnesses. For example, Stephan Kuperion, a juvenile court judge in Berlin, noted "We know were being given a performance, but the courts are powerless. And Federal public prosecutor Jörn Hauschild provided this ominous warning: "It would be a terrible development if serious criminal offenses in these circles could no longer be resolved. The legal system would be reduced to collecting victims.
Wagner himself made this astute diagnosis of the current predicament to Der Spiegel, and proffered an uncompromising interim resolution:
Theyre [German public prosecutors and judges] overwhelmed, because they dont know how to react. Theyre in the middle of a legal case, and suddenly theres no evidence. Eighty-seven percent of the cases I researched either were dismissed or ended with an acquittal when Islamic arbitrators were involved.
Prosecutors need to investigate Islamic arbitrators more intensively. If they had done so sooner, the arbitrators would have been convicted of obstruction of justice long ago. And certain lawyers need to stop behaving as if they were mere servants to a parallel justice system. They allow themselves to be directed by their clients desires, regardless of truth and justice. And finally, my plea would be for judges to hear witnesses earlier, which would reduce the arbitrators influence.
But Wagner is keenly aware of the more profound, fundamental incompatibility of Western law, and Sharia, the latter being,
Very foreign, and for a German lawyer, completely incomprehensible at first. It follows its own rules. The Islamic arbitrators arent interested in evidence when they deliver a judgment, and unlike in German criminal law, the question of who is at fault doesnt play much of a role.
Nearly six decades earlier, Robert H. Jackson, an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court (19411954), who also served as the chief United States prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials, made these more expansive, complementary observations in his foreword to a treatise on Islamic law:
In any broad sense, Islamic Law offers the American lawyer a study in dramatic contrasts. Even casual acquaintance and superficial knowledgeall that most of us at bench or bar will be able to acquirereveal that its striking features relative to our law are not likenesses but inconsistencies, not similarities but contrarieties. In its source, its scope and its sanctions, the law [i.e., Islamic Law, Sharia] of the Middle East is the antithesis of Western Law Islamic law, on the contrary, finds its chief source in the will of Allah as revealed to the Prophet Muhammad. It contemplates one community of the faithful, though they may be of various tribes and in widely separated locations. Religion, not nationalism or geography, is the proper cohesive force. The state itself is subordinate to the Quran, which leaves little room for additional legislation, none for criticism or dissent. This world is viewed as but the vestibule to another and a better one for the faithful, and the Quran lays down rules of behavior towards others and toward society to assure a safe transition. It is not possible to separate political or juristic theories from the teachings of the Prophet, which establish rules of conduct concerning religious, domestic, social, and political life. This results in a law of duties, rather than rights
Joachim Wagners modern study has lead him to conclude that even the ostensibly limited application of Sharia arbitration within Germanys Muslim community nullifies the states Western conception of legal justice.
The problem starts when the arbitrators force the justice system out of the picture, especially in the case of criminal offenses. At that point they undermine the state Islamic conflict resolution in particular, as Ive experienced it, is often achieved through violence and threats. Its often a dictate of power on the part of the stronger family.
Past as prologue to the present, application of the Sharia has obviously negative societal repercussions, for both Muslims and non-Muslims. How this undeniable truth somehow escapes the mental and moral calculus of Western Sharia-apologists such as Yales Eliyahu Stern is astonishing, and reveals the frightening, delusively self-righteous cultural relativist mindset of the American academy. If Stern was truly desirous of protecting the unique Western freedoms many Muslim immigrants to the US cherish in common with non-Muslim Americans, he would applaud the Tennessee state legislatures bill SB 1028, instead of condemning it.*
The mystical beliefs of some does not justify violating the right of others to criticize Sharia law
Aww, a lovers’ spat.
The roots of Western law: the common law and equity which which was derived from reasonable and sincere efforts to find justice by linking man's laws with the higher eternal and divine laws. Aquinas, Coke, Blackstone and others helped in these efforts.
The roots of Sharia law: the Quaran written by a false prophet and child molester named Mohammed. Blackstone said an unjust law IS NO LAW. Sharia law is unjust and Satanic in its origins.
Answer: The mystical beliefs of some does not justify violating the right of others to criticize Sharia law
That's right. What's more, God's way is for us to PROVE ALL THINGS and hold fast to that which is good (I Thessalonians 5:21). Satan's way is BLIND OBEDIENCE. Sharia law is Satanic through and through.
Americans are into the notion of strength through diversity, egalitarian outcomes... Confronting people with this stark contrast to Western law and culture actually is rejected by the ignorant masses (no real perspective or understanding of what they are dealing with) that are secular (no understanding of religion organizing society). You essentially have to treat people like they are idiots and move them a little in your direction, a full dose of reality like this simply gets buried or discarded.
Food for thought. Part of my boldness is the conservative audience here on FR who I think ought to be able to take a full dose of reality. The truth to the listening ear is a wonderful thing.
1.Enslave and Rape the neighbors Woman.
2.Steal Loot and plunder.
And so on.
How Could one Ever make sense of that Insanity?
Sorry, IMHO, number one should be, Kill the Infidel!
“Sorry, IMHO, number one should be, Kill the Infidel!”
Shariah is an interwoven religious, political and legal philosophy. As written in the Quran, Shariah is the law of Allah. Any other form of government is a sin. It is the duty of every Muslim to keep striving until all governments have been converted to Shariah law.
Islam will be at war with the non-Islamic world until the whole world follows Shariah law.
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Watch this: "Three Things About Islam." 8:10 long. Very educational.
Read this: 10 Myths About Islam
Download this: "Shariah, The Threat To America, An Exercise in Competitive Analysis". 177 pages that will give you a full understanding of how Shariah is affecting the United States.
I assure you, upchuck, you’re going to keep posting that for some time because there are a large # of FReepers who are unaware of what sharia law means to the US and how it plans to usurp the Constitution through PCness.
Thanks for the kind words.
Shariah is a genuine threat to the US. Few people understand that.
I don’t like it when FReepers spam threads with the same stuff over and over. So I try and post this only on related threads. Even then I worry that FReepers will get tired of seeing it.